Klopp seems to be getting more and more ‘Mourhino’ with his post-match comments when he doesn’t get his way.
There was nowt up with the first goal. It was just badly defended and the challenge on Henderson was never a red card ina million years.
They lost to a better side on the day. Simple as that. Baseless moaning about refereeing decisions (a la Maureen) just looks churlish
Klop has always talked a load of shite, and like Mourinho has got away with it because of his charm, and also like Mourinho I think people are starting to tire of it (obviously everyone tired or maureen a long time ago).
The first goal Alison punched Ogbonna on the way to knocking the ball into his own net, Alison is the only person who could or should have been penalised there. However the ref should have been called over to the monitor to look at that challenge on Henderson. I don't think it was a definite red because of the way Cresswell played the ball deflected him into a worse challenge than intended, but it was very close to a red. If a yellow had been given straight away, then it could be said not to be a "clear and obvious" error but with no card issued then var should be drawing the refs attention to it.
It is another of those where the var official isn't looking to correct errors but is looking for any excuse no defend the on field decisions.
Good weekend to keep the race for the top spot tight though.
Hmmmm, wouldn’t say Klopp is any worse/grumpier than normal after a defeat. Isn’t it straight out the managerial manual to blame the ref/VAR to deflect from a poor performance by one of your players?
Interesting how leaky Liverpool’s defence is despite having VVD back. Could be a good title race.
United had the ball in citys box 3 times and a total of 4 touches. Of those 1 was a header from a free kick.
I don’t think you need to be specific about touches in the opposition box, touches anywhere on the pitch must have been in single figures
Apart from De Gea. He had quite a few
We’re locked in mortal combat with Spurs to see who can go the most games without a shot on target. Unbelievably, they’re actually winning by quite a stretch
Really pleased to get Howe appointed at NUFC. A progressive, thoughtful coach who is tactically astute, a great man manager and has the support of most the fans. In other words... a bit of a change to the last fella. Now we've done the deal to get his backroom staff in the next appointment is arguably the biggest: Director of Football. A person Howe needs above him to take charge of signings etc. Rumours are it'll be Michael Emenalo (former of Chelsea and Monaco). These are foundations for the long term, not next week or indeed this season. We'll have a good chance of staying up if we spend well in January but if we don't, it won't be the end of the world. Howe-ay the Lads.
I was at the Amex Saturday and was chatting to a few of the Toon Army on the train home. They seemed fairly happy with Howe coming in. Hope it works out for you lot.
That was a strange game. We were awful but could and probably should have won it. Soft penalty against us (again) and Sanchez denied Wilson a certain goal. I think there needs to be penalty goals like in rugby for something so obvious like that or Suarez's handball in the 2010 World Cup. Brighton were miles ahead of us and it was good to see a fit Lallana pulling the strings. If you had a goalscorer you'd be comfortably top 6. PS: Can we have Lamptey please?
Not really a foul on Alisson for the first WH goal but could defo have been red for the tackle on Henderson.
Not really a fan of the whole 'stick a big guy right on the keeper to try and put him off' thing but Liverpool do it too and Alisson should be wise to it so I guess I can't really complain.
I'd rather have a manager like Klopp who is passionate - he'll often admit afterwards when he's got carried away. He's also suffered more than most from his players getting injured by bad tackles.
Comparison to Mourinho is a bit ridiculous.
Klopp did what Fergie used to do. Draw attention away from his player who was at fault so the headlines are about him, not about how poor Alisson was yesterday.
Can we have Lamptey please?
You can but it’ll cost you. Obviously money is not an issue for you lot now. I think he has his sights set a bit higher than where you are right now though.
Yeah it was a strange game, we did our usual of dominating a half but not taking our chances. Second half we just couldn’t get past your deep defence and you looked dangerous on the counter. We always struggle against sides that defend deep. Last season we didn’t beat any of the teams below us and think Newcastle was the only team around us that we managed to beat. We definitely look better against the sides that are more attacking.
As other say, Klopp is never happy in defeat, and he shouldn't be either, not a huge fan of managers or players being cheerful in defeat. As for the 'fouls', no chance for the Allison OG, and a yellow at most for Cresswell, he basically stood on the ball and fell over with a little tap of his studs on Henderson, the way they make it sound it's as if he went in over the ball, it was clear as day he stood on it.
As for Newcastle, it's going to be a long road to the top half i feel, they still appear to be having issues getting Howe's backroom staff in place, the same issue that stopped him taking over at Celtic, once that's done he needs to get something going and a plan for the January window, they're a long way down the pecking order for the top players, the worlds moved on since the days when Newcastle were able to get the top players, and most of the top teams now have huge budgets that Newcastle still can't compete with until they up their turnover for the financial fair play rules.
From the FA website.
Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off
Doesn't really matter whether he 'meant it' - still a sending off under the rules. Pretty clear imo.
Most sensible Newcastle fans know it'll be a long road to the top table. Most are just delighted Ashley and Bruce are history and pleased Howe (unlike Emery, Conte etc) isn't a 2 year manager and he's keen to build a legacy. Even if we could, it's pointless buying CL level players right away. Keegan didn't do it. City didn't. 4-5 solid prem level players like Sarr, Ward-Prowse, Tarkowski would be a great start. The current squad is better than position suggests. They are unfit and lack organisation. 2 things Howe will sort before the window opens.
Doesn’t really matter whether he ‘meant it’ – still a sending off under the rules. Pretty clear imo.
By the same token Jota should've been sent off for elbowing Ogbonna in the face. Then there was Salah's dive for the equalising free kick.
Funnily enough, Klopp didn't mention either of those.
Oh cool, whataboutery. You could maybe argue Jota's would come under the same rule but jumping like that doesn't seem anywhere near as reckless or likely to cause an injury AFAICS. Not sure how you are supposed to jump without your elbows being there.
The fact Ogbonna got injured or aggravated his injury was just bad luck really.
Oh cool, whataboutery.
Not really. I don't think that either incident was a red card, but if you're going to quote the rules, then let's at least have some consistency and apply them to both teams. Otherwise you risk looking as myopic as Klopp.
Bugger. Looks like Gerard is off to Villa.
Nobeerinthefridge
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Bugger. Looks like Gerard is off to Villa.
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And it looks like Pogba is out injureduntil January, them he’s off to … oh who cares?
Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out
And it looks like Pogba is out injureduntil January, them he’s off to … oh who cares?
Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out
This should cheer you up then Binners. Will it be Ed Woodward's parting gift to offer Pogba a massive contract?
Some of these players are definitely living in an alternate reality.
The soap opera continues.
I’d be interested to hear how his contribution on the pitch warrants an enormously paid new contract.
I’d say that it’s pretty much nailed on that he’ll get it and be free to swan about doing very little for another few years
It'll be interesting to see how Gerard gets on at Villa. Could be the perfect platform for the Liverpool job, could be a disaster. What's classed as success for them? I don't think their squad is as good as some make out but it's certainly not as bad as their current position.
So it looks like Mino Rioala will have Man U's pants down again. After the first move to Juve for free (when he was worth 10 of £m's), they paid £90m to get him back (of which Riaola received £27m from Juve apparently). Now he either moves back for free, having offered nothing like his identical twin who looks quite handy for Les Bleus, or he stays on for £500k per week and will continue to drift along, p*ssing Paul Scholes off for another few years. Tell him to b***er off and get Kalvin Phillips in.
I was thinking about this on the walk to work this morning after hearing various rumours - will we get to see the legend Murty back on the touchline if Gerrard does go?
My cousin's son plays with the under 10's & everyone absolutely loves him.
'tis done
From top of the league with guaranteed CL next year to relegation fodder and mid-table mediocrity at best... 🤷♂️ Just smarts a bit after all his talk of wanting to build a legacy and being happy and settled.
Still, he's not bigger than the club, so onwards and upwards. GvB looks like he could be a good option.
Yeah, he's obviously spoken with a few people down south though & a decent run at a mid-table premiership club might put him in a better place for the Liverpool job in the future than a few years at Rangers, even with the European football... could still be a gamble if initial results don't go his way & Villa end up in a relegation battle.
A few of my mates are hell bent on Gio - be interesting to see what transpires in the next few weeks!
I read somewhere else that the manager at St Johnstone had won more trophies that Stevie G over the same period, he must have a hell of a pr team to use that PL win to engineer this, he’s been very much a middling fish in a smaller pool.
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I read somewhere else that the manager at St Johnstone had won more trophies that Stevie G over the same period, he must have a hell of a pr team to use that PL win to engineer this, he’s been very much a middling fish in a smaller pool.
Well depends if you class 2 cups as better than a league. The St Js banter has been good though. 😆 Ultimately, my unbiased opinion of Gerrard is that he did eventually come good and done a decent job, he did put a good team together and you canny fault going unbeaten to win a title. Ultimately though he was very lucky, cause pre covid he was about 1 more loss away from the sack. Next season we just imploded.
I think he'll do alright down there. He's kinda learned his trade I guess, still a bit of a question mark there though. Guess it's all really a question of if he has learned his trade or not really. Not sure he'll he 2/3 years to put a team together down there. But converse to that is rangers did need a good few years to build something so I dunno if many would have done it quicker.
I think in his quest for the Liverpool job though, it's probably a good job for him, if he can get them up the table and challenging for europe, mibbe even on the edge of the top 6, it'll be better for his CV than staying at rangers. His stock had got as high as it ever was going to up here. I don't think winning another league and getting scudded about in the CL would have done him any favours down south rep wise.
Aye, a lot of people have been saying how we're looking at CL next season but in reality that's just £££, unless we got a highly favourable draw it would most likely be a horsing most games - Slavia ultimately made us look pretty ordinary after a string of great Europa League performances last season. The racist ****s.
Who're you hoping for next rangers manager? I think you'll get someone in quickly, doubt you'll want to delay if possible.
Seems to be a toss up between McInnes if youse are being sensible, financially, and one of the former Dutch contingent if Park has still got his hands in the pension pots? 😆
A few mates who know far more about football than me reckon GvB would be a good shout & so i'd be inclined to agree with them, maybe Rino Gattusso as a wildcard but I think we need some stability & no risky stuff - the league this year & CL £ is a must. Crazy outside bet - Barry Fergusson & Bob Malcolm double act to keep the loyalists happy with Coisty & Gazza randomly turning up to at training to show the team how to hit free kicks at each others bare arses for £100 notes.
hahaha 😆
It was always a stepping stone for Gerrard, he's not really grown up around it or have any ties, and scottish football is just a bland affair these days, even in Europe it's just trying to compete with similar second or third tier teams.
Villa are a decent enough team, with a good squad and aiming for mid-table, they spent a lot of money in the summer with the funds from Grealish and have a good pot of money left for the manager to spend.
argee
scottish football is just a bland affair these days,
Speak for yerself, Scottish fitba is class!
Murty, lol, behave!
The disappointing thing about him leaving is Beale et al going too, he's got a great team around him, openly admits Beale is the main man himself.
Barry n Boab Malcolm, eh, naw.
I haven't a clue tbh, GVB mibbe, don't know much about his coaching methods etc, I'd like to see Kevin Thomson at least as an assistant.
Gerrard would have been looking to leave Rangers at the end of next season anyway IMO and I guess this was too good of an opportunity to pass. It seems like his Liverpool links worked well at Rangers with loans and transfers but I can't imagine that will be the case at Villa and will he get backed in the transfer market.
It's a no brainer for him tbh, managers have to move while their stock is high, it's all in the timing. Villa are a potentially big club with cash, and he's been away from his wife n kids for 3 years now. I'd imagine their in Cheshire somewhere, so much closer to home.
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Nobeerinthefridge
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I’d like to see Kevin Thomson at least as an assistant.
why him seems a bit random?
He was in charge of the U18s, runs his own youth academy too, everyone has nothing but praise for him, and he's doing not too bad in his first proper job.
He does some commentary too, and I just really like the ethos he has on football, quite refreshing.
Normally I'd avoid the whole ex player merry-go-round tbf.
seosamh77
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argee
scottish football is just a bland affair these days,Speak for yerself, Scottish fitba is class!
I can barely watch it any more, when i had my season tickets it started with the likes of Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk, Cadete, etc, then we had the glory period with Larsson, Sutton, Petrov, Lamberts, etc, etc, i look at it now and it's a sad state, look at Celtic last year, i still can't believe we lost Rodgers to a top EPL side, and replaced him with bloody Lennon, a manager who had been sacked by Hibs, that's where we and rangers are now, scrambling around the B&M of football hoping to pick up a bargain we can sell on for profit
Nobeerinthefridge
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He was in charge of the U18s, runs his own youth academy too, everyone has nothing but praise for him, and he’s doing not too bad in his first proper job.He does some commentary too, and I just really like the ethos he has on football, quite refreshing.
Normally I’d avoid the whole ex player merry-go-round tbf.
fair enough, just no a name I was expecting to hear!
argee
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seosamh77
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argee
scottish football is just a bland affair these days,Speak for yerself, Scottish fitba is class!
I can barely watch it any more, when i had my season tickets it started with the likes of Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk, Cadete, etc, then we had the glory period with Larsson, Sutton, Petrov, Lamberts, etc, etc, i look at it now and it’s a sad state, look at Celtic last year, i still can’t believe we lost Rodgers to a top EPL side, and replaced him with bloody Lennon, a manager who had been sacked by Hibs, that’s where we and rangers are now, scrambling around the B&M of football hoping to pick up a bargain we can sell on for profit
Ah, i see, yer living in the past. 😆 Come back in, Ange is doing a fine job, fitba is good again. Long way to go still, but we're building again.
ps As for Lennon, we made the mistake of seeing him as more than a caretaker manager, shit happens. He did well continuing on from rodgers, but that's where we should have left it, hindsight though eh... But we've had it no bad in general i'd suggest over the last 20 odd years... (edit it I actually find in amusing/perplexing listening to some celtic fans at the minute, you'd think we hadn't won at trophy for 10 years. 😆 )
can barely watch it any more, when i had my season tickets it started with the likes of Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk, Cadete, etc, then we had the glory period with Larsson, Sutton, Petrov, Lamberts, etc, etc, i look at it now and it’s a sad state, look at Celtic last year, i still can’t believe we lost Rodgers to a top EPL side, and replaced him with bloody Lennon, a manager who had been sacked by Hibs, that’s where we and rangers are now, scrambling around the B&M of football hoping to pick up a bargain we can sell on for profit
I actually think both teams play far better football now than they did in the days of buying 'names', Hearts, Hibs and Dundee Utd are also playing some good stuff this season.
I wouldn't open my blinds to watch English football, rather watch the juniors.
When i saw a Celtic player having to climb over the boardings and over the fence to get the ball for a throw in i thought wow, scottish football is the real deal these days!
I think the EPL womens league has a higher level now than the SPFL ;o)
So England should've pumped us at the Euros....
Recent highlights of the Scottish game:
Also recent highlights of bbc's football coverage tbh...
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He won one trophy in a pub league and Celtic gift wrapped that one for him. I'd be pretty underwhelmed if I was a Villa fan.
He won one trophy in a pub league and Celtic gift wrapped that one for him. I’d be pretty underwhelmed if I was a Villa fan.
That's one way to look at it.
England v Albania, I've no idea how a game like this is entertaining. For once it would be nice if England had a mediocre group rather than a poor one.
Lol @ keano giving Maguire pelters for his celebration!
will Albania continue with the suicide press ?
That’s one way to look at it.
Doesn't matter how many ways you look at it, it's still one less win than Callum Davidson managed.
crazy games today!
now slab head is dismissed!
Being a ManU fan just now must be a dream!
4-1 - that'll be a P45 winging its way to OGS later today
But he has brought the united culture back to the club!
ooof! that gotta hurt
now slab head is dismissed
His family back in Easter Island will be ashamed.
Being a ManU fan just now must be a dream!
Oh, I don’t know. Its started to become weirdly compelling seeing just how bad we can get. Shipping 4 to Watford is a new low, but I suspect there could potentially be worse to come. We’ve got Chelski next week
We look a like a pub side. A really really bad pub side who’ve all been out on the lash on the run up to kick off
Slabhead excelled himself again. I suppose if you score against San Marino, you’re Billy Big Bollocks all of a sudden
However, if I did need cheering up, watching Arsenal trying to play it out from the back usually provides some comedy gold, and they’ve just obliged
Talksport just advised of an emergency board meeting tonight to pay Ole off and get Zidane in.
That would be the logical thing to do, so you can absolutely guarantee that the bunch of parasitic clowns who run the club definitely won’t do that
They’ll probably appoint Ronnie as player manager or something equally mental
I still think he just needs more time.
Just a minor blip, no need for knee jerk reactions. As you say, Ole just needs a bit more time.
I’m not sure Zidane is the best fit to be honest.
Liverpool putting Arsenal’s unbeaten run v lower and mid table sides into perspective.
I’m not sure Zidane is the best fit to be honest.
Agreed, he is an upgrade on Ole, but of the same mould, he will be much better equipped to deal with the players and stronger in standing up to them, dropping them hen they don't perform etc. But I don't think he has the tactical nouse to match up with Pep, Klopp and Tuchel.
Plus the word is that he doesn't want the job anyway.
Does Potch have a release clause?
Not much chance Arsenal were going to do anything at Anfield today, they're still a work in progress, still can't believe how poor Aubameyang and Lacazette are as a front two for Arsenal, through the middle they're just not strong enough, with too many players who are up and down.
As for Liverpool, they just have what others want, stability throughout, players who you know you'll get a performance out of 9 times out of 10, the only thing that'll knock them off course is injuries, they do have a pretty small first team compared to Man City and Chelsea.
You have to ask who on earth would want the job at the moment?
The club is a complete shambles
the only thing that’ll knock them off course is injuries
or the African cup of nations.
Yeah, not much of a short list from what i can see:
Zidane - Only ever managed Real Madrid, never had a rebuild or fresh start, never played in the EPL.
Rodgers - Having a bit of a bad time at Leicester just now, could possibly do a decent job, but a risk.
Gary Neville or Beckham - Could be the one to work!
Big Sam?
