[Closed] One down, a few more to go....

Who will replace her though?

Johnson - Brown will do it in an attempt to neuter his leadership aspirations.

And one of the Millibands will get Treasury after Brown realises how much Balls will cost him...

Johnson will never take the job.

Balls. (I know Brown wants him as Chancellor, but the rest won't stand for it. I reckon this is the compromise)

"one more"...what? MP? Labour MP? Expenses fiddling MP? Cabinet Minister?

[i]Johnson will never take the job. [/i]

I agree. But imagine what it owuld look like if he was asked and he was turned down. It will be like getting rejected by the ugliest girl in school 🙂

Oh, BTW heard of Phosphorescent? Listening to an album of his: Pride. Right up your street I reckon

[i]It will be like getting rejected by the ugliest girl in school[/i]

😆

What a state they're in...

[i]phosphorescent[/i]
Nope, not heard.
Ta, shall put it on my list. Was going music shopping today anyway - been playing with Spotify and Music Roamer lately.

[i]What a state they're in... [/i]

Ghastly, isnt it.

As I saw one commentator write the other day "The Left just dont have the killer instinct when it comes to getting rid of Leaders who have become liabilities. They just havent had the practice of the Tories".
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Shave her head and tatoo SCUM on her forehead. Boy, when I rule the world there are gonna be BIG changes... 😈

Never seen a government collapse so spectacularly, I am at the age now where I can really appreciate it. Quite fascinating to see them fall on eachother.

[i]Phosphorescent[/i]

top stuff

bit Bonnie Prince Billie but with less (but not much) beard

For those of us for whom politics is a genuine interest (as opposed to the rubbernecking and wailing headlines of the day) it feels like we are coming up to a wonderfully dramatic endgame over the next few days, culminating, I think, with a Leadership challenge on Monday after an apalling result for Labour in the two elections.

You know, I'm not sure I'll manage to stay really irritable after Jacqui pisses off. No-one else annoys me to the same extent. Even if Balls gets the job I think there might be a honeymoon period in which I will give him the benefit of the doubt. 🙂

I reckon you're right there, Stoner. But, the question is, who would take the job on? Much as Darling was royally shafted when he took on No.11, surely whoever leads New Labour in to the next general election is on a bit of a hiding to nothing?

Please not Alan Johnson for Home Secretary. Not that murdering swine. Even less for PM. I hope they find something shady in his expenses, I really do.

You want irritation?
You, Balls, small room, and a new policy announcement from him.

More irritating then a dose of the clap.

[i]Please not Alan Johnson for Home Secretary. Not that murdering swine. [/i]

eh? what did I miss?
Did the Postman knock twice or something?

Losing count now, That's Hoon, Darling, Blears, Smith, (cabinet) all apologizing and paying back. Hughes, Hewitt and Chaytor resigning at the next election.

he'll run out of choices. Can't see either of Millibands or Balls being taken seriously though. Nick Brown back in?

I reckon Charles Clarke might be in with a chance now 🙂

nickc, there's always Blunkett to bring back in.

If you'd pitched this to a comedy channel, they'd have dismissed it as too far fetched!

But, the question is, who would take the job on? Much as Darling was royally shafted when he took on No.11, surely whoever leads New Labour in to the next general election is on a bit of a hiding to nothing?

the similarities between this and the never ending story of England's football managers (probably a far more important topic to some) has a strangely satisfying irony to it

What's with the "murdering swine" comment?

The worrying thing for me is the *post* of Home Secretary.

Ever since the 1980s every home secretary appears to have been taken into a room and had their soul removed so they then come out and become the most fascist swine since, well, the last one. Throughout the tories and now labour I cannot remember a single home secretary that I thought did a good job or stopped to even think about what they were doing, in the name of 'knee-jerkedness'.

A pox on all their houses. Whoever takes over, even if it was Jesus or the Buddha would turn into a rabid b*stard after their inauguration!

@Stoner - Johnson was the man who blocked private payment for extra cancer drugs unless the patient paid for all the stuff the NHS would otherwise have administered free if the patient hadn't been having the extra drugs.

Socialist murderer.

I cant see Charles Clarke shagging Ulrika Johnson or Nnacy Delolio can you?

Blunket on the other hand...
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cheers Julian. Didnt realise that, and I agree its an illogical policy. Hasnt it been reversed though?

We need an inspired selection, like when Margaret Beckett was made Foreign Secretary.

I cant see Charles Clarke shagging Ulrika Johnson or Nnacy Delolio can you?

oh you mean the Italian mode of politics, seems to work for them !

All becomes clear, thanks for that. Daft policy.

"Il Duce" for Home Secretary! I like it! 🙂

Hi Stoner. Yes it has now been reversed thankfully, but my disgust towards a person who is prepared to kill (or at least let others die) for their socialist policies remains.

Stoner - Member
"Il Duce" for Home Secretary! I like it!

Meanwhile, across the Channel, Sarko's laughing at us all saying, "Moi? Je suis boffing une supermodel, zut alors!"

There can be few people who have ever held high office who are not "murderers" by such a generous definition.

"Corporate Manslaughterers" doesnt have as good a ring to it BD.

Julian - you mean the chap who backed up the NICE judgement that said these drugs were too expensive and were of little benefit?

Now NICE does not do these things lightly. One years herceptin for one woman = 10 hip replacements = one kidney transplant etc etc.

100 women will have to take herceptin for one to have their life extended by 6 months.

The shameful thing was he bowed to pressure from the tory press and the drug companies to allow these very expensive and ineffective drugs to be prescribed at such huge cost that other services have to be curtailed.

BigDummy - Member
There can be few people who have ever held high office who are not "murderers" by such a generous definition.

Having read your post three or four times I think I see what you are getting at but would you care to expand on that?

[i]The shameful thing was he bowed to pressure from the tory press and the drug companies[/i]

oh you mean the British/American mode of politics?

TandemJeremy - Member
Julian - you mean the chap who backed up the NICE judgement that said these drugs were too expensive and were of little benefit?

Completely wrong, TJ. I mean the man who refused to let patients pay for THEIR OWN Herceptin / [insert name of appropriate drug] unless they also paid for ALL their drugs - the drugs which were being given free to patients who couldn't, wouldn't or didn't want to pay for any extras.

[i]who is prepared to kill (or at least let others die) for their socialist policies remains[/i]

Granted, the (thankfully, reversed) decision to deny treatment to "top-up" patients was inhumane. But doling out marginally efficacious - and hideously expensive - drugs is an issue rather more complicated than soundbite politics...

By comparison, remember [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/jun/17/health.medicineandhealth ]this[/url]?

Julian - disease kills people. A nationally funded health policy which involves the allocation of limited resources to treat people who have diseases does not, and its proponents certainly don't murder anyone. But I agree that the policy against topping up was not an attractive one. However, we are veering off topic rather.

I think there's some people who have missed Julian's gripe.

It is not about the realtive cost-benefit of a particular drug and it being funded by NHS money, but the penalising of those who wish to pay for additional medication by withdrawing their right to free base medication that would normally be available to any NHS patient.

A socialist attempt to prevent the creation of a two-tier healthservice [i]within[/i] the NHS. Bringing the market to the NHS with such scale was their Pandora's box. They should live with it.

[i]However, we are veering off topic rather.[/i]

Indeed, BD. Now, what of the poisonous Blears? 😈

Julian - got you slightly at a tangent. I still believe very strongly that allowing them to buy their own drugs to top up NHS treatments is very wrong.

1) You have never in the past been allowed to do this as it leads to 2 tier care - the principle of the NHS is "all without favour"

2) it is a con - these are vulnerable people being conned into spending huge sums of money on ineffective "cures"

3) the NHS will have to pay for the treatment of the side effects.

Sorry Julian - you are wrong. Not one life has been saved by these drugs and never will be - they simply mean it takes you longer to die. If NICE says these drugs are inneffective thats good enough for me.

[i]poisonous Blears[/i]

Toxic hamsters!

Can we go back to how vile a person Margaret Beckett is, please?

The way she treats her security detail as personal servants is utterly shameful. And she has a caravan, yet more reason to loath her.

Another MP has said they're off as well, I gather, Tom Watson,

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AS for the OP - its not a party political matter - indeed the Tories are worse - far worse.

We should loose half the MPs we have and there should be criminal prosecutions

TJ -

the principle of the NHS is "all without favour"

That argument is rather undermined by the geographical variation in both drug and treatment provision.

is that because he bought a Segway on expenses as the walk form the chauffeur rank to the chamber was 'a bit tough'

AS for the OP - its not a party political matter

and the OP hasnt made it a party political matter.

Im talking about the Cabinet and the government unwinding like a slow motion car crash.

mrmichaelwright, having seen the man in person in some of the finer dining establishments of Westminster, I can confirm that he likes his pies.

Watching fat people eat is strangely fascinating.

Stoner - yes, two different issues. But bound up in many ways... unfortunately. 🙁

Stoner - Member

AS for the OP - its not a party political matter

and the OP hasnt made it a party political matter.

Im talking about the Cabinet and the government unwinding like a slow motion car crash.

Now, now, Stoner, you know full well that the demise of the current government is all the fault of the Conservatives. In fact, surely Thatcher is to blame? And, before I forget, everything in Scotland is perfect.

😉

Im talking about the Cabinet and the government unwinding like a slow motion car crash.

It's a bit like watching that video of the rolling rally car the other day, but in slow motion, and the car is full of ostriches, and every time it rolls another ostrich comes flying out, and as each ostrich hits the ground it starts whooshing like a catherine wheel, and all the orange penguins who are watching the crash come running out with brooms and try and put the ostriches out by hitting them with their brooms, but the brooms just catch fire and the penguins panic and start rolling around on the ground surrounded by exploding ostriches as the car rolls on and on spewing out ever more ostriches.

mrmichaelwright, I am deeply touched. 🙂

CFH - now now!

I don't think either Rudeboy of I could blame this on Thatcher - oh maybe - her grasping me first mentality affected them?

At least the Scottish parliament sorted out a similar expense scandal.

BD - still makes me spit my coffee out every time I read it

I was wondering why she might grasp you first....?

dominatrix fan are we TJ?

[i]"Things are so bad that Susan Boyle has rung Downing Street to check that Gordon Brown is OK."[/i]

[url= http://iaindale.blogspot.com/ ]blatantly pinched[/url]
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Stoner - Member
"Things are so bad that Susan Boyle has rung Downing Street
to check that Gordon Brown is OK."

Coffee/Keyboard Interface Error. 🙂

Thank you Stoner, you put my point more eloquently than I.

Sorry Julian - you are wrong. Not one life has been saved by these drugs and never will be - they simply mean it takes you longer to die. If NICE says these drugs are inneffective thats good enough for me.

I wasn't suggesting that a life had been saved by these drugs, rather that it was wrong to allow people the option of taking something that may extend their life if they wished to pay for it.

I assume from your second sentence that you take the utterances of every official body as true then?

As for paying to study the side effects, you can't argue it both ways. If there are going to be side effects surely the person will have to live longer for them to become apparent? If they are going to die, do the side effects matter [i]that[/i] much?

This is on a different level, obviously, but paying for extra goes on elsewhere: I heard a story that only basic wheelchairs were handed out at a certain place, but if you were prepared to make up the [i]extra[/i] cost ON TOP OF THE BASIC PRICE you could have an upgrade.

Besides, life is two- (or more) tier - those who have money can have more things than those who don't. Simple.

And when Tony Blair came to power, he banged on relentlessly about ending sleaze in politics. 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

there are some real haters on here!

there are some real haters on here!

Well earned hate!

Ed Balls and the poison dwarf also have allowances questions over them, if our Glorious Leader appoints either of them (or retains them) his claims for cleaning out the Augean Stables at Westminster will not hold water.
It's horrendous and un-missable stuff.

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You "hater" Rudeboy! 😆

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RudeBoy iz H8r

(I'm so street, sometimes)

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Balls isn't happening as Chancellor, didn't he admit to regulation cock-ups whilst at the Treasury? Mandelson would spit feathers...

people want low taxes yet an infinately funded nhs

get real people

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Yes, we get the fact you find it boring. Isn't it time for your afternoon nap?

Ah, but RudeBoy, think of the glee with which you would attack the topic were it to be a Conservative cabinet in this much of a cluster****!

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