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The roads here are fine in the end no real need for anything mental (don't tell the locals)
Depends which roads 😉
I doubt the Mitsi will pull 3 Tonnes - they're limited to 2.8T here in Oz (and seem to struggle with that!)
Most pickups are actually around the 2.2-2.8T capacity actually, so you are quite limited. IIRC, can't cherokees pull horses?
Navara Double Cab is 2.6T, which is enough for our 2T boat and trailer.
Also, don't know any [u]standard[/u] 4x4 that would make you look like a chav?.
Diahatsu Fourtrak.
A blunt instrument but very effective!
Another Mitsi L200 owner here.. the tow limit is 2700kg.
tbh If its horses, just buy her a 3.5t van-based Horse Box instead.
We got a Ducato based one a couple of years ago. Far easier than messing with towing and you can leave everything inside. Like this:
http://www.pembrokeshire4x4.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?urn=650
Cheap tax/insurance and low depreciation. Plus perfect MTB carrier and pit-bus.
Just about to say same as b r.
For 2 horses, buy a second hand lorry.
How about a VW Toureg? Not chavy, comfy, and (if my very quick google search is to be belived) has a towing capacity of 3.5t - I seem to remember a Top Gear episode where one of these pulled a 747, or a combine harvester...
Two decent size horses you'll need a big 4x4 and not a pick up. Good towing practice is to keep below 85% of the tow vehicles weight... Regardless of what figure the manufacturer says the vehicle can pull in a straight line on a dry test track.
You don't want something that slews all over the road when a lorry overtakes you on the motorway - been some nasty accidents with horseboxes under such circumstance.
If you want to tow 3.5t with a 4x4 you have very limited choices.
Vw touareg,
Mercedes M class,
Land rover Discovery 3/4,
Range rover,
Range rover sport.
Despite the unreliability that can occur (not always) with a discovery there is a reason they keep getting awarded best 4x4 by caravan magazines.
For 3t it's either a landie or a ford ranger. I'd go for the ranger
I can't stop giggling at the photo of a Pick-Up truck with a bike rack on the back.
I think that sums up missing the point.
I would go with a Series IIA but that's simply for nostalgia not practicality.
despite being a big fan of the green oval from a legacy point of view. and a hater of VW after a bad experiance.
unless i could afford a full fat brand new rangey and could afford to trade in every 3 years.
id have the touareg out of the lot , my colleagues v6 touregs a much nicer place to be and much less garish and in your face than my other colleagues RR sport.
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and a smaller horse, rated at 2500kg's (even the California 4 motion)
I've picked up a Shotgun Sport was looking at L200s but though a car was better for storing day to day stuff in out of sight.
I'm well please can get 2 bikes in with the front wheels off but just got a maxxraxx ( http://www.maxxraxx.co.uk/products.html ) for the back so more of us can go out at the same time and stops getting all the S%&* in the car after a ride. 😀
Trailer I want to be able to tow: http://www.iwt.co.uk/products/livestock/ta510?tab=details
Only allowed to tow the small 750kg ones at the moment though 🙁
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Older vw touareg can pull 3.5t (not so sure about the latest version). Proper 4x4 with low range, diff lock, etc. can't say mine has been the most reliable car I've owned though...
Nissan pathfinders/navarras are one of the most reliable trucks on the road.
Not sure what a Land Cruiser will pull, but that would be my first choice if I really needed another big 4x4.
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I'd not given the touareg a thought but that would be a nice bit of comfort after the denfender and anything would be more reliable.
I need to check exactly how much weight the box and animals come too
With the defender it did no matter to much as it rated to 3.5t so loads of margin
I tried to get her a lorry rather than trailer but she wanted the defender
Maybe a newer tdci 110 is the answer
oooft if anything its older 300tdi you want not a tdci ... puma engines awful and the box isnt much better
orangeboy
The old 7.5t lorries can be naff, but our Ducato is more like driving a car, and +30mpg (laden or unladen - doesn't seem to impact it).
We got it rather than upgrade her car, as while her current Freelander will (and can) tow a box + 2 horses (and all the associated gear), its a bit marginal in hilly terrain. The van has compartments to carry saddles and all the tack plus a wardrobe and changing area.
Plus, and its a big plus, can be driven by anyone with a car licence.
What's worse is used I have a master that got sold to buy the rover
Should have just converted that. Oh well
Thought you could not use a freelander for a box plus two horses legally
freelander can legally only take slightly over a tonne - although i watched a fella pass me towing a disco 1(just over 2 tonne) on a transporter trailer with one .... was a scary looking manuver.
[i]Thought you could not use a freelander for a box plus two horses legally [/i]
Lightweight trailer and 2 slim lads (ie bloody expensive horses!), but I use to warn her if she got pulled onto a weighbridge she'd need to do 'favours' 🙂
Towing capacity of 2 tonne.
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[url= http://carpages.co.uk/kia/kia-sorento-30-09-06.asp ]Kia Sorrento? Mate has one for horse box towing duties[/url]
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-reviews/kia/sorento/24886?page=3
Cool thanks all. You have been great as always
Like I said before, towing capacity not the same as stability... 85% rule is never factored into towing capacity figures. You do not want a trailer and two horses over turning on the motorway. Or any road for that matter.
Kia Sorrento is only 2500kgs.
Ford F250 - for towing and any other heavy-duty business.
Ford F150 Lighting - for shits n giggles
Nissan pathfinders/navarras are one of the most reliable trucks on the road.
Well, that being the case, I dread to think how poor the other makes are. Our works Navarra spends most of its time in the garage. Same goes for the ones at other sites according to our fleet manager.
freelander can legally only take slightly over a tonne - although i watched a fella pass me towing a disco 1(just over 2 tonne) on a transporter trailer with one .... was a scary looking manuver.
Freelander 2 tows 2 tonnes braked
oooft if anything its older 300tdi you want not a tdci ... puma engines awful and the box isnt much better
Depends whether you're after a tractor, or a more modern fuel efficient and far more torquey engine. Having driven a 300, TD5 and Puma, I'm glad it's the Puma they now make
Low down grunt is not the td5 strong point
Even worse as ours is an early one with very poor anti stall
On the plus side it has to be the least depreciating car I've ever had and
Been very impressed with the stability of the 110 for towing
I actually meant to put navaras are the most unreliable trucks on the road 😀
Our company bought about six, two of which self destructed, the rest have been nowt but trouble.
Most Jap stuff doesn't go beyond 3t.
Replace enough bits and you'll eventually have a reliable LR, although if you're not too far down the line just trade for another and hope that aint a lemon too. Early TD5 had really bad throttle response too, crap for pulling out juncctions loaded.
110 far better tow than 90, especially if it has heavy duty springs.
I run a 130 at work, TD5 was fine, replaced with 2.4TDCI, different but still good + decent heater. Spends plenty of time towing around wood, diggers, tractors, implements and up to its sills in muck.
Got a new hi-lux at work, piece of crap couldn't pull the skin off custard and the caddy van is better in a wet grassy field.
andyl - get a twin axle rather than a triple if you need to manouvere in tight spaces, triples scrub and twist badly in small yards, IWT do most things to 3.5t.
I remembered seeing this a little while ago, a V10 Toureg doing a bumper pull with a Chevvy V8 Duramax, redneck pickup:
Lol I'm a fair way down the " on going rebuild" path
Maybe an engine conversion is the answer
International 2.8 seems to get good press
Google is a curse somthimes , look enough and you am alway find complaints about things