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More sugar taxes and advertising bans are the bare minimum now
As already stated we're going to need a new Health Secretary before there is any chance of that.
Also worth noting that any kind of higher or new tax is not a vote winner - especially if it relates to things that people really enjoy and see as a pleasure in life (no matter what the health consequences) - so wouldn't hold your breath on a change of government making any difference.
Health warning on food, would be good.
At least a better "traffic light" system, that allows green lights on unhealthy food because a couple of macro guidelines are met.
Treat food packaging and advertising like tobacco.
Increase school budgets for healthy meals for kids, make all school meals free, remove the sugary snacks and drinks from schools. I know that some moronic parents will be passing chippy dinners through the railing for their offspring, but I think the majority would be pleased with such policies.
When I first started reading "ultra-processed people" I thought the inclusion of marketing and corporate culture into the definition of ultra processed foods came over as misplaced and ranty. But on reflection it is a huge part of the problem that impacts on our diets in so many ways, and it is right to be part of the narrative even if it feels like a separate topic.
I am trying to eat a lot healthier and i try to fit in a few walks each day. I had eaten lunch but decided to do another 2-3km walk just to get some steps in which took me past B & M. Nipped in to get a chocolate bar (i work on calorie counting and tbh i was well in credit).
It was shelf upon shelf of either HUGE bars of chocolate for £1.50. Really, family size bars at best or packs of 4 like KitKat chunky for £1.50. I honestly could not find a Single normal sized bar. Ended up coming out with 4 x KitKt chunky bars and had to give the other 3 away as soon as i walked into work because i guarantee if i had kept them, i would have eaten 2/3/4 today.
Something needs to be done to force them to stop this.
Health warning on food, would be good.
Anything that puts the onus on individuals to take responsibility for the fact that we all live in a wildly unhealthy environment because: profit. Is going to be as successful as putting the calorie count of items on menus. (i.e. will make no difference)
At least a better “traffic light” system, that allows green lights on unhealthy food because a couple of macro guidelines are met.
Agreed - and manufacturers need to be stopped from saying that such-and-such product is only x% of your salt, y% of your fat and z% of your sugar allowance for the day if you only eat half of the contents of the packet of whatever it is you've bought – its misdirection and people are easily fooled into thinking they are eating a relatively healthy option when they are not.
I am trying to eat a lot healthier and i try to fit in a few walks each day. I had eaten lunch but decided to do another 2-3km walk just to get some steps in which took me past B & M. Nipped in to get a chocolate bar (i work on calorie counting and tbh i was well in credit).
It was shelf upon shelf of either HUGE bars of chocolate for £1.50. Really, family size bars at best or packs of 4 like KitKat chunky for £1.50. I honestly could not find a Single normal sized bar. Ended up coming out with 4 x KitKt chunky bars and had to give the other 3 away as soon as i walked into work because i guarantee if i had kept them, i would have eaten 2/3/4 today.
Something needs to be done to force them to stop this.
I disagree. Unless your local B&M is very different to mine, it is not exactly a local sandwich shop that you'd pop into for a sandwich and a diet coke at lunchtime so I wouldn't expect them to sell singles of anything. They sell multipacks at a good price.
Is your suggestion that nothing is sold in multpacks as you cant help eating the whole pack? If so, I hope you never walk into a Costo.
"just one wafer thin mint?"
Cars must be one of the biggest differences when comparisons are made with my childhood in the 80's to now. Most families I knew either didn't have a car or only had one per household. On my road now there is 2-3 cars per house some even more. There are so many satellite towns where driving is the only real option for commuting to work that a car becomes essential.
Another big difference is eating out, as a kid we only ate out a couple of times a year, now some people eat out more than once a week. Food in restaurants is made to taste good as it's primary aim, which means lots of salt, fat and sugar. Plus when you eat out you're more inclined to drink pop, or alcohol and have a dessert. Plus the portion sizes are generally pretty big.
All these little changes add up over time and must account towards the ever expanding population.
We saw this in France on our summer holiday, huge portion sizes.
It seems that the minute a child passes their driving test, they are given or have use of a car. As mentioned above we walked, cycled and took the bus as youngsters.
Children who walk to school tend to sleep better, concentrate more in class, will be slimmer and usually carry on walking to places in adulthood.
Food in restaurants is made to taste good as it’s primary aim, which means lots of salt, fat and sugar. Plus when you eat out you’re more inclined to drink pop, or alcohol and have a dessert. Plus the portion sizes are generally pretty big.
Depends rather on the restaurant the ones I frequent which are not chains tend to be perfectly normal portion sizes sometimes even a bit small
We saw this in France on our summer holiday, huge portion sizes.
In France, where?
This is not my experience of working in & visiting France for +30 years.
And for those demanding taxes on certain foods plus no multi-packs etc - just because you can't control yourself, why should I have to pay more?
And for those demanding taxes on certain foods plus no multi-packs etc – just because you can’t control yourself, why should I have to pay more?
All depends if you want to take any action to try and reverse the crisis that have been worsening for last 40 years I suppose. A LOT of people can't control themselves and when the crappest food is also the cheapest that is not helping them. Yeah, nanny state, whatever.
It seems that the minute a child passes their driving test, they are given or have use of a car. As mentioned above we walked, cycled and took the bus as youngsters.
Was the average/majority of 17/18 yearolds back then really making multiple 30+ minute walks or bike rides daily? (a bus, while greener and cheaper is not really healthier)
As mentioned above we walked, cycled and took the bus as youngsters.
And obviously didn't have 24hr access to very cheap, very calorie dense food on the scale that teenagers do now.
Really this all has to happen at a school (and ideally parenting - but good luck with that) level. Educate them about health from an early age, feed them properly at an early age, encourage daily physical activity in the school. Just normalise it for them.
Adults are already a lost cause (except the few of us who take up cycling etc; rare exceptions) - all current adults will be dead in 70 years which is completely insignificant to the big picture - but instilling the culture of health and caring about oneself has to be generational and it has to be through early years education - the formative years.
Bring people up to care about themselves and be inquisitive about how what they put into themselves affects them for the rest of their life.
I could have a skewed perspective because of where I live but I feel the current generation of ~25 and below are much more switched on. The cat is kind of out of the bag now, thanks to people like dr peter attia, dr rhonda patrick, etc, about the science behind good health vs illness (and it really is as simple as that: you're either making healthy choices or slowly but surely heading toward illness, there is no middle ground) - and the impressionistic young generation are picking up on it.
It has to be backed up in culture and policy. Individual [people/teachers] can make a difference, though. 1x passionate form tutor can influence 30x kids every single year, even if the 99 other teachers in the school were indifferent. While nothing of use is coming from the top, at the bottom we have the power to influence our own networks
Was the average/majority of 17/18 yearolds back then really making multiple 30+ minute walks or bike rides daily? (a bus, while greener and cheaper is not really healthier)
Exercise is likely a minor component of the obesity epidemic - it's basically all food intake.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090508045321.htm
The common sense hypothesis that it's just cheaper, more accessible, calorific food is likely correct - probably with some discoveries to be made about environmental factors but they will be minor imho. What makes it an absolute entrenched bastard of a problem is the ratchet affect of weight gain. You can't go down anywhere as easy as going up due to significant metabolic changes that are hard to reverse. Like getting your car engine re-mapped except you can't change it back.
Crisps, sweets and fizzy drinks in France and Germany are almost double the price of the UK. Vegetables and fruit are around the same price.
yes – we all walked to and from School and sometimes to and from at lunchtime as well
how long was your lunch break if you could spend an hour walking home and back, and presumably eating lunch while there?
Really this all has to happen at a school (and ideally parenting – but good luck with that) level. Educate them about health from an early age, feed them properly at an early age, encourage daily physical activity in the school. Just normalise it for them
I was a governor waaaay back in the early noughties and this was already national schools policy back then. Kids were given lessons in cooking, we talked to them about healthy eating, and gave advice to parents about lunch box contents and even policed it (was as popular as you'd expect), and as for exercise you don't really need to encourage kids at an early age to run about like loonies. It all pales into nothing in comparison to the marketing efforts of food companies, even the primary aged kids could all name multiple snack/junk foods as they're exposed to it so early.
yes – we all walked to and from School and sometimes to and from at lunchtime as well
And How much Monster did you drink? how many 24hr garages/supermarkets did you walk past? KFC? MaccyD? The kids at the school local to me will tell you that Morrisons don't prosecute if the stuff you nick is under a tenner..
My experience is that physical activity does make a difference. The fastest I ever gained weight was when I went into a desk job for a few years. Even though I was bike commuting I put on weight. Having easier access to a kettle and biscuits may have been partly to blame here.
Similarly when I go bike touring I lose weight. 12 pounds in a month this year.
Obviously food choices matter as well. My obese sister lost weight after a health scare and has kept it off over a year later. He main diet changes were stopping eating chocolate and switching to sugar free soft drinks.
I think long periods of low level activity like bike touring or many manual jobs is the way to go. How many fat posties do you see? Though that theory perhaps falls down with the number of fat nurses you see. More paperwork than physical nursing there days?
My experience is that physical activity does make a difference.
Nobody is saying that an individual's experience isn't valid, what they're saying is that at a national level, the idea that you can out exercise a bad diet, or combat excessive calorie intake with additional calorie expenditure is not borne out by the evidence. Humans want to use about 2000-2500Kcal a day over time, that's as true of miners as it is of office workers, excessive calories are stored, and once stored are hard to shift.
"Humans want to use about 2000-2500Kcal a day over time, that’s as true of miners as it is of office workers, "
But I bet miners won't gain weight on a 2500Kcal a day diet?
Seems (on 2014 stats) that average calorie intake is down but physical activity is down even more.
"Per capita sugar consumption has fallen by 16 per cent since 1992
and per capita calorie consumption has fallen by 21 per cent
since 1974.
● Since 2002, the average body weight of English adults has
increased by two kilograms. This has coincided with a decline
in calorie consumption of 4.1 per cent and a decline in sugar
consumption of 7.4 per cent.
● The rise in obesity has been primarily caused by a decline in
physical activity at home and in the workplace, not an increase
in sugar, fat or calorie consumption."
MY big bike ride I was aiming for 4000 calories per day. I struggled to get there often but I certainly was way over 2500. I lost around 10 kg. that was however 6 hrs of moderate exercise a day for 80 days with a few days of hard exercise ( ruddy hills)
rather an extreme situation tho 🙂
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Still the same thing, calories in exceed calories out.
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Evidence suggests otherwise, based on my initial post.
TJ thinks this thread is about him?! This is about the general weight gain of the general public, not someone who is pretty fit, healthy and not over weight.
Actually thinking about it, a thread about obesity on a forum for an active pursuit isn't really going to engage the majority of those who are struggling with obesity.
intheborders- we were cycle touring across Northern France, so eating in places ranging from small cafes to restaurants. But, it was far worse in the French Alps, where food portions were really large and of course more expensive. Sometimes I've shared a meal with a friend it was so large (or hubby polishes off what I can't eat).
I know many people think obesity problem should be taken on by schools, but, my goodness teachers already have enough to do educating youngsters with normal subjects and now the added need to learn about the environment and climate change.
Luckily at my (not very academic) school we had home economics, this taught balancing meals, cooking healthily and how to buy in season, also the importance of food, where it came from etc. This was of course many decades ago and schools don't always have the proper fitted out kitchen classroom that we had.
school we had home economics, this taught balancing meals, cooking healthily and how to buy in season, also the importance of food, where it came from etc. This was of course many decades ago and schools don’t always have the proper fitted out kitchen classroom that we had.
I think Im quite a bit younger than you - when I was at school they had turned it more into a science/technology subject. It was infact called "Food Technology" at my school. There may have been a bit of calories and balancing mentioned, but my main memory 2 decades on is that we spent half a year (the other half, we did sewing "textile technology") just doing pizza.
This was compulsory years 7-9, years 10 and 11 you had to choose one from DT; Graphic design; Food Tech; Textile tech.
Cooking pizza from scratch is or can be healthy and balanced so I'm not complaining there and it probably helped the less healthy kids engage; but the focus wasn't on teaching you to cook, it was on researching differnet toppings and bases, putting together a survey for your friends and family, writing a report based on that survey, making an advertisement and coming up with a name for your creation; and presenting your product. The actual cooking occured maybe once every 3 or 4 lessons (and every lesson took place in the same room with ample ovens etc for everyone).
how long was your lunch break if you could spend an hour walking home and back, and presumably eating lunch while there?
The suggest was multiple 1/2 hr walks a day. I just checked. 25 min walk according to google maps from my then house to school and I lived probably an average distance away. Many of my pals walked further but obviously some folk less. An hour for lunch. Back in those days you went to your local school and up to 2 miles was the distance you were expected to walk. If your local school was more than 2 miles away you got a bus pass or a laid on bus
No one was driven to school. Literally no one at my school
But as nickc says - while activity is a part of the issue food is a much larger part. It takes a surprisingly large amount of activity to burn off those excess calories. less than 100 calories per miles approximately on average.
25 min walk according to google maps from my then house to school and I lived probably an average distance away. An hour for lunch.
Going wildly off topic, but you walked an additional 50 minutes home and back, just to spend 10 minutes at home for lunch?
TJ thinks this thread is about him?!
I thought the forum was about him 🙂
Obesity in the UK
That could be the name of the Sex Pistols comeback album.
Really this all has to happen at a school (and ideally parenting – but good luck with that) level. Educate them about health from an early age, feed them properly at an early age, encourage daily physical activity in the school. Just normalise it for them.
Schools cannot put in what the parents leave out or indeed actively encourage in the wrong direction. Kids are educated about healthy living from an early age already but unless parents help to get them active or feed them properly it's all pissing in the wind!
intheborders- we were cycle touring across Northern France, so eating in places ranging from small cafes to restaurants. But, it was far worse in the French Alps, where food portions were really large and of course more expensive. Sometimes I’ve shared a meal with a friend it was so large (or hubby polishes off what I can’t eat).
I need to eat in the places that you eat, as I can't remember a meal in France where I've ever experienced this.
For example we had 2 weeks in France earlier this year, every meal was at least 2 courses, most were 3 (plus aperitifs, wine and for evenings usually a digestive with the coffee), none had portions that would be described as "really large" - maybe waiters tick a 'cyclist' box I'm unaware of and you automatically get a double sized portion 🙂
😁
Generally I feel that we should let people screw up their own lives and die by their own choices but as I see so much of this in primary schools I feel somewhat different here. I would simply ban junk food nationally to start with. Bugger personal choice. No adverts, no stacking it up in the shops and a mega tax on anything still out there.
I would openly humiliate fatties. Yes we may get the odd medical case but who cares about the individual in our modern society anyway? And we always have to exclude some one.
Why is it that we see the hard up families on benefits shoving junk food in their kids and the better off doing it properly? Education and attitude is what I see.
Bugger peoples feelings.
Ebikes!
Oh, and mince pies all year!
I was delighted to see them on sale in Aldi before Halloween, I bought a box as a hint to my OH that she needed to get baking.
...manufacturers need to be stopped from saying that such-and-such product is only x% of your salt, y% of your fat and z% of your sugar allowance for the day if you only eat half of the contents of the packet of whatever it is you’ve bought – its misdirection and people are easily fooled into thinking they are eating a relatively healthy option when they are not.
I think it's a pack of Skittles where the "family size" pack says it's pretty healthy for fat and salt but bad on sugar according to the Traffic Light label but that's based on a serving of under 10 sweets. A small handful is 20-30 sweets and the whole bag is well into the hundred + sweets. I know I can't just have a few and I've got some self-control but those who haven't can easily think it's not bad as a sweet treat goes but eat enough sugar to keep them going all day and more in 10 minutes of scoffing (my record is 6 minutes for one of those bags...).
and I’ve got some self-control
in 10 minutes of scoffing (my record is 6 minutes for one of those bags…).
No, you really haven't.
Sugar might be the least of your problems when eating Skittles
INGREDIENTS: Sugar, Corn Syrup, Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil; Less Than 2% Of: Citric Acid, Tapioca Dextrin, Modified Corn Starch, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Colors (Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5 Lake, Blue 2 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, Titanium Dioxide, Blue 1 Lake, Yellow 6, Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 1), Sodium Citrate,
Not something I would be choosing to eat...
if you only eat half of the contents of the packet of whatever it is you’ve bought
see also "sharing sized" anything, but particularly chocolate bars, slightly smaller individually maybe, but much larger portion if both eaten, and every-body understands that no-one is sharing those things.
I would openly humiliate fatties. Yes we may get the odd medical case but who cares about the individual in our modern society anyway? And we always have to exclude some one.
Why is it that we see the hard up families on benefits shoving junk food in their kids and the better off doing it properly? Education and attitude is what I see.
Bugger peoples feelings.
The average UK citizen spends 8% of income on food.
For the lower 50% of the population to meet healthy eating guidelines they would need to spend around 30%.
For the bottom 10% that would rise to over 50% of income.
If you are willing to put the effort in or have the time to do it then eating healthily doesn't need to cost a lot more. Things like potatoes, carrots, cabbage, apples etc,. are not expensive and it would make more sense to have a banana that a packet of crisps.
If you go to a mainly plant based diet cooked from scratch it would be cheaper than a typical convenience food meat based diet
Presupposes that one has access to cooking facilities, the time, the ability, or energy to do that. I think you're right though, cooking your own food is obviously better, but we don't live in a society that makes it easy for folks (anyone really, not just those on tighter time/or money budgets) to do that anymore, and that's down to such a multitude of factors that it's difficult to know where to begin.
if you only eat half of the contents of the packet of whatever it is you’ve bought – its misdirection and people are easily fooled into thinking they are eating a relatively healthy option when they are not.
the 500ml bottles of coke/fanta/whatever you get with a meal deal etc.... sold with a single sandwich and single snack, named a "meal deal" not "meals deal".... are aparently 2 servings.
but we don’t live in a society that makes it easy for folks (anyone really, not just those on tighter time/or money budgets) to do that anymore, and that’s down to such a multitude of factors that it’s difficult to know where to begin.
mostly because we no longer have a stay at home wife to spend all day walking (no chance of a second car) to the grocers, butchers, bakers etc (no supermarkets) and spend hours making a dinner for us when we come home from work.
similar cause with housing costs, if the expectation is 2 incomes, supply and demand will make the price compatible with two incomes.
however the upside to this is (close to) gender equality, so personally I'm happy with the current situation in this regard.
mostly because we no longer have a stay at home wife to spend all day walking (no chance of a second car) to the grocers, butchers, bakers etc (no supermarkets) and spend hours making a dinner for us when we come home from work.
this is simply not so. I always have home cooked meals mainly by me before I became single. I can rustle up a home cooked from scratch meal in 20 mins if I want and even an fancy meal does not take "hours" unless I cook something very elaborate. - same with other folk I know where both adults work full time. It take knowledge and willingness not excessive time. Less time than it take oven chips to cook!
Grilled white fish, 2 veg and spuds. 20ish mins from opening the fridge to eating it
Less time than it take oven chips to cook!
You've clearly not seen 5 minute oven chips.
Yeah I made a stir fry yesterday from scratch, which was mostly making sure I chopped veg and not my fingers...the hardest part was the sauce and that's just soy, garlic ginger and few other spices. Takes 10 mins? maybe, but like @tjagain suggest it's the willingness to do it, and for lots of folks for lots of reasons there's plenty of barriers to that.
I would openly humiliate fatties. Yes we may get the odd medical case but who cares about the individual in our modern society anyway? And we always have to exclude some one.
Do you seriously think most fat people like being fat? Humiliation will not work. Shocked that anyone thinks it will.
Mrs STR knocked me a chicken stir fry up last night and some black rice - don't think it took long to make, nor was expensive. Healthy (good portion of veg in there), not fattening, brought in a tupperware today, 5 mins in the microwave.
Half hour of prep the night before and no need to go to the convenience store to buy crap
Do you seriously think most fat people like being fat? Humiliation will not work. Shocked that anyone thinks it will.
+1.
mostly because we no longer have a stay at home wife to spend all day walking (no chance of a second car) to the grocers, butchers, bakers etc (no supermarkets) and spend hours making a dinner for us when we come home from work.
this is simply not so. I always have home cooked meals mainly by me before I became single
Agreed, I'd even call it out as complete and absolute bollocks. I do pretty much all of the cooking in our house, mainly from fresh, mainly for 4 or 5 of us, and even when I ride home and get in at 6, dinner will be done by 7, and I'll have had time in between to shower and do other jobs. Or even sit and watch TV. But if you tell people it takes hours to make tea often enough, then they'll believe it. It's a self perpetuating myth that cooking is complicated, expensive and time consuming.
(I've just been in the kitchen in work, where every mechanic is making a pot noodle of some description, and discussing the merits of Smash.)
It must be confusing for the younger generation
On the one hand, we are being encouraged to eat healthy and get excercise
On the other hand, mainstream pop acts such as Lizzo and her dance troupe (google her if you don't know) are being applauded and promoted for being body positive, despite being morbidly obese.
Overweight people should in no way be chastised, but going out of our way to say 'be happy in your own skin', even if that is seriously unhealthy, is a bit of a conflicting message. Or am I wrong?
Or am I wrong?
There's some evidence that most fat on larger folks is subcutaneous, and isn't overly harmful, the real harm comes form the metabolic diseases caused by fat around the organs. There's a higher chance that fat folk have fat around their organs though; so get rid of one will have an effect on the other. So, in terms of Lizzo and her dancers, its chill.
Now now chaps - lets get this right. Your cooked meal in the evening is "dinner" Tea is "a drink with jam and bread". Your midday meal is "lunch" As for supper - its a snack before bed
How are you supposed to be able to have a nutritious meal if you cannot even get the basics rights
tsk tsk
I do pretty much all of the cooking in our house, mainly from fresh, mainly for 4 or 5 of us, and even when I ride home and get in at 6, dinner will be done by 7, and I’ll have had time in between to shower and do other jobs.
In that case you and your family should be cloned and the rest of humanity should die out as we are simply not meant to breathe the same air as you.
I've said it before, but last time I tried to engage with a battle of wills with my kids over 'everyone eats the same thing in this house' my son managed to go three days without eating before he vomited and almost passed out in the middle of the shops.
If you found yourself going up against a couple of strong willed picky eaters who will literally starve themselves to death rather than eat what you want to eat maybe your life wouldn't be quite so simple and you wouldn't be here talking down to the rest of us?
Can we please stop pretending that just because individual families can manage something it therefore must be easy for everyone in the World?
Overweight people should in no way be chastised, but going out of our way to say ‘be happy in your own skin’, even if that is seriously unhealthy, is a bit of a conflicting message. Or am I wrong?
They're certainly different messages on different topics and apparently contradictory there's no doubt. But I don't think it's a big deal to say that fat people shouldn't feel bad about being fat, as it achieves nothing good and can do a lot of harm through unhealthy weight loss (and then gain), unhealthy attitudes to food, contributing to anorexia etc etc. A body positive message is better than this stuff. But there's nothing very sexy about type 2 diabetes.
Can we please stop pretending that just because individual families can manage something it therefore must be easy for everyone in the World?
Very much this
Now now chaps – lets get this right. Your cooked meal in the evening is “dinner” Tea is “a drink with jam and bread”. Your midday meal is “lunch” As for supper – its a snack before bed
How are you supposed to be able to have a nutritious meal if you cannot even get the basics rights
What?!
Midday - Lunch
Evening - Tea
Supper - something people who think they're posh have
The naming convention depends on which is the larger surely? A cooked meal in the middle of the day followed by a smaller meal in the evening is dinner and tea. A smaller meal, maybe based around a sandwich, in the middle of the day followed by a larger cooked meal in the evening is lunch and dinner.
You know at school, there were dinner ladies, what time of day did they serve dinner at in your day TJ?
Midday - Lunch
Evening meal (in) - Tea
Evening meal (out) - Dinner
Evening meal (later than planned because; reasons) - Supper
you wouldn’t be here talking down to the rest of us?
I didn't read @IdleJon post as patronizing, rather it read to me that he was just saying that it is possible to cook for more than one in a short space of time, rather than have to choose processed or unhealthier food choices.
And meanwhile in my world, I couldn't give a hoot what you call it 😉 In fact, I think I actually mix it up - mid day - lunch or dinner, evening - dinner or tea
dinner ladies served lunch at lunchtime. Weird isn't it
Simon - now you are just confused. Lunch and tea? good grief!
Reminds me of a lovely story about Mrs TJ before we were going out. She as a brand new law student was paired with a second year student for mentoring and to pass expensive text books on. This chap said to her one day. "Fancy a Chinese meal? I'll get some for dinner and bring it round". MrsTJ waited for him from 12 till 2 and thought. "I've been stood up" and went to the pub. He poor chap turned up at 7 with a nice takeaway and thought he had been stood up. 🙂 On such chances lives turn.
Cheap and easy food tends to be rubbish
I think that this is key. The word ‘easy’, especially. Take a look at the statistics by age-range of how often we cook from scratch. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1140383/frequency-of-cooking-from-scratch-by-age-group-uk/
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Our neck of the woods (increasingly outdated) as a kid was
Midday - Dinner
5:30pm - Tea
Fish and Chips - ‘supper’
The word ’lunch’ was only used for ‘lunch box’ (in which was kept ‘me dinner’)
MisterP is correct, dinner is at no set time and is just the big meal of the day
I think it’s a pack of Skittles where the “family size” pack says it’s pretty healthy for fat and salt
They are all so shady with this crap. I've got some teabags that proudly proclaim how good they are at preventing heart disease*
*The small print on the back points out that the teabags don't have any salt in them, and a low salt diet can be helpful in avoiding certain heart conditions
I didn’t read @IdleJon post as patronizing, rather it read to me that he was just saying that it is possible to cook for more than one in a short space of time, rather than have to choose processed or unhealthier food choices.
OK. I did.
As I do with anyone who feels that any aspect of child raising that they find easy means it is simply inconceivable that it isn't easy for everyone and therefore anyone who can't live up to this standard must have some sort of character deficiency.
I found getting our kids to sleep very easy. Therefore I don't chime in with my experiences of getting my kids to go to sleep because it would come across as patronising.
My advice to anyone with kids is if you think any particular aspect of child raising is simple then you more likely than not have no useful advice to offer.
But yes, if your kids will eat anything then I'm sure it is very easy to prepare every meal from scratch without using too much time.
Okay. There's breakfast, "break" rhymes with "deck". As middle class kids we'd take the piss out of our working class dad for rhyming it with "steak".
Then dinner, that the lunch ladies bring you at school.
Then tea. This was at or before six bitd but has drifted to more like eight in our house. If we're eating out anywhere it becomes dinner.
Supper is something other people have.
Something altogether different according to "carry on up the Khyber"
I didn’t read @IdleJon post as patronizing, rather it read to me that he was just saying that it is possible to cook for more than one in a short space of time, rather than have to choose processed or unhealthier food choices.<br />OK. I did.
As I do with anyone who feels that any aspect of child raising that they find easy means it is simply inconceivable that it isn’t easy for everyone and therefore anyone who can’t live up to this standard must have some sort of character deficiency.
For the record, one of my kids is coeliac, who doesn't like meat or eggs, I have a less fussy 19 year old and a typically fussy 12 year old. A stir-fry, which takes 30 minutes to prepare and cook, will involve two types of noodles, a couple of different sauces or none at all, veg on some plates, no meat on another...
It wasn't meant to be a patronising look-at-me post, simply to point out that cooking is not difficult, but there are plenty of people who try to make it complicated. Sorry if it sounded different.
