[Closed] Now i'm not a racist, but......

I googled UK sharia as suggested and saw nothing to alarm me apart from teh witterings of that beardie weirdie the arch bish and some drivel from "Jihadwatch"

Why should it alarm me that some religious zealots want to be judged by their own moral code? Non of which will ever replace the UK judicial code.

You have loads of previous enfit for xenophobia tilting towards racism and sometimes crossing the line.

Ian Munro - Member
Most evening's I get young naked women dancing in the woods opposite worshipping whatever wica people worship.

"None of which will ever replace the UK judicial code"

I don't agree

TJ is your Guardian PC Protection software still enabled?

Hatred of Islamics is racism by generally accepted definitions.

Islam is a pretty new mass religion in a country which was getting pretty secular. Its adherents are drawn (to a very large extent) from people belonging to ethnic groups who have become established in the country relatively recently. There is a certain amount of theological justification (albeit hotly disputed) for a deranged element which causes quite a lot of mayhem and makes some highly inflammatory political demands. While the bulk of the group is very well behaved considering the levels of hostility and deprivation that they face, pollsters seem quite readily to find evidence of a disconcertingly widespread hostility to British society, and a degree of sympathy for the violent whack-jobs who cause mayhem.

That there is a degree of mistrust of them and their loudspeakers from people who do not feel equally threatened by the bells of a medieval parish church calling old ladies to sunday prayers and flower-arranging is not entirely surprising. If these chaps are going to be a major feature of our scene there is probably a need for quite a lot more understanding all round. 😐

Some of the comments on Shira law make intersting reading, can anyone post a link to a site that lays out the basics in a way the average numpty can understand?

Genuine request, not a piss take.

Enfit - then produce some evidence. There is absolutely no chance of sharia law ever becoming part of the UK judicial process.

And why the **** should I feel the need to prove my opinion to YOU of all people?

You're not that important in the whole scheme of things tbh, get over yourself

This thread was a troll, and I knew my view would probably cause the rock you're under to move but so ****in what.

You're arguing about 2 different things. Enfht claimed that a growing proportion of British muslims [i]want[/i] sharia law in the UK. I'm not trawling round for a poll to prove it, but I've a recollection of that claim being made also. I'm quite prepared to believe it's arguable. Meanwhile, TJ is [i]clearly[/i] right that the idea that a new Bradford-based caliph will be forcing our women into burkhas and stoning the adulterous ones any time soon is far-fetched.

I bet if some white American rednecks invented Islam the liberal multi-cultural cheer leaders would see it very differently. Confusing religion and racism is seriously ****ing stupid.

If all adulterous women were stoned the AE departments would be over run.

googled UK sharia as suggested and saw nothing to alarm me apart from teh witterings of that beardie weirdie the arch bish and some drivel from "Jihadwatch"

Indeed the Arch bish is a beardie weirdie as you call him, however he seems to be arguing from your standpoint if you'd read what he had to say!

I'm sure we all want to avoid that Peregrine.

And agreed, the Archbishop's comments were entirely sane.

Enfit you make wild claims but are unable to back them up - as usual.

When challenged on your wild paranoid claims you simply have nothing to back them up.

5th elephant - racism can be religous based. I agree the two words are not synonymous - race and religion but it is clearly accepted that discrimination on the grounds of religion can be racist. Antisemitism is one example

racism can be religous based. I agree the two words are not synonymous - race and religion but it is clearly accepted that discrimination on the grounds of religion can be racist. Antisemitism is one example

So if me saying "Jehovah Witnesses are bellends" is racist then so be it.

Antisemitism is one example

TJ, if you go to Israel, you'll see a mix of races, from ethiopian to caucasian, all jewish though. Jews aren't a race but a religion - you wouldn't put the North Leeds Ashkenazim in the same racial group as a the Syrian Sephardi.

Not entirely sure I've got this right, but here goes - I dont think the original post was meant to be serious, but there have been a couple of seriously dodgy replies - (racist / sexist / xenophobic - delete as appropriate) so why should TJ get singled out for such vitriol?

Call someone a "nazi c*ckmonkey" again mitch! 😉

Tempting as it is BigDummy, I'm trying to rise above my base instincts!

Arabs are a semetic people as well.

I'm with the Swiss on this one. Stop being so flipping liberal. Church's are part of the British landscape like fields and cows. Mosques are visually hideous and incredibly kitsch. Many of the ones I have seen are poorly constructed from bare breeze blocks and fake gold - I think we need stricter planning permission. Oh..and they make an unpleasant noise (unlike churches which sound beautiful).

TJ - IIRC the inclusion of parts of Sharia law in the UK judicial system came up as recently as last Feb.

Paraphrasing a few archived pages from the BBC website, it was postulated that as the prevalence of Muslim communities practising and abiding by Sharia law in their own community grows, to the exclusion of the UK judicial system, it would be better to include some of it within UK law. The aforementioned 'weirdy beirdy one' (Rowan Williams) chipped in that this was an afront to the majorities common national values (whatever they are)and in doing so not only opened the can of worms, but proceeded to drop kick it in an effort that one J Wilkonson would be proud of. Being clearly a political hot potato, the government had no real answer/was not prepared to make comment so the whole thing died on it's ar$e.

Therefore, there is evidence that the issue it out there, it's just resting for a while before the tabloids pick it up again.

Anyway, I'm taking the kids out now (off to see santa - best get my paedoradar working), but as I'm sure this will turn into a loooong thread, I'll be back later to puy my two pennorth in. Fingers crossed BD, I may well be using the terms nazi and cockmonkey!

iDave - thats the point. Jews are a mix of races but hatred of / discrimination against Jews is usually considered to be racism. the boundaries are blurred.

bristolbiker

The issue may be out there but there is precisely zero chance of it being incorporated into UK law - same as some bigots want to send all non whites home - that ain't going to happen either

Debate is great... But please watch that you don't overstep the mark into offensive and racist remarks or opinions please?

Due to the content of this thread the mods are having to keep an eye on it.

Cheers
Mark

[i]precisely zero chance[/i]

With tongue wedged firmly in cheek, I would ask you to produce some evidence of that statement!! 😉 I'm pretty sure my crystal ball is as good as yours and I can't tell which way I'm going to ride home tonight, let alone what will happen many years down the line.

EDIT: Actually, look at the clock, time to find out which way the wind takes me....

This is just not a black and white issue! 😆 see what I did there! eh did you? see it? the little pun!

I'll get my coat.

TJ if the boundaries are so blurred between race & religion how come you are so quick to call enfht racist over a religious comment?

I have no time for religion or people who spout it does that make me racist?

[i]The issue may be out there but there is precisely zero chance of it being incorporated into UK law[/i]

Do you mean that there is no desire for it, or that those who desire it will be defeated by the power of our righteousness, out of interest?

TandemJeremy - Member
iDave - thats the point. Jews are a mix of races but hatred of / discrimination against Jews is usually considered incorrectly to be racism. It's xenophobia. the boundaries are blurred.

I like the sound of the call to prayer. I like the sound of church bells too.

Dobbo - no of course not. However negative stereotyping or discrimination against a religious group that are usually considered to be homogeneous in racial makeup can be.

Dobbo - no of course not. However negative stereotyping or discrimination against a religious group that are usually considered to be homogeneous in racial makeup can be.

I'd say anyone who considers the worldwide islamic population to be homogeneous is guilty of a little stereotyping themselves. How someone from Bosnia and someone from the Sudan are to be considered homogeneous baffles me a bit 😐

Its about motivation - and poorly defined words

heavy heavy rock , up loud as, somthing like messer manson , or even pantera , religeon imo sucks big time , nowt but probs, 2000 worth of proof.

Why don't you just knock on the door of the mosque and ask them to keep it down?

And when the Church wakes you on Xmas day...oi pipe down that bell!

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Why have my posts been deleted? They were
a)clearly ment tounge in cheek
b)no more backward then some of the coments on the thread even if they were, which they clearly were'nt, ment seriously!

What a load of bobbins.

isnt that achmed, the dead terrorist.

alex222 - looks like a few posts are missing including enfits original one.

[i]I've lived in a country where nearly everyone was Muslim, and the call to prayer was going off all through the day
Never heard a church bell though.

Never thought to mention it to anyone either. They'd not have listened anyway !.

[b]It was their culture, their way of life[/b] [u][b]and while I lived in their country[/b][/u], [b]I accepted it and accept it still ![/b].

I repsected their ways, the ways of the people and their culture, [b]in that place[/b]...[/i]
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Are you getting the message ?.

I've just scanned over the posts since I posted, and some of it has gone a bit OTT, imo.

TJ, Hi. 🙂

I like diversity, it enriches our lives. However, That door swings both ways !.

When in England during the summertime, to look out across our glorious English countryside, on a sun drenched day while out on a ride, only to hear the distant chime of church bells, is totally what makes England/UK what it is in my mind and to the minds of the rest of the world (think tourism).

But !!!!!, when I go to the middle east, when I experience their world and listen to that call to prayer, see the mosques, when I go to the markets, amongst other things, then [b]that is wonderful too[/b] and I know thats [b]their[/b] way of life. And I think it is wonderful for its difference.

Diversity is a wonderful thing.

So, to my mind, difference is good, and more importantly, worth preserving. Not to fight over, but to preserve for what it can give us all.

So, while in the middle-east, lets hear that call to prayer, but while in the UK, lets hear the chime of that church bell. And most importantly, lets all appreciate, positively, the differernce.

CC.

nazi cockmonkey....................... ❓
did someone call for me..............

Funnilly enough though, what with Mohammed having been around a little bit before the invention of the loudspeaker, there's nothing in the quran that says that the adhan should be broadcast. Sometimes it would be called from a minaret, sometimes just in the mosque. So to me it's not really a matter of cultural sensitivity, since the amplified adhan isn't a tradition.

(to me it sounds fairly brilliant called without augmentation, by someone who really knows his yodelling, but from a loudspeaker it just tends to sound like, well, noise.)

Anokdale said,

"Like church bells", Like to see you start ring Church Bells in Triploi where i am, see how far you get, tolerance my left buttock cheek, when it suits certain people. It has been a long day today with these characters.

Yes, because other places might not be tolerant of church bells, we should be intolerant of this. I remember being taught about 2 wrongs making a right 😉

Dobbo, the UK sharia thing is a complete straw man, as you might already be aware- UK sharia courts would be no different from the jewish Beth Din, which are already in place in the UK and have been for many years. For that matter it's no different from ACAS. People only object to this because they find muslims more alarming than jews. Operating within UK law is different from being part of UK law.

Trailmonkey wrote,

"I'd say anyone who considers the worldwide islamic population to be homogeneous is guilty of a little stereotyping themselves."

FWIW TJ said "considered to be homogenous", not that he considers it homogenous. But it's a fact that to a lot of people, to think of a muslim is to think of an arab, despite islam being predominantly an asian-pacific religion now. And that's why the line between racism and bigotry isn't as clear as people would like to think. Anti-islamic feeling in the UK thrives off anti-arabic feeling and vice versa.

Thank you northwind. exactly what I ment

Captain crash - which do you mean - England or the UK - they are not synonymous

Neither church bells nor the call to prayer are part of my Uk. I can't think when I last heard either apart from in continental Europe.

"nazi cockmonkey.......................
did someone call for me.............."
No ton, that was meant just for tombola or whatever your alter ego was called 😉

I just don't like horrible people, whatever their colour.

I like nice people, whatever their colour. Although Ghanaians seem to be a particularly amicable breed.

If there is one thing I cannot stand it is intolerance

[i]If there is one thing I cannot stand it is intolerance[/i]

Think I just heard a drumkit fall out of a window...

looks like a few posts are missing including enfits original one.

All my posts are still there TJ including my original one, clear as day

If there is one thing I cannot stand it is intolerance

What utter nonsense, you CLEARLY only tolerate certain views and opinions.

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Whats that wooshing noise? Something just flown over your head enfit?

You are right tho that your original post is there - I must have missed it when I looked.

Mitch,I was in the Tesco's at Stairfoot this morning,and found some lovely Galettes Bretonnes,lovely with a nice cup of coffee.How's the sense of humour transplant research going BTW? It looks like we need it here.
Ian

Anything at all to do with broadcasting religion is an irritating stupidity.

Try getting as many neighbours as possible to complain about it on the grounds of noise nuisance. I recall a similar move (somewhere in Wiltshire, if memory serves) has worked and stopped bell-ringing practice in a local "Pointless Building for Xtians"...

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Not being funny but ...

IN 1910 the Home Secretary, Winston Churchill memorably said that the civilisation of a society can be judged by the way it treats its prisoners.

The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Woolf, was making much the same point in his British Academy speech on Tuesday. A democratic society is to be judged not by its success in catering to the needs of its privileged members or even its average ones. Instead, look at how it treats the poor, the disadvantaged, the ill - and the unpopular.

thejesmonddingo - we're very cultured here in the peoples republic now you know, though I'm still very partial to a plate of pig bag. This thread is bloody hopeless without any rabid nazis to shout at. I have a huge vitriolic bag of insults here, and at this rate they'll have gone off before christmas!