[Closed] Now i'm not a racist, but......

[i]There was dislike of the traditions and ways we brought with us when we expanded empire [/i]

Yeah, cos that's the same 😕

In Cairo there is a campaign to get rid of all the different muezzins calling people to prayer from the loudspeakers in their respective minarets and replace them with one coordinated broadcast of the call to prayer. This is because all the thousands of different calls to the different mosques, some live, some recorded, all at slightly different times and the competitions between respective muezzins as to who can call the loudest are creating an annoying noise pollution in the city. So they don't even like the noise themselves sometimes. But as people have said, if we can ring church bells etc, then singling out some similarly purposed but culturally different noise as unacceptable does smack of intolerance based on race/culture/creed.

In a city, there are much worse and more annoying sounds than a call to prayer. I think you need to chill.

since when is "thats a horrible noise" a racist comment?

now if you had written.

"those d***** m** f****'* w** t i*********** p** s g o* * all the f***** time"
that could be considered racist

grynch - Member

who am I to say?.. me?.. I'm a yank.. *L*

BURN HIM!!!

i had a class last week and we talked about the whole minaret/switzerland thing and the majority of the people agreed with the result (this is a class in germany). but, as one guy said, if they were to hold the ballot anywhere else in europe, do you think the result would be any different?

i'd vote for a NO against the building of minarets. but, i'd also vote NO to the future building of any religious building (other than the one the Dalai Lama follows, he's cool).

and as grynch said, the tolling of the bells every hour. i live about 50 yards from a bell tower. DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG!!!! I know it's 12 o'clock; i've got a watch. and there is no love in the tolling. at least with anglican churches they give you a nice tune before hand DING DONG DONG DING, DING DONG DONG DONG, followed by DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING. here it's just DING DING DING DING, DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG.

but, as said above, do you really think the authorities would be tolerant of church bells in Tunisia, Ridyah or Mashad?

The Gypos by me keep driving round and round with their horn going to entice any scrap metal into their filthy untaxed uninsured truck. It p1553s me off.
We thankfully dont have any noisy Muzzers round my way, so I cant really complain about them. Although the kids soccer team on the field is a bit noisy.

For christs sake scruff, tell me you're just trying to be ironic.

alpin - Member

grynch - Member

who am I to say?.. me?.. I'm a yank.. *L*

BURN HIM!!!

alpin?... I beg your pardon.. don'cha know you're speaking to a citizen of the greatest country on earth... our President just won the Nobel Peace Prize ya'know.

*ducking*

*here goes a whole 'nother argument*

i'm with scruff on this. used to phukin hate sunday footballers in the playing fields next to my house. gobby hairy arses and their shouty hangers on. give me a mosque anyday.

A Jehovah Gypo Witness ringing a bell while kicking a ball would be getting to about the lowest of the low.

what has racism got to do with Muslim bells anyway? you can be any colour, skin tone of whatever to be Muslim! what a pointless thread

MMW. Yes, very good point 🙂

CC.

In my nan's village in the pyrenees the church bells play the 'angelus' at 0730 and about 1930 every single day. Thi is essentially a call to prayer too and about not far off the mosques in terms of volume, length and 'insistence'! The locals like it (this is the kind of rural village where you might have been so poor you didn't own a watch or clock in the 20's and 30's) and the rich folk from Toulouse and Bordeaux with holiday homes want the bells stopped. The bells are still going. 😀

IIRC they banned the sounding of all church bells in the USSR, I forget if it was uinder Lenin or Stalin. It was a 'distraction' from the communist cause.

what has racism got to do with Muslim bells anyway? you can be any colour, skin tone of whatever to be Muslim! what a pointless thread

What a pointless post.

It's not about muslim bells its about mosque chanting and noise pollution. The OP doesn't even mention Muslim or bells.

I think he's got the wrong end of the stick

Anyway on the bright side the chants stopped a while ago and now i can hear a wood pigeon.

Now where's my gun? 😉

bomberman - if you'd followed up the post title with 'I think we should send them back to where they came from' or something along those lines, we could have all reared up and started flinging threats and accusations. As it is, I'm just left with a feeling of impotent rage. I am dissapointed, to say the least 😉

I'm not a racist but I quite like yoghurt.

I suffer with a lactose intolerance, and am deeply offended by your frankly dairyist remarks BigDummy!

If i remember the local to me (at the time) mosque applied for a license to broadcast the call to prayer over a loudspeaker.
It was refused on the grounds of noise pollution because it would be electrically amplified whereas the local church bells were not (something like that anyway).

I once stayed a couple of nights in Shah Alam (Malaysia).

Lovely place, but the hotel was pretty much opposite [URL= http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Salahuddin_Abdul_Aziz_Mosque ]the second largest mosque in South East Asia[/URL].

We didn't get a lot of sleep!

I'm sure if *insert chosen deity* were to be walking the earth now he'd be shaking his/her/its/their head and saying "Oh Me, why are they still using bells/chants/gongs/holy-trumpets when verily I have blessed them with alarm clocks and text messages"

I don't mind them ringing the church bells near us on Sunday mornings, because I'm up and out riding, but [i]Christmas Day[/i] for Christ's sake!!!

Broadcasting to the local inhabitants that "there is no God except Allah" via loadspeaker however many times a day is a tad devisive and bears no resemblance to Church Bells imo. Couple that with an ever-growing portion of UK-based Muslims pushing for Sharia and even the most steadfast Guardian loony should be concerned.

And we're talking religeon not race ffs

Most evening's I get young naked women dancing in the woods opposite worshipping whatever wica people worship. If other religions started doing this rather than dinging dongs or wailing, the world would be a lot nicer.

When I was working, we reached agreement with the local mosque to regulate the volume of calls to prayer - everyone seemed happy.

I think it's not uncommon now to do this?

The bell****ers are worse IMHO.....

Can I worship at your church Ian? 😀

enfht - Member
......... Couple that with an ever-growing portion of UK-based Muslims pushing for Sharia and even the most steadfast Guardian loony should be concerned.

And your evidence for this particular piece of [i]racist[/i] claptrap

how about if i let the naked women ding my dong?

HOOORAY

TJ's here, and i've just got a fresh cup of coffee and the cakes have arrived

TJs not well and can't be bothered.

I did read the thread and most of it is simply nimbyism of the daily wail sort.

Just enfit had to go beyond good old british moaning with his paranoid fantasies

TandemJeremy - Member

And your evidence for this particular piece of racist claptrap

I thought I'd google "UK Sharia" to see what it comes up with, maybe you should have done the same before your post.

RE: Church spires

[url= http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=st+charles+glasgow+church&ie=UTF8&hq=st+charles+glasgow+church&hnear=Clydebank,+UK&ll=55.879598,-4.277661&spn=0,359.890137&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=55.879571,-4.277313&panoid=hjFmyPUOjSbqROUqzDpu0Q&cbp=12,168.46,,0,5.11 ]This[/url] is a horrific looking church in Glasgow.

Look up and see the horrid spire/tower thing they have going on 😐

i googled it, the first thing that came up was an article about Mr Bean saying it was unavoidable.

nowhere in the article did he state that we should all build anderson shelters in our garden and prepare to invade the entire middle east

TJ only you resort to personal attacks and when ffs will you stop confusing race and religeon.

So I'm paranoid by stating FACTS. ho hum

I do have fantasies but none include anything related to this thread.

EDIT: Correction, they may indeed include naked women dancing in the woods

Where are your facts then? Facts - not the wofflings of another religious zealot or paranoid fantasies from the far right. We already have religous courts in the UK - Judasim and Catholics have them along with non religious ones suvh as the BMA

Hatred of Islamics is racism by generally accepted definitions.

You have much previous on this for being a racist

IF I were racist I would quite rightly be banned from the forum.

TJ you need to disable your Left-wing filter in Google and look again my blinkered friend.

I googled UK sharia as suggested and saw nothing to alarm me apart from teh witterings of that beardie weirdie the arch bish and some drivel from "Jihadwatch"

Why should it alarm me that some religious zealots want to be judged by their own moral code? Non of which will ever replace the UK judicial code.

You have loads of previous enfit for xenophobia tilting towards racism and sometimes crossing the line.

Ian Munro - Member
Most evening's I get young naked women dancing in the woods opposite worshipping whatever wica people worship.

"None of which will ever replace the UK judicial code"

I don't agree

TJ is your Guardian PC Protection software still enabled?

Hatred of Islamics is racism by generally accepted definitions.

Islam is a pretty new mass religion in a country which was getting pretty secular. Its adherents are drawn (to a very large extent) from people belonging to ethnic groups who have become established in the country relatively recently. There is a certain amount of theological justification (albeit hotly disputed) for a deranged element which causes quite a lot of mayhem and makes some highly inflammatory political demands. While the bulk of the group is very well behaved considering the levels of hostility and deprivation that they face, pollsters seem quite readily to find evidence of a disconcertingly widespread hostility to British society, and a degree of sympathy for the violent whack-jobs who cause mayhem.

That there is a degree of mistrust of them and their loudspeakers from people who do not feel equally threatened by the bells of a medieval parish church calling old ladies to sunday prayers and flower-arranging is not entirely surprising. If these chaps are going to be a major feature of our scene there is probably a need for quite a lot more understanding all round. 😐

Some of the comments on Shira law make intersting reading, can anyone post a link to a site that lays out the basics in a way the average numpty can understand?

Genuine request, not a piss take.

Enfit - then produce some evidence. There is absolutely no chance of sharia law ever becoming part of the UK judicial process.

And why the **** should I feel the need to prove my opinion to YOU of all people?

You're not that important in the whole scheme of things tbh, get over yourself

This thread was a troll, and I knew my view would probably cause the rock you're under to move but so ****in what.

You're arguing about 2 different things. Enfht claimed that a growing proportion of British muslims [i]want[/i] sharia law in the UK. I'm not trawling round for a poll to prove it, but I've a recollection of that claim being made also. I'm quite prepared to believe it's arguable. Meanwhile, TJ is [i]clearly[/i] right that the idea that a new Bradford-based caliph will be forcing our women into burkhas and stoning the adulterous ones any time soon is far-fetched.

I bet if some white American rednecks invented Islam the liberal multi-cultural cheer leaders would see it very differently. Confusing religion and racism is seriously ****ing stupid.