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4d - in desperation tj resorts to personal insults claiming that shows how strong his argument is.
Shall we see who can be most imaginative in the name calling stakes. Maybe instead of debate you should head straight to the name calling, cut out the middle man so to speak?
God I'm bored today - even picking on tj isn't helping
To be fair to New Labour, who were obviously a bunch of scumbags (not that the Conservatives wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq though), Cameron employed, just before an election someone with a lot of media contacts who it was well known (and Cameron was warned) was under suspicion of obtaining information in very illegal ways about lots of people in the public eye, including pretty much all of the current cabinet.
So, the obvious suspicion is that given Coulson almost certainly knew stuff about Labour politicians based on hacking their phones, Cameron may well have had access to information that was gained from phone hacking. Possibly unknowingly, but he was clearly pretty careless about the whole thing, given he was warned about Coulson way back. So potentially we are talking an opposition party who ran their political campaign based on information gained by hacking the phones of the government. Last time something similar came to light, it was the Watergate affair, and was seen as quite a big deal.
4e - the jimster wheels out the piffle'n'plonker wind ups, then when people respond he pulls the 'oooh they're all attacking me' ploy 😆
BigButSlimmerBloke
Shall we see who can be most imaginative in the name calling stakes. Maybe instead of debate you should head straight to the name calling, cut out the middle man so to speak?
Wazzock
Daily Mail? Draw your own cross-hairs
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Calm down, ladies. I've been informed that the forum pixie is "sick" of all the arguing... apparently.
BigButSlimmerBlokeShall we see who can be most imaginative in the name calling stakes. Maybe instead of debate you should head straight to the name calling, cut out the middle man so to speak?
cocklobster
I think the place I'd like to be right now is in the Private Eye offices. Hislop must be like my kids on Christmas morning. I wonder if his face will actually fold in on itself from all the grinning. That's the place to be I reckon.
I don't really get
would you care to explain?cocklobster
Englishman
Is there any way that Piers Morgan can be dragged into this sorry mess
Piers Morgan, ex tabloid editor does seem rather quiet on the whole subject doesn't he. I wonder why.
Shame Andrew Neill isn't involved:
The Politics Show makes me want to hurt people.
Oh my God I can't BELIEVE you suggested that! I NEVER took any cash!
Honestly. Sort of.
I've just read through the whole Richardson vs W.Mids police 2011 case. You can't just apply that judgement to any situation where some turns up at a police station to get arrested. There is far more to it than that.
Colleague at work (estate where NI have their offices - been on the TV every day since Friday evening) told me he was sitting outside the main tenancy having a fag when the silver Range Rover pulled up and out stepped the Dirty Digger and a bodyguard. They walked towards him, but the bodyguard turned back to get something out of the car. As Murdoch walked past, he exchanged a "Hello", then my colleague stepped into the [i]same slot[/i] in the revolving door, right behind Murdoch.
He said "We shuffled forward like a couple of penguins. I nearly had his shoes off."
I said "You should have shafted him and then said "There you go, how do YOU like it?""...
Next day, he started using the loading bay to make his entrances and escapes....
Rebbekah Brooks now arrested
They are going down!
Getting interesting. I suppose how far things go will be influenced by how dirty the Met's hands are.
But did the MET arrest her so she couldn't be questioned by C.M.S Committee....?
piha - Member
But did the MET arrest her so she couldn't be questioned by C.M.S Committee....?
My thoughts exactly. Convenient, innit?
That suspicion has been voiced publicly by Michael Watts on the Beeb and the peculiar-looking guy with the white bouffant on Sky.
surely if arrested she can now claim all issues are sub judice and therefore decline to answer.
If there was MET collusion with News International before, and there almost certainly was, along with, or even because of, political/government collusion, then there is no possibility of MET collusion with News International now, since the meltdown at Wapping started - there is simply too much attention and scrutiny of this story for this to be feasible.
Plus of course senior police officers and politicians are no longer scared of Rupert Murdoch/Rebbekah Brooks/News International and the power they once wielded, so doing their bidding is no longer necessary. And I'm sure it has been accepted that some coppers heads will have to roll - indeed that it is imperative for that to happen to regain the trust of the public.
IMO
Good grief!
Hmmm...didn't see that one coming...at least not yet. Jeez...heads are rolling.
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I suddenly feel like we're on the edge of a cliff. The institutions fail. The government falls. The UK implodes in a constitutional crisis and then...
The Euro goes down the toilet.
A perfect storm.
EDIT: What tyres?
EDIT: What tyres?
Something with lots of grip and the ability to hold its line through any amount of slurry. Nobby Nics? Or Maxxis Swampthings?
only super tacky swampthings will do.
It does feel like OMFSM who next. There will be some coppers in the sheeete in the next few weeks I reckon.
EDIT anyway Sir Paul Stephenson has only resigned his post as head of met, I suspect he is still effectively a copper and will still have a job.
I think there are more to go yet - more senior coppers and Cameron must be kakking himself
Yup plenty of politicians will be mixed up in this. I think there will be a few of of your labour chums to be outed yet too. I've never felt such lucious schadenfreude. I'm really looking forward to tomorrows guardian..
Indeed. I may have to take out a new subscription to private eye
All I can say is Ha flipping ha. Serves them right.
I still wonder what goes through a journo's mind as he writes an expose on some hapless individual, do they really think that some day it wont come back and bite them on the arse. I hope they all get screwed.
plenty of politicians will be mixed up in this.
Will there be ? If there was any collusion between politicians and News International to suppress the initial fallout concerning the phone hacking, then I suspect it's probably very few, possibly just the last two prime ministers and the mayor of London. But I have yet to be convinced that this was the case. I doubt whether Brooks/News International would have wanted to deal with any politician much below the rank of PM.
And it should not be understated the power that Murdoch/Brooks/News International were able to exercise over the government, and therefore possibly also, the police.
It has been suggested that Cameron employed Andy Coulson against his better judgement due to specific instructions to do so by Rebekah Brooks. Clearly News International saw the benefit of "their man" at the heart of Downing Street, plus also the PR benefit of Andy Coulson appearing to be exonerated of any wrong doing concerning the phone hacking by being employed by the Prime Minister.
The claim is plausible imo, it would have taken a brave Prime Minister to defy News International. Cameron, as others before him, doesn't strike me as being one of those.
cameron must be very relieved brooks wont be testifying at the select committee this week, it would have put his close relationship with brooks, coulson and possibly wallis under scrutiny that callmedave might find very awkward
so if cameron were to go* does that mean clegg would become pm?
* not that it will come to that
so if cameron were to go* does that mean clegg would become pm?* not that it will come to that
Don't know, they've all tried to keep a lid on things for ages, I think rather a lot of standard practice is currently coming to life and anyone getting caught up is going to get covered in sh1t. PM's have gone for less (don't ask me for examples, this is the tinternet not the apprentice, talking of which but was it me or were all their business plans weak to the point of feeble? Susan in particular obviously had zero concepts of regulation. Mind you in my experience most very senior people don't see the need to understand the limitations on what they are allowed to do which nicely brings me back to NOTW, police and politicians).
so if cameron were to go* does that mean clegg would become pm?
I think if Cameron was forced out it would be very hard to avoid an election. I can only see him being forced out after loosing a vote in the commons and I don't see Clegg being able to get teh support required.
I suppose Cameron could resign without bringing down the government but I don't see him doing that.
PM's have gone for less (don't ask me for examples, this is the tinternet not the apprentice
I can't actually think of any PM's that have resigned mid-term since Suez (I'm not counting John Major's faux-resignation or TB being ousted by GB). Before that, Neville Chamberlain?
So a disastrous war would be a problem, but suspect hiring policies? Probably not.
sir paul is being bitchy about dave and even theresa tho...
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/18/sir-paul-stephenson-turns-david-cameron ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/18/sir-paul-stephenson-turns-david-cameron[/url]
Wow!
Mr Cameron says there is no comparison between his appointment of Andy Coulson and Neil Wallis’s role with the Met
🙄
oh joy, yates is being replassed by Cressida Dick, isnt she the one who was in charge of the de menezes operation?!
i bet his family will have something to say about that
Who is next? Looking forward to the select committee tomorrow 🙂
Looking forward to the select committee tomorrow
wow, living the dream 😉
wow, living the dream
There's nothing I won't masturbate over
I think its the gift that's going to keep on giving. Now that some high profile people are seriously running the risk of getting sent down, I expect the blame-storming to start in earnest
"It wasn't me wot dun it! It were'er!" etc etc
Who is next? Looking forward to the select committee tomorrow
Why? It's essentially been cut off at the knees due to Mrs Brooks being arrested on Sunday, as now she can play the sub- judice card.
🙄Mr Yates resigned after being told he would be suspended as his conduct was being referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, the Metropolitan Police Authority confirms.
Teddy / pram / gone?
binners - MemberI think its the gift that's going to keep on giving.
Indeed. schadenfreude is great 🙂
I don't think she can - I doubt it actually changes in any way what she can or cannot say that is in the committes remit to askas now she can play the sub- judice card.
don't know enough for sure but non of the commmentators seems to be saying this.
I don't think she can refuse to answer a commons committee question.
don't know enough for sure.....
Don't let that get in the way TJ.
Jamie - its a whole new situation. No one knows right now - there will be lots of people desperately trying to work it out.
Liberal Democrat MP Adrian Sanders, a member of the select committee, questioned the timing of the latest arrest.
"In whose interest was it for this arrest to take place before Tuesday? Because if it does impede what we can ask, ................... We don't know how much this is going to impede our questioning until we've been able to sit down and talk it through with the parliamentary counsel."
As has been pointed out by people far more cynical than I - They've had since 2003 to arrest and question her, why do it yesterday?
Even if its isn't the whole far-too-cosy NI/Police relationship at work, that's certainly exactly what it looks like to anyone with some grey matter between their ears
[i]Rebekah Brooks' lawyer Stephen Parkinson says his client is "not guilty of any criminal offence", but claims the position of the Met Police is "less easy to understand".
"They will in due course have to [u]give an account of their actions and in particular their decision to arrest her[/u] with the enormous reputational damage that this has involved."[/i]
Told Ya!
of course her lawyer would say that 🙄
My handy lawyer says that they quite likely did arrest her deliberately to stop her testifying at the select committee, in order to avoid her being forced to incriminate herself in public at a point where she was not under caution. Supposedly that could make problems for any criminal case against her. Select committees being different to a judge led enquiry in that people are just effectively having a chat.
Joe
Mr Cameron says there is no comparison between his appointment of Andy Coulson and Neil Wallis’s role with the Met
he is correct the Met men who have gone did not directly employ the media person and were not personally warned of the dangers of this. Nor did they appoint someone who had resigned from their position due to the tapping of phones so he does have a point. They are not the same.
Mr Johnson [london mayor] told a news conference at City Hall in London: "I believe that both decisions are regrettable but I would say that in both cases the right call has been made."There is absolutely nothing that has been proven against the probity or the professionalism of either man.
He was funny on today explaining why these had to go but dave could stay.
Cameron will be doing well to survive this IMHO.Once the boot gets put in to the murdochs tomorrow I would expect them to settle some scores and take someone with them.
His judgement has been very poor on this issue whether he weathers the storm remains to be seen.
[url= http://www1.politicalbetting.com/ ]4/1 odds of borris replacing cameron if he goes before the end of the year odds of which are 7/1[/url]
judge led inquirys are often perceived as civerups/ whitewashes, rather than a good public spitroasting and pelting in the stocks of the select comittee
edit its also a bit ironic that cameron has had to cut short a trip to nigeria, home of the 192 scam, due to allegations of corruption at home
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare ]why does this not surprise me.[/url]
As much as Cameron going is a deranged lefty fantasy....
4/1 odds of borris replacing cameron if he goes before the end of the year odds of which are 7/1
....Boris would be awesome. 😯 😀
Am I missing something, or is Boris not being an MP a considerable obstacle to his becoming PM?
just parachute him in to a safe seat. offer sir bufton tufton a nice little directorship or two to retire and leave the seat for him
This is getting really scary now, Boris as PM??!!!?????!!!
This is getting scary now - people being found dead who are related to the case.
Though the investigations are ongoing and I am not suggesting impropriety, what immense pressure must someone be under to commit suicide?
This is a very, very murky affair.
So the replacement for John Yates is Cressida Dick ....... the operational commander on the day that an innocent man had bullets pumped into his head on a tube train by the MET - who then attempted to cover up the deed with a litany of lies suggesting that he had run away from the police, failed to stop when told to do so, worn "excessively warm clothes" etc.
Am I suppose to have confidence in her ? 😕
Did the fibs come from her Ernie or others? I don't remember. She was the operational commander I know
She was the operational commander
Yep, on the day that the MET committed a historical cock-up.........and attempted a memorable cover-up.
Isn't this scandal and all these people resigning all about people saying "I didn't know what was happening on my watch so I now feel obliged to resign" ?
yeah but shes a paid up member of 'common purpose' which is a management equivalent of the masons/scientoligists/illuminati
Well as far as I can see the lies did not come from her but from others - mainly Ian Blair and she appears to be well thought of generally.
Lee Jasper, the mayor of London's director on equalities and policing, said: "She is a firefly - small, diminutive and red-hot. She is not into flamboyant gestures but she is an exceptional officer and a tough cookie."
John Tanner, council leader at the time, said: "She was like a breath of fresh air - progressive, liberal, intelligent, full of new ideas. She was very good at not over-policing protests and demonstrations. But at the same time she worked with us to expand the use of CCTV and to address crime on the estates."
Remember she was exonerated by a jury of any personal blame and no whiff of corruption surrounds her so far as I can see.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/sep/15/menezes.ukcrime
she was exonerated by a jury of any personal blame
Ah I see - blameless. And I guess that if on that fateful day the MET had shot and killed an Al-Qaeda terrorist, as opposed to a wholly innocent man, she wouldn't have taken any of the credit at all ? That's how it works isn't it ?
This is getting scary now - people being found dead who are related to the case.Though the investigations are ongoing and I am not suggesting impropriety, what immense pressure must someone be under to commit suicide?
This is a very, very murky affair.
Remind you of anything? Dr David Kelly spring to mind?
Dr David Kelly spring to mind?
yes.. murkier and murkier
Blacker than black.
National scandal unfolds; whistle-blower found dead no apparent cause; implicated police force says it's not suspicious. What did he know?
Time for the tin foil hat again.
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Oh look, something else that Thatcher set in motion has come back to bite us on the Ar*e.
Still may not be all bad news as it has happened on "Cameron's watch".
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/mystery-bag-bin-rebekah-brooks ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/mystery-bag-bin-rebekah-brooks[/url]
the suns website has been hacked........
www.thesun.co.uk/
well there was briefly a link to a cloned sun front page saying murdoch had been found dead
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Well if you got to the sun now (@23:14 monday night), you get redirected to the lulz twitter feed. How funny!
just comne across this
Disgraced former News International boss Rebekah Brooks intervened to persuade David Cameron to make ex-News of the World editor Andy Coulson his spin doctor, it was claimed last night
Hardly the most reliable of sources even tho its a tory paper but this is the killer blow if this can be proven or a really credible witness comes forward.... Or Brooks will testify to avoid jail......
to be fair there is a bitchfight going on between ni & brooks vs daily mail & paul dacre
while dacre has bravely stated no daily mail stories were based on hacked info
i do wonder if the wider tabloid press will be ignored as the shitstorm centres around ni
and the sad death of sean hoare made me wonder if someone like this might be involved
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im not being flippant i think that the shaddow lines plot is made even more believable as more corruption and collusion is exposed in the press and police