[Closed] north wales police

Ha Ha Brunstrom is a fekin looney mate. We've got a mounted division as well now for gods sake!! As if Wrexham get enough of a footy crowd to cause trouble

i now where i,d like to fekin mount him.

20% over the limit and you're whinging about getting a ticket? I'd have shot you on sight, never mind a ticket 😉

A driving thread!!

*awaits goan* 🙂

They must be one of the most despised forces in the country. I wonder what they tell people they do for a living down the local pub?

I got done in Bala last year. Because my licence is a Northern Irish one I was asked to change it as I am now resident here. I told them to stick it as I was resident wherever I pleased in the UK. They're not happy but can't do owt about it. My licence is still registered at my 'home' address in N.I. and that's the way it's going to stay.

Should explain - they can't put the points on my licence as it's apparently made of Teflon!

You broke the law, got caught have been punished. No ones fault but yours.

lol @ shortbread

[i]*awaits goan*[/i]

He'll not make it he's doing his daily quota to reach 1,000,000 miles.

Drac - Member
You broke the law, got caught have been punished. No ones fault but yours.

At least you're consistent Drac 😉

 

If your caught speeding it's as simple as that, I know was when I got caught.

i HATE north wales police. All they're bothered about is speeding! There was a murder in flint the other day don't they know?!

I was reading the local wrexam paper and speeding is a problem... a bloke in hawarden has hit his own gatepost "several times" when pulling out onto the road "because the cars travel quickly". there was a photo of him looking at the damage to his car...I had to laugh at the bloke as he didnt seem to think that him hitting his own gatepost had anything to do with his driving ability....or lack of...

staffordshire aren't much better. a mobile camera to get people 50 yards before a gatso as they came into a 40 from a 60, on a rural dual cariageway. ba5tards. burn them all, and their cameras

If you can't do the time don't do the crime. It ain't rocket science

well strike me down and burn me at the stake.6mph god i,m evil.

ha! Yeh I'm sure all you honest people have never broken a speed limit!

T18 you got it.kettle black and all that crap.
hope they get hit soon.

I have broken the speed limit loads. I have even been caught and fined. I have never bleated about it being unfair. The rules are there and you should know what they are. If you chose to break them you risk being caught and fined. MTFU and take the hit.

who said it was unfair.d/h

robhughes - Member

2 speeding tickets in two weeks ahhhhhhh.
........no wonder they have the reputation they,ve got.god i hate them.
usless rant but well anoyed.
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sounds to me like you are blaming the police for upholding the law.

Upholding the law is one thing - using a part of 'the law' as a levy is quite another. No problem with police stopping motorists for breaking the law as long as they catch as many crims....

TandemJeremy - Member
If you can't do the time don't do the crime. It ain't rocket science

Not always true.

NWPD can be crap. Brunstrom seems to be an arsehole.

Tj.you plod or wot.

JulianA - Member
NWPD can be crap. Brunstrom seems to be an arsehole.

He is supposed to be retiring this autumn?

Though in 14 years of driving in North Wales I have no points or even been stopped by the Heddlu!

I think its mostly down to observation and intuition about the road conditions/dangers as in 27 years I have only ever had 3 points & that was in my 2nd year of driving when I thought I knew it all, I didn't and still don't but I learnt from it and hopefully improved?

Oh I still probably drive faster than I should, just I seem to be within the law when any enforcement measures are in the vicinity!

No I am not plod. I am aware Brunstom is a numpty and is perhaps a little keen on policing roads with zero tolerance.

I merely dislike folk bleating abut being done for speeding. its really simple to eliminate the risk of prosecution - don't speed.

Any argument about it being unfair is bogus. Break the speed limits, get caught, get fined, put up with it.

don't bleat about it. Its not a trap. its not a trick. Its a law with a penalty for breaking it.

Over the years I think I have been done 4 times - each time I paid my fine and went on my way. No ones fault but mine.

[i]Yeh I'm sure all you honest people have never broken a speed limit! [/i]

Never illegally in a 30, only legally. I would never and never speed in a 30.

nevere crept over 30.yer we all belive you

Rob I've been done before by N Wales plod a couple of times within 6 months so can sympathise but I have to say I'm with TJ on this one. If you live in N Wales then you must know they're over zealous so you can't really complain when you're caught. I think from your post you're just as annoyed at yourself for letting it happen especially the second time.

I wish something was done about the bloody idiots who seem to ignore the 30 limit in our village. Trying to cross the road with the pram is interesting at times due to the plebs driving at warp factor ridiculous. I may put my foot down on the motorway but when it comes to residential areas I stay well within or below the limit. Prime example of why. I was driving along at about 15mph when a kiddy decided he wanted to cross the road whilst I was approaching luckily I was able to stop well before him. Now if I had been going the speeds some twunts drive around our estate (bearing in mind they have kids too) at that kiddy would have been toast!
Here endeth my high horse 😆

I visit my Gran in Holyhead every year and have been told to be careful about my speed - so far so good but I do wonder if I spend too much time watching my speed that I might not spend enough time watching for bad drivers who might cause me problems.

I'm still constantly amazed by the number of people who can't keep to a constant speed when driving or am I strange in heving learnt to take my foot off the right pedal sometimes and to listen to the engine in order to help stay at the same speed?

hampshire police are doing my t1ts in!! every sunday a31 near bighton every friday a31 hogs back where it goes from a 70 to a 60 there 100m or so in to it!!

BURN THEM

I'm still constantly amazed by the number of people who can't keep to a constant speed when driving

I too am surprised that we haven't had the usual suspects chipping in with claims that maintaining a legal speed and paying attention to the road simultaneously is beyond them.

I think you are very brave Rob. Putting your hand up to what many of us see as a serious crime. Twice. now thats stupid. I'd have given 9 points for the first and several years ban for the second. Idiot

I'm still constantly amazed by the number of people who can't keep to a constant speed when driving

That's what cruise control is for 😀

I got caught by a camera once.

The road had recently been revised to a 30 from a 40.

I was doing 40, didn't see the new sign, which was very small, and got kodak'd.

Turns out the Police had been naughty, they should never have erected that camera where it was, and since then it has been removed.

Word was people who'd been caught by that particular camera could get their points removed because the camera shouldn't have been there.

I didn't bother. I was doing 40 spot-on (where once you were allowed to do so) in what had become a 30. I was, unintentionaly speeding.

Strange thing is, the road hasn't been changed. Just one day, whomever makes these decisions, decided to reduce the limit form 40 to 30.

Its just my opinion, but speeding in a 30 is very bad. As we all know, 30s are usually for urban areas where pedestrians may be. Its the presence of peds in urban 30s which is why I stick to the 30 more strictly than any other speed limit. You can't justify speeding past people who are just a few feet from your car.
Thats my view on 30s.

CC.

Better getting caught and fined than killing someone you didn't have to and having to live with it.

I was fairly convinced I'd been caught considerably over the limit by the NWP (massive long stretch of NSL open country road, going downhill with no side roads), spotted a white van in the distance with blacked out windows parked facing up the hill but it never clicked. As the van was parked in a 30 or maybe 40 limit I'd slowed to the limit at that point to below the limit (I especially dont like, and always do my best not to, speed in residential areas) - as I passed the van I spotted it was the police with a laser/camera out of the window. I went home expecting a banning, but with no-one but myself to blame/curse/swear at. But it turns out they were very nice and presumably because I slowed for the village they never sent me a nasty letter. More than fair I thought!

Getting caught speeding twice in as many weeks would suggest that you aren't as good at sticking to the speed limit as you say you are. And seeing as most car speedos over-read slightly, you probably thought you were going slightly faster.

Boo hoo, the Police caught you breaking the law. I'd be more annoyed with myself than with them.

Given the amount of people I see driving over 70mph on the motorway I'm sure there are a few on here who don't stick to the speed limits.... Anyway, my problem which I need to snap out of is driving at the speed of the traffic I'm in so do find myself going over the limit at times.

I lived in North Wales foF thirty years and found them to be useless,unless its anything road traffic related then they do not want to know. I had a bike stolen and when i tried to approach a parked police car with two officers in it they sped off - the same two then turned up to my house when i went back in to phone for someone to come and investigate and they said they dorve off because they felt threatened??. I could go on for hours with stories - chills with a coffee after mild rant.

[i]nevere crept over 30.yer we all belive you [/i]

Crept? Yeah maybe but 6mph over in a 30 is more of a stampede then creeping.

Drac
"Never illegally in a 30, only legally. "
Yes because its legal to drive as fast as you like if you've got a blue light isn't it!
Explain how its legal.

Drivers of Emergency vehicles are specially trained and have exemptions to the law that you don't have.
Ergo it is legal to drive as fast as the road permits and is necessary to do your job.

Or will you ask that the ambulance driver who turns up to rescue you from a bike accident be prosecuted for reaching you too quickly?

"Drivers of Emergency vehicles are specially trained and have exemptions to the law that you don't have."
Are you sure?
Here, shropshire Ambo drivers and paramedics receive not additional driver training other than their driving licence. (PM have honda 4x4's and 330d tourings)
Exemption to the law, i'd don't think so. They don't have a right to drive illegally, they have a duty to be safe.

"Or will you ask that the ambulance driver who turns up to rescue you from a bike accident be prosecuted for reaching you too quickly"
No, he drove safely to me, I assume as i've not heard of a procecution and we ambled back to the hospital, as i wasn't going to die from a broken leg.

To point being that these guys have to be safe and take account for their actions, comments like yours and Drac's along the lines of "i'll go as fast as i can because i won't held responsible for any death or injury", high lights a problem with driver attitude. A ambo / paramedic's 1st job is to get there safely.

Anyone that gets caught in the UK where they have to paint the camea BRIGHT ****ING ORANGE or put a big sign up saying SPEED CAMERAS IN OPERATION is a ****ing moron and deservs to be fined.

Try other ****ries in Europe where they are hidden in trees and bins.

bling bling

Perhaps they should put up signs warning tea leafs not to rob people - that would do it.
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i have two questions for you:

1 - what was your speedo reading when they clocked you? Because all my speedos read around 10% over.
2 - where were you looking when they caught you? It is pretty hard to miss the dude in the flouro jacket - twice.

Now I'm no saint (3 points on my license) but the difference between 30 and 36 is quite a lot. when I did my emergency driving course we had to drive on a runway at 30 mile an hour, an instructer threw a cone in front of the vehicle and you had to stop before you hit it. at 30mph this was easy. at 35mph i flattened the cone and came to a stop about 4 meters further up the track. short, sharp shock into slowing down a bit. there's also some formula that shows that the kinetic force on a human body at 40mph is 50%more than 30mph or some such figures.

that said, GATSO's are just money generation boxes, if it was really about road safety then they'd use the averag speed check cameras.

[i]Exemption to the law, i'd don't think so. They don't have a right to drive illegally, they have a duty to be safe.[/i]

Which is exactly what I said:
Ergo it is legal to drive as fast [b]as the road permits and is necessary to do your job.[/b] Not "drive like hell at all costs"
There have been a few fairly high profile cases of police officers being done for speeding either when there was no need to do so or when the speed involved was excessive/inappropriate. Quite rightly so too.

Anyone that gets caught in the UK where they have to paint the camea BRIGHT ****ING ORANGE or put a big sign up saying SPEED CAMERAS IN OPERATION is a ****ing moron and deservs to be fined.

- where were you looking when they caught you? It is pretty hard to miss the dude in the flouro jacket - twice.

To be fair the the OP this is north wales we are talking about and the do hide the vans. So well that in 2007 over 300 NW wales police vehicles were caught by their own cameras. Bit its all ok, non of these cars were on blues and two's and no drivers were fined or recieved points.
One rule for us and one rule for them.

Up here they give the police the points.

Crazy legs - can you show this exemption you speak of and some more details of the ambo drivers special training?

"There have been a few fairly high profile cases of police officers being done for speeding either when there was no need to do so or when the speed involved was excessive/inappropriate. Quite rightly so too. "

Or not, i'm from shropshire remember where the coppers can do 151mph on a DC and 89mph in 30 so they can be familiar with a new car. Convicted and overturned at appeal.

Up here they give the police the points.

Thats why people ****ing hate Branson and the NWP.
Highhest conviction rate for speeding, but still in most dangerous place to drive top ten.
Oddly enough, and sure its not connected N/Wales is a good to rob house, if you can find one that hasn't been done over. Very low conviction rate for burgulary. Just don't speed away from the scene.

Oddly enough, and sure its not connected N/Wales is a good to rob house, if you can find one that hasn't been done over. Very low conviction rate for burgulary. Just don't speed away from the scene

Arent the traffic cops a different branch to the general plod?

Police officers DO NOT HAVE an exemption to drive at speed. If they have blue lights on and do 50 in a 30mph and they can, will and HAVE been prosecuted if they have been in the wrong. Standard police drivers do a 3 week course to drive ith blue lighs on, the advanced traffic officers do 5 weeks of seriously hard driving. Police officers will regularly get points if they break the law, they also have a police licence which can receive points for things such as minor incidents, reversing car and causing damage etc etc.

Section 87 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

Exemption of fire brigade, ambulance and police vehicles from speed limits

(1) No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used for fire and rescue authority, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion.

(2)Subsection (1) above applies in relation to a vehicle being used—
(a)for Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes, or
(b)for training persons to drive vehicles for use for Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes,
as it applies in relation to a vehicle being used for police purposes.

(3)But (except where it is being used for training the person by whom it is being driven) subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to a vehicle by virtue of subsection (2) above unless it is being driven by a person who has been trained in driving vehicles at high speeds.

The relevant sections of the Road Traffic Act 1988 relating to dangerous/careless driving and related offences still apply.

[i]Comments like yours and Drac's along the lines of "i'll go as fast as i can because i won't held responsible for any death or injury", high lights a problem with driver attitude. A ambo / paramedic's 1st job is to get there safely. [/i]

That is nothing like what I said at all thank you very much.

What training do we do? Well by law all Ambulance staff who will be driving with blue lights have to do a 2 week advance driver course, no matter where thye are in the country. It was originally the Police driving course the same as Police do for Panda cars, that's the one I did, since then it's changed slightly to adapt for larger vehicles.

Can we speed, yes when safe to do so and as long as we are sensible. How do I know this is legal? Well having been called to court some years back following a car crashing into me it was all fine despite me being over the speed limit. It was deemed I was doing it safe and as had the lights and sirens on was legal too. Now please tell me why you know other wise rather than your misconception?

I hate speed trapping police. ****5

They have quotas that need to be achieved each month though - all funds go straight to Whitehall (so a senior copper told me who is a mate of my brothers)

When I recently came back from France to Plymouth, I could have lost my driving licence within about 8 miles of the port, the shear number of speed cameras there and we only saw one in France in 300 miles of driving over there.

b'stards.

Speeding rarley cause accidents it only makes the damage caused worse. Anyone that has seen the damage a ton and a half of metal can do to a few stone of flesh and blood would not complain about 6 points and 120quid for doing 20% over the speed limit. If it was down to me you would get a short ban and take an advanced test before getting your licence back. Then again the ****t that killed 4 of my clubmates only got a 180quid fine and 3 points, so maybe you can be forgiven for feeling sorry for yourself.

What did you expect to get for speeding , and ignoreing the large signs with a figure in them .
Bloody Tesco clubcard points.

Although the police do get clubcard points on their fuel at Tesco Wrexham,

At least here in UK it's easy to notice the camera. If you can't see it go to Vision Express pronto.

Anyone that gets caught in the UK where they have to paint the camea BRIGHT ****ING ORANGE or put a big sign up saying SPEED CAMERAS IN OPERATION is a ****ing moron and deservs to be fined.

Just for the record, the so called 'professional' drivers who have done'advanced' driving courses, can be confident that the techniques they have been taught are about 25 years out of date! Lets be honest who the hell feeds the wheel except learner drivers and the plod? Far better drivers than the plod realised years ago that this is inefficient and does not give the best control.

RaveyDavey - I am pretty confident that they're not out of date.

Who are these far better drivers than the class one plod drivers? In a race car with a quick rack yes you can keep your hands at opposite sides of the wheel, but if you do that in a car with a normal rack, you'll soon run out of steering.

Ravey davey. So you know better than the police advanced drivers? Universally aknowledged to be some of the safest and fasted drivers in the world. When tested ( as I have seen in several magazines) against racers both car and bike they come out extremely well. No one who know anything about fast safe driving has anything but respect for the skills of the police advanced drivers.

TJ - that'll be because a large proportion of them are racers.

If you want to pay a fine then don't do the crime

Don't speed & you won't get caught,simples 8)

It's a but like the baddy in Scoobydoo when he says at the end...."I'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky (kids)coppers/speed cameras or whatever.......

For the record,I have been known to drive at a speed that may have been over the speed limit once or twice,won't moan about when or if I do get caught speeding though....

TJ - that'll be because a large proportion of them are racers.

Yes and wouldn't have been doing their woodentops driving at the time

Been caught being a naughty boy once or twice have we RaveyDavey?

[i]Lets be honest who the hell feeds the wheel except learner drivers and the plod? [/i]

I have no idea but adavanced driving doesn't teach to feed the wheel as it's for learners.

[i]can be confident that the techniques they have been taught are about 25 years out of date! [/i]

Police and Ambulance advanved driving was reviewed about 5 years ago so your a good way off the mark.

Being a 30 limit I'm guessing it was in an urban area ? The type of place where you have vehicles mixing with dozy pedestrians, cyclists, kids, lots of junctions yadda yadda. So if 30's too slow for you then what should the limit be ? 40 ? 50 ? And if the limit was higher then do you think everyone would keep to it like they obviously do ( 🙄 ) when it's 30 ? Urban speeders are reet shakers 😀

I don't teach feeding the wheel and it is not necessary to use it in order to pass a driving test.

You must Goan RaceyDavey said so.

Like every other aspect of driving I give my punters a number of ways to do things and then encourage them to think about which technique is best in any given situation. I can't stand lazy drivers that don't think about what they're doing. For steering they tend to go for pull-push at low speed and a combination of that and fixed rotational at higher speeds. Manoeuvres they tend to have arms flailing about all over the place. 😉

J turns should be in the test

Been caught being a naughty boy once or twice have we RaveyDavey?

Sorry to disappoint but never been caught in 28 years of driving. Saying that I never break the 30 speed limit because killing pedestrians wouldn't be good for my buddhist beliefs.

c

Posted 23 hours ago

To possibly elaborate , this was a few years ago and was the Rhyl cycling club, in north wales, when the council failed to grit a raod, and a driver with a defective tyre, skidded across the road, and killed 4 riders one a young lad.
Yet he just got a petty fine.

Speed kills,even the highly trained police and fire service kill people while driveing at speed , despite blue lights and sirens.