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did he play a part in the dramatic increase in small boat crossings? Yes he did.
This relies on you ignoring the fact that small boats existed before Brexit, that the rise of small boats is more to do with better intervention on ferries and trains than Brexit, that Farage wasn't the only or main player in Brexit, and that it's really the French and UK governments that are responsible for the stream of small boats.
It also enables Farage to paint himself as the King of Brexit (which remains quite popular with a hard core of voters), to say that UKG hasn't delivered the Brexit you voted for (whatever that is), and that you can't trust the slippery French and Europeans to deliver anything so why would we want to snuggle back up to them anyway?
Brexit was a huge success for Farage - and you want to refight the Brexit debate in his preferred mode of communication?
Before brexit we could return folk who arrived irregularly ( tho we didn't much) and of coursed had much better co operation with EU police and immigration authorities
Other major (bigger) issue is that post Brexit we are no longer part of EUs Asylum seeker database, which includes fingerprints, makes the UK much more desireable as if theyve had a claim rejected in another EU country we dont know and dont know the reasons why, so they get a second shot here, also works other way, if claim fails here, no way to pass that info onto EU
either way wouldnt an asylum seeker try their luck with a UK claim
Farage Boats is absolutely right
I'm finding it hard to argue with you at this point.
Its not that hard, nothing is going to see Farage in No10 quicker than inflation running at Truss levels and pension funds collapsing
None of the Magic Monetary Theorists are able to explain how a government that went massive on a spending spree wouldnt see the markets react exactly as they did to Truss
None of the Magic Monetary Theorists are able to explain how a government that went massive on a spending spree wouldnt see the markets react exactly as they did to Truss
That one is easy.
The pension regulators have banned the pension funds from carrying out the kind of leveraged investments in gilts that resulted in the death spiral.
The B of E would also probably avoid doing a gilt sale the same week which was already resulting in market instability. Its possible even without the budget it would have resulted in the crisis.
So "exactly as they did" cant happen. Well at least until the regulators are told not to get in the way of the magic market since that always knows best.
nothing is going to see Farage in No10 quicker than inflation running at Truss levels
Oh I dunno, how about Truss levels of popularity? Latest polling suggests that Labour are now as unpopular as Liz Truss made the Tories.
Btw did you read in your link the claim made by the writer how unelected independent institutions place constraints on the government and make it almost impossible to develop a radical agenda?
Which in a democracy is obviously intolerable. What are Labour doing about that?
Or is a radical agenda out of the question for Labour and maintaining the illusion of having a democratic system fine with them?
nothing is going to see Farage in No10 quicker than inflation running at Truss levels
CPI has ticked up again under Labour quite dramatically. So Reeves has some nerve talking about these interest rate reductions which have been scant.
Its gravitating towards the interest rate, which it does over time. (Many will just not get that but it does unless there's a supply shock another external reason.)
Current bank rate 4%
Current inflation rate 3.8%
The interest rate sets the price level.
Best thing they could do is absolutely trim interest rates. No excuses. That would remove excess money from wealthy hands too.
It would lower inflation quicker (like in the EU - and reduce the yield curve of gilts.) I think inflation in the EU is 2.0%
Other major (bigger) issue is that post Brexit we are no longer part of EUs Asylum seeker database, ...Farage Boats is absolutely right
"We voted to take back control, and Labour and the Tories have both failed. Vote Reform".
If you want Farage to do well, make the election a fight about illegal immigration and Brexit, and put his name at the centre of it. Even non-Farage types will find an attempt to blame the UK and French governments' failure on Farage disingenuous.
So it turns Nigel Farage was right to after all. I have just had a procedure at my local NHS hospital. I dealt with a multitude of people and apart from one solitary receptionist every single one of them had a foreign accent.
They have taken over the NHS !
We can't say that Nigel Farage didn't warn us.
So it turns Nigel Farage was right to after all. I have just had a procedure at my local NHS hospital. I dealt with a multitude of people and apart from one solitary receptionist every single one of them had a foreign accent.
They have taken over the NHS !
We can't say that Nigel Farage didn't warn us.
Just imagine what kind of state we'll be in when they all get deported.
every single one of them had a foreign accent
Wondering out loud if Farage is only attracted to women with a foreign accent... while also warning the rest of us about people who are multilingual or speak with an accent. He's an odd one isn't he... almost like his whole career is just a calculated way to make money and gain influence, rather than something that comes from within him.
Just imagine what kind of state we'll be in when they all get deported.
I wouldn't worry about NHS staff with ILR being deported once he's in power... you'll be paying to go abroad to get your previously available on the NHS care anyway.
Wondering out loud if Farage is only attracted to women with a foreign accent...
Well I can understand the possible appeal that his wife's German accent might have had on him.
Although I shudder to think of the possible kinky stuff/role play they might have got up to.
He's an odd one isn't he... almost like his whole career is just a calculated way to make money and gain influence, rather than something that comes from within him.
I think it is a mix. He was following the time honoured professional tory mp route. Bit of time doing something else most likely in the city or maybe law then become an mp before he quite in opposition to some of the Europe policies at the time.
However once he made that move it has involved lots of money seeking, ideally for minimal effort (hence why being a rebel mep was perfect since you can sit on your arse and not doing anything and then complain about the results) but sometimes with a bit of work.
There were school reports of his racism, I don't think it is just political façade, it just happens that he has found a path for his twin interests of being a racist **** and lazy poshboy greed to work for him.
Whatever he might have been as a schoolboy (a very radically different youth is hardy unusual) I think today Nigel Farage is a politician who exploits racism and bigotry for his own political agenda rather than being inherently racist himself, something which the current leader of the Labour Party appears to be attempting to dabble in himself.
IMO no genuine white racist could ever work and get along with brown people to the degree that Nigel Farage does. He managed in just two days to get Zia Yusuf to reverse his very public resignation from Reform UK.
Yes Farage's relationship with people such as Zia Yusuf is one of convenience in which he sees the obvious benefits but it simply wouldn't work if Farage was instinctively and inherently racist. Genuinely white racist parties such as the BNP or Britain First have no place at all for brown and black people never mind ever tolerating them as party chairmens.
IMO what drives Nigel Farage is narcissism and a right-wing agenda, not racism, which is simply used as a useful vehicle. Probably not very different to Donald Trump and other demagogues.
according to various folk who know him he is very much an unrepentant racist regularly using racist terms in private conversations
the whole brexit campaign was based on racism
regularly using racist terms in private conversations
And right there is the issue, the liberal middle-class definition of "racism". I consider racism to be something much more tangible than being simply about language.
Such as some bollocks about "coloured people" being racist and offensive but "people of colour" being inclusive, warm, and cuddly.
It is precisely the sort of alienating nonsense that Nigel Farage thrives so effectively on.
according to various folk who know him he is very much an unrepentant racist regularly using racist terms in private conversations
Yup. He’s probably still racist. But he’s not really xenophobic… he’s successfully using people’s xenophobia to merge racism and xenophobia… giving people license to be both privately and publicly racist again, a jump back in time that many want. His problem isn’t people who talk with an accent, or are multilingual… but he uses the unease that many people feel about foreigners of all types to, er, white wash racism and gain support, money and power for himself. He’ll talk about immigration in general, but then who does he feature on his “breaking point” poster?
And language matters. What we call people, against their wishes, ignoring the loaded history of terms, is important. Anyone who claims otherwise is either old and unable to learn and adjust to the changes of the last 50 years. Or just a ****.
Shocker alert.
Reform's DOGE that said it would find millions being spent on green initiatives, DEI etc have found that bollocks doesn't translate into reality too well... and they will have to increase council tax by 5% just like most other councils.
I am astonished - but relieved - that the usually devious Reform propaganda machine hasn't pointed out the awkward truth that councils are failing due to a lack of funding from central government, and the way to resolve this is to elect Reform as the government so they can fix this. In a way to be announced at some future time.
It's an open goal they haven't spotted.
Such as some bollocks about "coloured people" being racist and offensive but "people of colour" being inclusive, warm, and cuddly.
It is precisely the sort of alienating nonsense that Nigel Farage thrives so effectively on.
N*****? and various other racist terms of a similar nature.
Well if your evidence of an extremely high profile politician constantly in the public eye being racist is based on undocumented claims of, quote, "using racist terms in private conversations", then it isn't very compelling, is it?
And as I point out anyway for some people the term "coloured people" is considered to be offensive and racist and for other people it is considered to be polite and acceptable.
I'll stick to my claim that Farage exploits racism and bigotry for political gain, a tactic which Keir Starmer now seems to be trying his hand at, rather than because he is inherently a white supremacist.
The opinions that Nigel Farage expresses on immigration and asylum seekers is almost identical, if not identical, to those of Suella Braverman, Priti Patel, and Kemi Badenoch, are we also going to accuse them of being racist?
Well if your evidence of an extremely high profile politician constantly in the public eye being racist is based on undocumented claims of, quote, "using racist terms in private conversations", then it isn't very compelling, is it?
I heard it from a taxi driver! 🤔
“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”
This kind of extreme language needs to stop. Calling Farage and his supporters racist/far right/fascist/nazis etc is going to get someone killed. By repeating it over and over people will start believing it to be true and sooner or later some lunatic is going to try and do something about it. If you had the chance to stop Hitler before he came to power why wouldn’t you take it?
It’s also a tactical mistake if you want your “side” to win. Most reasonable people, whether they agree with him or not, can see this is obvious nonsense. All you do by lying is make them suspicious of anything else you have to say and weaken your own arguments.
There are countless ways to criticise and attack Farage and Reform without smearing them with baseless labels like fascist. It’s dangerous and foolish.
Personally, I think you can refer to Farage as a high functioning racist. I mean to say that if you were in his head and could find out what he really thought... we wouldn't be too shocked at what we found BUT... his need for money/ power is more powerful than his racism when required. Hence disowning Tommy Robinson etc.
Just my opinion.
I'd don't consider "anti-nazis" and "anti-fascists" as the real danger to politicians in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox
I do consider Farage as far right, and I won't be pretending that he isn't any time soon.
“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”
Agreed. Which why the evidence that they are ducks isn't based on "private conservations"
I think it is obvious to most people that Sir Keir Starmer has recently been resorting to racist dog whistling because he desperately wants to boost his own popularity, and he thinks that it will help him.
I don't think we can conclude that Starmer has therefore become more racist. I am sure that he is no more racist than he's ever been. It's just a cynical attempt to exploit some people's bigotry, very much like Farage does.
I am astonished - but relieved - that the usually devious Reform propaganda machine hasn't pointed out the awkward truth that councils are failing due to a lack of funding from central government, and the way to resolve this is to elect Reform as the government so they can fix this. In a way to be announced at some future time.
It's an open goal they haven't spotted.
This is Reforms dilemma, they are likely to gain a lot of councils come May, but thats 3+ years of them failing to deliver before the GE, all their nonsense about cuts to DEI or whatever other crap theyve copied from the MAGAs will expose them as liars/ incompetent.
I'll stick to my claim that Farage exploits racism and bigotry for political gain, a tactic which Keir Starmer now seems to be trying his hand at, rather than because he is inherently a white supremacist.
How that head in the sand working for you? Still the congnitive dissonance because brexit is an inherently racist act? It was widely reported. Farage is a racist is the reality
This kind of extreme language needs to stop. Calling Farage and his supporters racist/far right/fascist/nazis etc is going to get someone killed. By repeating it over and over people will start believing it to be true
It is true. Simple fact
I'll stick to my claim that Farage exploits racism and bigotry for political gain, a tactic which Keir Starmer now seems to be trying his hand at, rather than because he is inherently a white supremacist.
How that head in the sand working for you? Still the congnitive dissonance because brexit is an inherently racist act? It was widely reported. Farage is a racist is the reality
Well if you pulled your head out of the sand, or wherever else you've stuck it, you would realise that firstly there is no fundamental difference between Farage exploiting racism and bigotry for political gain and Starmer doing the same. And secondly that the EU, whose membership requirements are inherently racist, isn't the bulwark against racism which you like to pretend it is.
Cognitive dissonance and whataboutery in one post. I do not know of anyone saying publicly that they heard Starmer using N***** on myutiple occasions or making any other overtly racist statements. I do agree his dog whistling is abhorrent tho
They both exploit racism but as I said a few days back, Farage is the master and Starmer is the apprentice. Farage will always be better as he is clearly a proper (but cleverly done) racist so comes naturally whereas I would be surprised if Starmer genuinely was.
Not sure why you are trying to make a point that somehow Farage is not a racist, are you trying to win something?
Not sure why you are trying to make a point that somehow Farage is not a racist, are you trying to win something?
Of course Nigel Farage is a racist, anyone who exploits racism and bigotry for political gain is a racist. The point is that definition applies to everyone including Sir Keir Starmer, he isn't somehow excluded because he happens to be the leader of the Labour Party.
The other point is that Farage isn't the raving white supremacist racist that some people try to portray him to be, if he was he could never get on and work closely with people such as Zia Yusuf. Reform UK is full of brown and black people something which a proper full-on party such as the BNP or Britain First would never tolerate.
Hope that clears what my point is. What's yours and what are you trying to win?
Hope that clears what my point is. What's yours and what are you trying to win?
Ok, so you say he’s not racist, how about fascist?
I was taking the piss
IMO no genuine white racist could ever work and get along with brown people to the degree that Nigel Farage does. He managed in just two days to get Zia Yusuf to reverse his very public resignation from Reform UK.
Of course Nigel Farage is a racist, anyone who exploits racism and bigotry for political gain is a racist.
You seem to be arguing with yourself. Guessing you will now focus on the words "genuine racist"...
A reasonable definition of a fascist is someone who backs political violence, supports a one-man dictatorship, the leading role of the military in government and law enforcement, and military courts for civilians. All historical fascist regimes have shared those characteristics.
You can also throw in racism into the mix although the world's most famous fascist, Benito Mussolini, was a somewhat reluctant racist.
It's stretching a bit to describe Nigel Farage as a fascist, however less so someone like Benjamin Netanyahu who enjoys considerable support from the current UK government.
You seem to be arguing with yourself.
I am not arguing with anyone. I have expressed the opinion that Farage exploits racism and bigotry for political gain, a tactic which Sir Keir Starmer is trying his hand at, but that Farage is not a white supremacist.
There plenty of more extreme racists than the subtle racism of Farage. Which is why TJ relies on alleged comments made by Farage in private conservations or in his youth.
Feel free to disagree with me though, it isn't necessary that everyone agrees on the same point when discussing politics 💡
"They are dividing us, not uniting us. They are feeding this negative culture in.”
Says the man who has made a career out of exploiting xenophobia and sowing division.