[Closed] Need some middle class advice......

Miele dear

Get an AGA, does the work of both 😉 HTH

A microwave? How common.

Thanks chaps, we already have the de-rigueur range cooker of choice.

Only one way to make coffee.
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Don don't be so narrow minded.. the various ways are not better just different.

pah, beat to it with the AGA and moka pot comments above

Those pots mostly make shit coffee.

Ain't the pot that's responsible.

Ain't the pot that's responsible.

+1

Although a Nespresso machine is handy, too.

We're going to go for a combi microwave like this with a single conventional oven below it

http://www.appliancesonline.co.uk/product/C57W40N0GB-Neff-Series-3-Microwave-Stainless-Steel-16321.aspx

It can be used as a grill or conventional oven also, so come Christmas time etc we can get both ovens roasting away and I can then microwave my head once the in laws have got too much

Miele for microwave - ours must be 10 years old and still works brilliantly. Think they now also make a built in nespresso machine which looks nice if a little ££££.

Oh yeah...the "ain't the pot that's responsible" one. Which of course is bollocks. Like I say, those pots mostly make shit coffee. Sometimes, they make passable coffee. But mostly. Bitter. Burnt. Shit. Coffee. Maybe it's just down to some people having better taste than others. 🙂

Oh I doubt that. How the flip can you burn it?

How the flip can you burn it?

🙄

I rest my case m'lud. 🙂

Sometimes, they make passable coffee. But mostly. Bitter. Burnt. Shit

Probably user error - if you leave it on the heat for too long after it's risen the coffee boils and the taste is indeed rank. Timing is everything, it's a coffee pot not a kettle.

I rest my case m'lud.

Probably user error

No, You're incorrect there but thanks for the tips on using something that I won't be using again. Probably low standards buy those who think it makes acceptable coffee. 🙂

it's a coffee pot not a kettle.

Genius, that.

But mostly. Bitter. Burnt. Shit. Coffee

If you just fill it with coffee and plonk it on the heat this will be the result. The trick is to coax non-boiling water through it really slowly. I can guarantee that non-bitter non-burnt great tasting coffee will be the result (if you use nice beans of course).

I can assure you I do not have poor taste in coffee.

Need a good built in Microwave and a good built in Coffee machine..

It's not middle class advice you need, it's upper working class. Ask them about the fridge with a built in tv you've been lusting after.

Look, down there.

Molly, sorry, but you're wrong. But, hey, you stick with it. (I do have one for camping btw, because the shit coffee it makes is still better than instant of course).

I'm not wrong, you are - you don't know what you're doing with it.

I can demonstrate when I'm back in Cardiff 🙂

I know exactly what I'm doing with it Molly. Look, I'm happy for you to think I'm wrong on this one. I'll not be convinced - it's realky not worth your effort trying. But thanks for the offer all the same. 😛

How can you know what you're doing with it if you've not created un-burnt coffee? It's perfectly possible.. you need to open your mind.. 🙂

I used to have one, gave it away. I might get another for the caravan...

You can have mine. It makes shit coffee 😀

My mind is open Molly. Just not to crap coffee that some people think is acceptable.

[s]It makes shit coffee[/s] I make shit coffee with it

FTFY

😉

I've got a long night of work ahead of me, so this could go on a bit.

There are two possible hypotheses here - one being that I can't recognise burnt coffee when I taste it; the other is that you don't know all the tricks of the moka pot. You seem only open to the former as a possibility...

People get waaaaay too serious about coffee, fill it with frothy milk and put some vanilla in it.. 😉

Points on it too. getting a muffin tomorrow. 8)

Now, see, I also like a vanilla latte.. this does not qualify me to comment on coffee in some people's eyes. Unfairly, I think 🙂

Molly, honestly, I know you live these types of discussions...thing is, I don't.

If you think I make shit coffee with it, then fair enough, please think that. I really couldn't give a shit, ok? I have a lovely Gaggia in the kitchen that makes far superior coffee - so I'm sticking with that, thanks.

I'm not trying to change your mind. Waste your evening on somebody else...please.

I don't appreciate these kinds of discussions at all when they get serious - I was only having a laugh.

However, I do think it a little strange that you are convinced you've covered every possible angle on a subject and refuse to accept the possibility that someone else could be aware of something that you're not.

But whatever...

we english only drink tea darling

Indeed, whatever, I wasn't being serious Molly. Just letting you know I wasn't interested in going through one of your interminably boring dissections of a trivial matter.

Cheers all the same though.

we english only drink tea darling

Nooooooooo! Built in microwave perhaps (Miele). But a built in coffee machine? If you like coffee that much get a cupboard, a spoon, a kettle and a jar of Nescafe Gold. In real life you need to use that 'build in' space for a proper coffee machine.

The stove top pot don Simon has makes nicer coffee with the right beans and grind than any Nespresso machine I've tried.

consider how many Italians, who take coffee very seriously, have a gaggia stovetop, clear proof that the coffee from a stovetop is uniformly crap....

Can't beat a bit of PG Tips, milk, two sugars. Pure class

Sugar? Yuk! I'm sweet enough already, darling.

I think pgp has it right.

Ahem!

Ok then. I've got a stove top pot, that ive had limited success with (burnt coffee).

Any tips on how to make proper good coffee with it? I'm genuinely interested!

Serious question, how do you burn the coffee?
You have flame, then water, then coffee, then the finished product.
Water heats up and the steam passes through the ground coffee.
Unless of course you leave the pot over heat for 10-15mins, but even then I don't see it burning.

I just wait until the coffee stops coming through into the top chamber, then pour it.

So there is no burn then, if you're using the pot correctly there can't be burn. Which, logically, leads to another problem and that a change in coffee might be in order, unless, of course, you can burn water. 😉

Steam is too hot for coffee - that's what is meant by 'burning' it. It's really scalding it, or cooking it slightly. Coffee water (unlike tea) needs to be less than boiling, around 92-95C.

The problem with the moka pot is that to get the water to come through you need pressure which would usually come from boiling the water - but that cooks the coffee.

All you really have to do is put it on a reeeeally low heat - so the water is forced through by the expansion of the air gap above the water BEFORE it boils. This does take a while, and the coffee will dribble out of the spout really slowly. If it spurts, that's too hot. When it starts coming through you can probably take it off the heat and it'll finish, and you've got no risk of over-heating then.

The resulting coffee will have gone through the grounds really slowly though resulting in an amazingly strong but still really smooth solid velvety texture - not unlike Turkish coffee but without the grit. Do not drink too much! It's a fair bit stronger than espresso made this way.

If you damp the coffee grounds before you assemble the thing, with cold water, it seems to improve things further.

The resulting coffee will have gone through the grounds really slowly though resulting in an amazingly strong but still really smooth solid velvety texture - not unlike Turkish coffee but without the grit. Do not drink too much! It's a fair bit stronger than espresso made this way.

So the mug full I have every morning is probably too much, then?

LOL. @ all the coffee snobs!

Soooooo

Good microwaves then...?

Only on stw could everyone get so excited about a kettle!! 😉

Now that the singlespeed of coffee making has been well and truly slated by the ignorant masses, I suppose we can look at microwaves.
I hear good things about this natty little number.
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KitchenAid Architect Series II KBHS 109 Oven

So the mug full I have every morning is probably too much, then?

I personally would be in A&E after drinking a whole mug full of the stuff I've made with that, but if you can handle it why not? 🙂