After decent day I thought I'd make Singapore noodles with Fanta orange chicken. Because the sugar is being sucked out of soft drinks I had to actually spoon sugar in to get it caramelise nicely.
Madness I tell you.
A) Sugar in drinks isn't banned they chose to remove it because they didn't want to make the drinks more expensive
B) Do you really mean caramelised? As in cooking sucrose at over 160 degrees C? Or do you mean the Maillard reaction?
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do you mean the Maillard reaction?
An allergy to duck?
I am pretty annoyed about Coco Pops though. They used to be lush. A decadent treat when baked. And now, presumably because some people were feeding it to their children - breakfast, lunch and dinner, we all have to miss out. Sad times 🙁
C? Or do you mean the Maillard reaction?
Almost certainly. Let me check with wiki.
I'd suggest using Orange Lucozade but if the adverts are to be believed, you'll need to cook it 20% longer...
I am pretty annoyed about Coco Pops though. They used to be lush. A decadent treat when baked. And now, presumably because some people were feeding it to their children – breakfast, lunch and dinner, we all have to miss out. Sad times
You can still buy them?
Yeah that pees me off too. I eat very little sugar but i do like a glass of squash every now and then and try to avoid artificial additives as much as possible. Away in France just now and it's nice to have a choice of cordials without a hint of sucralose in sight and not costing £3.70 for a 500ml bottle of elderflower and rose petal or whatever. Grrr. Rant.
I eat very little sugar but i do like a glass of squash every now and then and try to avoid artificial additives as much as possible.
That's my rant too. I would have been happier if the response to the sugar tax was to make squash less sweet, but they've just swapped the sugar for artificial sweetener. People add their own sugar to tea and coffee if they want it, why not squash? (apart form it being harder to dissolve in a cold drink). Artificial sweetener just maintains a liking for sweetness; we need to adapt to less sweet.
I was shocked when coming back from 3 weeks I'm Australia over Christmas to find they only sell Bundaberg ginger beer here with sweetener in them 🙁
I need to get a load ordered from Denmark before Brexit will make that even more expensive.
San Pellegrino lemon etc is pretty shit now, but it did have obscene levels of sugar in it. It's just Tory Fanta anyway.
Irn Bru.
RIP.
At least Coca Cola had some balls.
I cannot stand the taste of sweeteners.
It's not the taste of sweeteners, its the way that the chicken didn't cook down like it used to. Booo!
Tasted great in the end though so thats all that matters.
I never touch soft drinks except for reduced sugar Tesco ginger beer that gets used for the occasional Moscow Mule or Dark'n'Stormy. It's coffee, tea or water most of the time.
I suppose cooking grown-up recipes is out of the question? 🤣
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You want to buy a drink from a shop that isn’t laden with sugar, your options in most places are Diet Coke or bottled water. Cry me a river.
Very much this. For a hassle free drink, we’re always after sugar free drinks for our lad (type1 diabetic) and the number of times it’s still Diet Coke or nothing is insane.
It’s not the taste of sweeteners, its the way that the chicken didn’t cook down like it used to. Booo!
So now you have discovered that you don’t need Fanta at all - and you can probably use real orange juice, sugar and perhaps some white wine vinegar to make something nice...
I suppose cooking grown-up recipes is out of the question?
I do grown-up cooking as well, but sometimes making oriental dishes you have to improvise unless you have stuff to hand. This tastes remarkably like one of the orange chicken dishes at my local Chinese restaurant.
So now you have discovered that you don’t need Fanta at all – and you can probably use real orange juice, sugar and perhaps some white wine vinegar to make something nice…
How do you know it doesn't taste 'nice? Didn't see you at the table last night. There was also real orange juice and lemon juice in there along with garlic, ginger and scallions.
Oh by the way, my original post was a bit tongue in cheek...
I totally get the need for a reduction in sugar for many folk's diets.
Sounds tasty anyway, to be honest.
Yup, classic sweet orange chicken with some hot Singapore noodles and veg.
Pretty sure it’s not “classic” or even Chinese in origin. Wasn’t it a Western invention for customers with limited palates who just liked gorging on sugar? 😂 Glad you enjoyed it though 😉
I don't understand why the sugar tax is even applied to squash. No-one drinks it neat, do they?
If you dilute blackcurrant squash 1 part squash to 4 parts water (as recommended), that gives 4.8g per 100ml - below the lower threshold of 5g. So why the tax?
I thought I’d make Singapore noodles with
FantaNazi chemistry experiment orange chicken
FTFY. You do realize that Fanta was concocted by Nazi scientists because the wartime blockade meant there wasn't real food to make soft-drinks with? Every time I see Fanta, all I can think of is Nazis poisoning children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanta
FTFY. You do realize that Fanta was concocted by Nazi scientists because the wartime blockade meant there wasn’t real food to make soft-drinks with? Every time I see Fanta, all I can think of is Nazis poisoning children.
That's somewhat sensationalist.
It wasn't concocted by Nazi scientists, they were no more "Nazi scientists" than I'm a Conservative anything. It was created by Coca-Cola scientists in Nazi Germany because they couldn't get syrup from the US.
They weren't "poisoning children" (or at least not with Fanta), they were providing an alternative pop to Coke.
Fanta as we know today was created in Italy.
Aside from that, you're bang on the money.
But without their work we wouldn’t have the Fantanas!
It was created by Coca-Cola scientists in Nazi Germany
Because weirdly (or not, actually) American companies still operated in Nazi Germany even after the US joined the war. IBM made punch card systems to help identify Jews and organise the concentration camps.
According to this the main man involved in creating Fanta was pretty rabidly pro-Nazi.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/major-brands-nazi-collaborators/3
That’s somewhat sensationalist.
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.
An allergy to duck?
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“Artificial sweetener” tastes slightly different until you get used to it, but the notion that a pinch of sweetener is worse for you than fifty grams of sugar in a half-litre bottle of Coke is pseudo-scientific nonsense.
Unless you’re one of the unfortunate minority of aspartame supertasters to whom it tastes really bitter.
I have had a lifelong love of Irn Bru. It was the defining taste of my life and now it is ruined.
I can only drink full fat Coke now. All other fizzy drinks have been ruined by the sugar tax.
A tax i’d gladly pay if it was an option but, other than Coke, it’s not.
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.
And making shit up is no virtue. There were plenty of people in Nazi Germany that weren't Nazis (or sympathisers thereof), just as today a referendum result of 48:52 is not "the will of the people."
Grum's link is an interesting read. The Fanta one is on page 3.
Unless you’re one of the unfortunate minority of aspartame supertasters to whom it tastes really bitter.
I have had a lifelong love of Irn Bru. It was the defining taste of my life and now it is ruined.
Ah, that sucks. I'd no idea that was a thing, probably got lost in all the conspiracy theories. But really it's not a pro-sugar argument but a pro-alternative sweeteners argument.
Is this any use? Seems like you've got more options than you think:
https://naturaler.co.uk/aspartame-free-drinks-list-uk/
Thought Irn Bru 1901 was a return to full fat.
Anyone else remember the Irn Bru billboard above Central Station in Glasgow?
Yeah, piss off.
You want to buy a drink from a shop that isn’t laden with sugar, your options in most places are Diet Coke or bottled water. Cry me a river.
Well apart from the fact that artificial sweeteners have several negative effects. Some people are sensitive to artificial sweeteners and can have significant digestive impacts. Consumption of artificial sweeteners has negative effects on the management of blood sugar, the longer term consequences of which are still being studied.
Maybe the ‘cry me a river’ response isn’t the most sensible...
Unless you have a specific intolerance to them they are definitely no worse than sugar in terms of management of blood sugar though. There are a lot of myths about the evils of sweeteners, especially aspartame.
There are a lot of myths about the evils of sweeteners, especially aspartame.
True, Grum. There are.
However, the reply Cougar made isn’t really that mature, hence the point I made. My choices are now quite limited when it comes to soft drinks and some foods. I have no issue with a sugar tax, but a reduction in choice is problematic - I suffer quite badly and sometimes violently from intolerance...
There were plenty of people in Nazi Germany that weren’t Nazis (or sympathisers thereof)
The boss of Coca-Cola Germany was a member of the Nazi party, like pretty much everyone else in a position of authority. Refusing to join the party would have been career suicide, so everyone was a member. It's quite possible that he wasn't a sympathizer, just a collaborator because he needed the political connections to get supplies, but that's what everyone said after the war so it's impossible to know who was really a Nazi and who was just being pragmatic. His political connections meant Coca-Cola could obtain sugar when his competitors were forced to use saccharin. Fanta was used as a cooking ingredient because it contained real sugar, which was heavily rationed.
Well apart from the fact that artificial sweeteners have several negative effects.
Proof?
Whereas several tablespoons of sugar in a glass of Coke has well-documented health benefits. Vaping's bad for you, best get back on the fags.
Some people are sensitive to artificial sweeteners
So? Some people are sensitive to all manner of things, that doesn't make those things inherently bad. I've a mate who is allergic to seafood. One of my exes was violently allergic to kiwi fruit, she was once hospitalised by eating a fruit salad where a piece of fruit had touched kiwi in the kitchen. She went into anaphylactic shock and couldn't breathe.
If we got rid of everything that "some people are sensitive" to, you'd be on a diet of tap water and warm gravel.
Consumption of artificial sweeteners has negative effects on the management of blood sugar, the longer term consequences of which are still being studied.
... allegedly. There's no evidence of this beyond pumping mice full of heroic amounts of the stuff and being surprised when their gut bacteria changed.
Aspartame is one of the single most tested foodstuffs on the planet, not least because of all the unfounded scare stories around it.
However, the reply Cougar made isn’t really that mature, hence the point I made.
It wasn't supposed to be mature, it was intended to be a bit silly. Sorry if that's not how it came across.
My choices are now quite limited when it comes to soft drinks and some foods... a reduction in choice is problematic
Exactly the point I was making. You want something without sweetener your choice is full-fat Coke or water. I want something without sugar my choice is diet Coke or water. More choice is always good.
I suffer quite badly and sometimes violently from intolerance…
There's a lot of that going about on this forum. (-:
Quite a lot of the reason why I drink more beer than I probably should. There aren't too many choices of you want a cold, savoury beverage. There's beer or water.
Unless you’re one of the unfortunate minority of aspartame supertasters to whom it tastes really bitter.
I'm not a super-taster (I can chew those PTC strips all day) but I have noticed a background lingering bitter taste after having drinks with sweeteners in. It can last all day.
I drink Rocks blackcurrant squash, as that's full sugar.
Sugar free everything pisses me off, I can really taste it, but my biggest issue is disaster pants! My stomach/bowels and artificial sweeteners really do not get on.
They sneak the stuff in all sorts of unexpected places.
Interesting point on sweet drinks and levels of diabetes here on the NHS website.
NHS review of sweetened drinks study
Basically levels of diabetes go up when people have more than two sugary drinks or two sweetened drinks per day. So there is explicit harm in drinking excessive amounts of 'diet' drinks, albeit this is likely to be linked to other contributing factors, maybe even diabetes itself!
Not a definitive survey, but I'm sticking to beer and tea (no sugar) 😉
I could easily believe that people who have a "sweet tooth" have a worse diet, overall. And are basically Nazis.Basically levels of diabetes go up when people have more than two sugary drinks or two sweetened drinks per day.
Ok a couple of things:
I'm pretty sure squash was always made with sweeteners, at least since I was a kid. If you want it without, get the 'high juice' versions, which are widely available and don't have artificial sweeteners. I think Robinson's do it but Asda definitely do their own.
Re IBM in Nazi Germany, it's not that IBM were pro-Nazi. The IBM guy (Tom Watson Jr I think?) was a free-market guy and wanted business to be separate from politics. He apparently even went to talk to Hitler to talk him out of his course of action, which was a bit hubristic really. They simply sold punched card machines apolitically, which meant of course the US and German governments were free to use them for whatever purpose they wanted.
was a free-market guy and wanted business to be separate from politics
Like arms dealers.
Not exactly like arms dealers, as most punched card machines were sold for civilian purposes and not killing people purposes. But yes it would appear that someone taking that position is likely to be simply making excuses for making money.
FWIW I've always preferred the taste of Diet Coke to the sugar-laden stuff. Same with Irn Bru etc.
Re IBM in Nazi Germany, it’s not that IBM were pro-Nazi. The IBM guy (Tom Watson Jr I think?) was a free-market guy and wanted business to be separate from politics. He apparently even went to talk to Hitler to talk him out of his course of action, which was a bit hubristic really. They simply sold punched card machines apolitically, which meant of course the US and German governments were free to use them for whatever purpose they wanted.
Yeah, just like all the soldiers who were 'just following orders' eh?
It was so nice I’m making a bunch more tonight to use up the rest of the Fanta. Gone down very well with everyone who tried it.
Singapore noodles rock too.
Shakshuka With Feta was great for breakfast too.
I think you misunderstand.
It's a case of not doing the right thing, rather than actively doing the wrong thing. There is a difference, but that does not exonerate either and I of course do not condone working with Nazis. I have refused to work in countries on human rights grounds before however I am lucky enough to have the choice.
And of course, common soldiers refusing to follow orders would've been shot, so your comment isn't really about the same thing.
There’s a lot of that going about on this forum. (-:
Hopefully not of the intense stomach cramps and explosive diarrhea type... It hits me like Picolax.
I tend not to drink a lot of squashes and sodas - more often iced water, but every now and again - I love one.
Enjoy your nazi 'chinese' chicken eddiebaby!
molgrips it was a ref to the Nuremberg trials where it was established that only following orders isn't a valid excuse for war crimes. Not really a valid comparison but hey, this is the internet.
And I think carrying on selling them stuff even after its been established they were nasty pasties (IIRC we didn't know the camps were extermination centres but we did know they existed and that they were rounding up jews and other undesirables) counts as 'doing the wrong thing' in my book.
Ok a couple of things:
I’m pretty sure squash was always made with sweeteners, at least since I was a kid. If you want it without, get the ‘high juice’ versions, which are widely available and don’t have artificial sweeteners. I think Robinson’s do it but Asda definitely do their own.
Maybe some of the lower sugar ones did but now literally all except the posh very expensive ones have sweetners. I always shop at Asda and maybe yours is different but you can't buy basic squash without sweetners now. Even the high juice ones have sweetners if you're lucky you can buy a bottle of branded lime cordial without sweetners at £3ish.
I am all for encouraging healthy eating but i also believe in choice.
There are studies that show sweetners are not good for blood sugar responses and also gut bacteria but also i know that it's incredibly difficult and expensive to run long term trials looking at the effects of diet as it's really hard to control that over a period of years in humans. Our knowledge is constantly being updated. It was only recently that we altered our perspective that sugar was bad and not fat so much so personally i would like to be able to avoid sweetners if i choose and have an occasional sweet drink without having to make it from scratch (which i have done in the past btw. Elderflower and redcurrant absolutely delicious 😋)
If you want it without, get the ‘high juice’ versions, which are widely available and don’t have artificial sweeteners. I think Robinson’s do it but Asda definitely do their own.
All the high juice has gone with sweetener too. When the sugar tax came in most of the flavours were replaced with sugar-free ones but I've noticed that many of them have now also been discontinued at the same time as new sub-brands of posh adult squash have been launched.
Enjoy your nazi ‘chinese’ chicken eddiebaby!
And you enjoy your VAG car, food grown with German developed pesticides and opera. 👍🏼
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It’s a case of not doing the right thing, rather than actively doing the wrong thing. There is a difference, but that does not exonerate either and I of course do not condone working with Nazis. I have refused to work in countries on human rights grounds before however I am lucky enough to have the choice.
It was also 80 years ago.
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