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"I haven't said anything about people being forced to get their bits out"
But you indicate that they were coerced by application of psychological pressure. Page 2 of this thread.
Good night. tired now.
Have a nice sleep y'all
Be nice.
Conks
Thank you. You just proved my point, I never said anyone was forced into it.
You aren't the only one. Good night.
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hey back to the serious issues here please - why don;t we get birds taking their clothes off on tv here ?*
*apart from the fact all kiwi woman have huge arses and are generally complete slappers**
**whoops i seem to have just stereotyped a whole countrys female population how dare i.
And MissG - excellent work, you seem to have put forward some excellent, well structured discussion points and taken donw some spotty, bearded mountain bikers. Well done.
Oh dear, is this still going on? Who would have thought that two words about a few people on a BBC3 telly programme would come to this? I'd not even noticed that MissGulliver had "torn strips off me" until someone else pointed it out.
If you're offended at the use of the words "screwed up", then I'm sorry. Was that your only issue with the thread, or were there others?
"you STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT." (arrrrgggghhh!)
Me too. So who's a bad man and who's a silly baps out minger?
And MissG - excellent work, you seem to have put forward some excellent, well structured discussion points and taken donw some spotty, bearded mountain bikers. Well done.
Has she? Could someone summarise the points she made, because I'm still none the wiser.
Oh conk do you have to? I really want this to stop (and not because people me into it).
forced
adjective 1. compulsory, enforced, slave, unwilling, mandatory, obligatory, involuntary, conscripted <<
erm....
LOL NZCol, you mean you don't get all our 'jubblies'(as someone put it) on tv ? 😆
sodafarl 'Baps out minger'? who is that aimed at?
Graham - get a grip, you STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT
You're right I really don't. But I'm enjoying it anyway.
I haven't disagreed with anyone who has defended me.
Actually one of the first things you did here was snap at andym who was actually defending you. Then you announced that [i]"the bandwagon is being jumped on"[/i] when only a couple of people had commented and they were mainly in your favour.
You did similar things on the DigitalSpy forum like when you snapped at White Rabbit 33 who was on your side when he said [i]"The contestants in this series must surely be plants, at least I sincerely hope so because if not, they have all been victims of some very cruel TV sensationalism."[/i]
I haven't said anything about people being forced to get their bits out?? What are you on??!!
Did you not say these things then?
[i]"..they only find out it is a naked theme show once they are on it and contracts are signed."
"..they didn't know til they were on it, would you rather look a fool doing it or a fool walking off the show?"
"I don't think they WANTED to get naked, I think they felt like they couldn't NOT "
" I said some people don't have even less confidence to walk out than to do what they are being asked to do. "[/i]
Am I "reading between imaginary lines" or do these statements suggest that you felt forced (or maybe coerced) into getting naked?
miketually - Member
[i]Has she? Could someone summarise the points she made, because I'm still none the wiser. [/i]
I left this last night, you carried it on today and I have reacted so I don't think you should be making such remarks as 'is this still going on?'.
I actually almost thought there was a decent side to you when you apologised and then you posted the above.
I asked as it had gone quiet for 6 hours or so, that's all.
Graham - the fact that you are 'enjoying' this says a lot about you. Because I am not.
Trying to twist my words is a pathetic attempt for a grown man - I assume that's what you are?? I disagreed with White Rabbit 33 when he/she referred to the contestants as looking like sluts and prostitutes - so read up if you are going to try and refer to something Graham.
a) I don't have a 'side', that again, is you trying to make a 'them' and 'me' situation.
b) if I did have a 'side' (playground again) I wouldn't be with someone calling the girls something like sluts and prostitues.
Yes, you can cut and paste too - my we are showing all your skills off tonight aren't we?! Did I say they were forced? Guilt, pressure, insecurity, problem with authority are all things that can INFLUENCE people do something they are unsure of.
Learn the definition of a word before you use it.
can summerise the whole series-
naked office workers: some camp weedy men, ladies with nicer chebs than...
naked estate agents: looked better with clothes on, nice arses shame about the tatties!!
i thought everyone was going to sleep up there ^.
I think that as this is a mountainbiking forum and the only way to settle this debate and its many confusing facets and offshoots will be a trackstanding/stare-off combo competition. It could be screened late at night on extreme sports channel after the canadians xc racing. No baps or other nakedness necessary though bonus points for lurid team kit and matching jersey/bibs/socks. CFH to provide mysterious gladiators-style voiceover commentary. Winner!
"sodafarl 'Baps out minger'? who is that aimed at?"
I have no idea, I don't tend to watch "that type" of television program. WHY do you care though? Apart from trying to defend a really daft baps out type sister (if that's the case prepare for a lifetime of embarassment), or trying to encourage an internet presence for a company with very little new to market itself upon, I'm ignorant as to your motivation.
lol tomthumb - what's a cheb? 😛
Wonder what the Evilzone boys are up to...hang on, be back soon.....
sodafarls - I was just wondering where you got the phrase from and who it was aimed at? If you didn't watch 'that type' of programme - I don't think you can really comment on me or what I was talking about.
Right thats it
I'm off to find a UK proxy and will watch it on iPlayer then get back to you with my bandwagonjumpingrandomstatementsaboutmentaliststakingtheirclothesoff
back soon...
tomthumb ha I think this one is over my head, do you mean boobies?? 🙄
Graham - the fact that you are 'enjoying' this says a lot about you. Because I am not.
I'm truly sorry about that because I'm having a hoot.
I thought you were too, what with the LOLs and smiley faces.
Trying to twist my words is a pathetic attempt for a grown man - I assume that's what you are??
Yes I am a grown man thanks. In fact my waistline is a bit too grown, but that's a different issue. 🙂
And directly quoting you really isn't trying to twist your words.
White Rabbit 33 when he/she referred to the contestants as looking like sluts and prostitutes - so read up if you are going to try and refer to something Graham.
I did. And since you like my cut-and-paste skills:
First you chose to misinterpret him and assumed he was slighting their intellect:
[i]"How nice of you to decide that the partipants must be without intellect, I assume that is what you so graciously describe as being a 'plant'.[/i]
Then you further misinterpreted him and responded:
[i]"I find it disgusting that you describe these individuals as SLUTS or PROSTITUTES."[/i]
When what he actually said was:
[i]How are we meant to believe that the participants in this series have achieved greater self worth when in reality, they have simply been talked into degrading themselves in the ultimate way and arguably have no more self worth than prostitutes or strippers as a result.[/i]
i.e. they haven't really gained anything from this and they have been talked into a degrading act which doesn't require self-worth - which I believe is entirely [u]in support[/u] of your argument.
Since I'm not really nasty (as anyone who has been here for more than three days will know, I hope) I thought I should reread the whole thread, just to check I haven't inadvertently come across that way, since that's easy to do on a forum and I wouldn't want to have accidentally been mean.
I'm still stumped. Can someone else go back and read it too, just to make sure it's not me?
Graham - the smileys are not at you, nor are the lol's. They are at some of the nice people on the thread. You twist words in their meaning, quote and give them a different spin - don't be so pedantic. Have you never heard people with low IQ ill described as plants?
'They will all, at various rates, come to realise how cheap, degraded and dirty they were all tricked into being. Just because the humiliation was not overtly obvious at the end of the program doesn't mean that it is not an ongoing process when the girls realise that no one will ever look at them with respect again.' = first sentence 'they were tricked into being' - "being" - therefore they WERE cheap, degraded and DIRTY.
Mike - instigating it's continuation. Clever...
Other people already said to you 'stop being a fanny' - 'have you nothing better to do than badger this girl' with your repeated questions, others said you are also to blame. So it's not just me who's done this Mike.
to get serious for a minute here (oh dear)...
surely the type of people who lack confidence could quite easily be led to believe that getting naked on telly will bring them loads of confidence; whereas those who already possess this confidence would tell the producers to go swivel.
Mike - instigating it's continuation. Clever.
No, confused.
mike: i can honestly say i don't really 'get' this thread have read it through fully twice today and it doesn't really go anywhere!
but i don't think you come across as nasty
mike: i can honestly say i don't really 'get' this thread have read it through fully twice today and it doesn't really go anywhere!
I'm glad it's not just me!
there IS nowhere for it to go except round in bloody circles 😥
Mike you wrote a substantial amount of it so stop acting as though this thread 'happened' to you
and the 'nasty' thing never came from me, I never used the word nasty to you
Mike you wrote a substantial amount of it so stop acting as though this thread 'happened' to you
Perhaps if you could tell me exactly what your problem with this thread is, I would understand a bit better?
Just interested MissG. Why are you spending large amounts of your time and intelect defending this to a load of people you have never met, don't know and (presumably) couldn't care less about? You're unlikely ever to meet anyone from here and I'm not sure why their (our) opinions vex you so much.
This comes over as either an opportunistic troll or a case of 'the lady doth protest too much'....
Spend more time with your 'sister' (and less intelectualising on places like here) and she might not need to reclaim her self esteem and dignity by searching for stardom via crap telly.
Just a thought. And I'm not nasty, not trying to be and never knowlingly have been.
and the 'nasty' thing never came from me, I never used the word nasty to you
Ah, so you didn't. You called me unfair and hostile and had a go at me for using the term "screwed up" to describe people who were screaming that they hated themselves on telly.
Why are you spending large amounts of your time and intelect defending this to a load of people you have never met, don't know and (presumably) couldn't care less about?
The thread was three days old, with only four posts, and had fallen well off the front page when she resurrected it.
My last post was a question for Miss G not NastyMike.
Mike I am not going to keep repeating myself. I told you my issue with your comment on the 1st page. I never called you names, was condescending to you or tried to get everyone else on board by researching you and trying to build a web of suspicion. I was sarcastic in the first line and that was it.
I'll paste it here to save 'our Graham' from pasting his 'quick reminders'
'Why would someone this screwed up agree to be on tv?'
"""Wow MIKETUALLY - is that in your 'professional' opinion??? I guess you must be completely secure in yourself that you have never thought you had no other option but to try something radical?
Ever dawned on you that these people may be so fed up of how they feel about themselves, have tried therapy, or be unable to afford it, and see an advert for a confidence building programme and sign up?? If you watched it you'll see they only find out it is a naked theme show once they are on it and contracts are signed.
How about you don't judge people when all you know about their lives is a brief flick of their name and some small detail about them. They didn't go on this programme to tell you their story, they went on it to help themselves and doing it in public was just part of the deal to getting help.
Give people a break. """
WTF in all that meant I deserved the barrage of 'why are you here?' 'who do you work for?' 'which one were you?' ???
Forums are forums, doesn't matter if the site is for Cake Makers or Wrestlers, they are public forums. Anyone can post a response to someone elses statement. It doesn't need to be patronising, condescending, spiteful insinuations.
I am sure you and Graham will together get rid of me.
"I don't think you can really comment on me or what I was talking about."
I can comment on your comments, is that ok with you? And as far as baps out mingers go well pardon me, a daft baps out minger is a daft baps out minger. The show is nothing new, can you admit that?
You twist words in their meaning, quote and give them a different spin - don't be so pedantic.
Nope. I'm just quoting back to you what you said and it's confusing
Have you never heard people with low IQ ill described as plants?
Nope. Never heard that one. "vegetables" maybe, for people who are in a vegetative state, but no, I've honestly never heard "plant" used as an intelligence insult.
Perhaps you should "Learn the definition of a word before you use it. " 🙄
[size=1][b]plant[/b] noun 1 any living organism that is capable of manufacturing carbohydrates by the process of photosynthesis and that typically possesses cell walls containing cellulose. 2 a relatively small organism of this type, eg a herb or shrub as opposed to a tree. 3 the buildings, equipment and machinery used in the manufacturing or production industries, eg a factory, a power station, etc. 4 colloq something deliberately placed for others to find and be misled by. 5 colloq a spy placed in an organization in order to gain information, etc. 6 snooker a shot in which the player pockets (see pocket verb 3), or tries to pocket, a red ball by causing it to be propelled by another red ball which has been struck by the cue ball or by some other red ball[/size]
-- [url= http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/features/chref/chref.py/main?title=21st&query=plant ]Chambers UK[/url]
'They will all, at various rates, come to realise how cheap, degraded and dirty...' = first sentence 'they were tricked into being' - "being" - therefore they WERE cheap, degraded and DIRTY.
Yep. And he said this AFTER you ripped into him while he was supporting you. (And after you switched to your other pole and said you agreed with him 100% and want to talk offline with him).
Also it's pretty clear that after the program you are now feeling cheapened by the whole thing and have regrets about doing it. Personally I don't think you should. While I agree it's not the most uplifting thing to do, it does show that you can show some real guts when you need them. You should be proud of yourself.
That's your only issue? My use of the term "screwed up" prompted you to register for a forum, on which you'd not previously posted, to rant at someone you'd never met?
miketually wouldn't intentionally hurt a fly I don't think MissGulliver, but please stay, this is brilliant fun. You should probably realise thatt the more you post the more you continue to fan the flames, I have found that about internet arguments 🙄
As an asside (<<<<do you see what I did there), I do hope your sister was the first one to get them out on the show the other day, she was well tidy.
this is brilliant fun
[url= 
]You think so?[/url]
So ... it's all about the use of "screwed up" instead of "having issues around". Well, as somebody said about three pages back, they are the same thing (albeit from different people).
Thread closed (ha).
Ok, maybe thats overstating it. Quite funny would have done nicely
Ever dawned on you that these people may be so fed up of how they feel about themselves, have tried therapy, or be unable to afford it, and see an advert for a confidence building programme and sign up?? If you watched it you'll see they only find out it is a naked theme show once they are on it and contracts are signed.
Or they could just be attention seeking, celebrity obsessed wanabees...
You do go on a bit, you sure you're not one of the playmakers....?
NZCol, I'm in Oz, and we dont get enough Jugs either. However there is a programme called underbelly set in the 70's and that had loads of birds wopping out thier massive 70's style knockers from the off. you might get that over in NZ.
"""Just interested MissG. Why are you spending large amounts of your time and intelect defending this to a load of people you have never met, don't know and (presumably) couldn't care less about? You're unlikely ever to meet anyone from here and I'm not sure why their (our) opinions vex you so much."""
Because maybe I don't like it when people make an assumption on me which is completely wrong (that I am here to help some show get internet views? hardly with what I have written), that I try to defend someone, and people refuse to listen to what I was saying and stop trying to twist it.
"""This comes over as either an opportunistic troll or a case of 'the lady doth protest too much'...."""
? Yes, really I agree they are 'screwed up'... No. For the billionth time, the link talking about this comment was on the facebook group and I followed it. I am sorry if I am coming across as frustrated, but I really am.
"""Spend more time with your 'sister' (and less intelectualising on places like here) and she might not need to reclaim her self esteem and dignity by searching for stardom via crap telly."""
so my being with her more would mean she wasn't insecure? She has gone away for the last 2 weeks because she didn't want to be around when the show was aired. When she gets back I will tell her that I held the cure all along.
When she gets back I will tell her that I held the cure all along.
Careful, she'll be mad at you having already admitted to being an estate agent on national telly 🙂
I know, I know. she was on one of the the other 4 shows (I was paying attention - just) but allow me a moment of comedic light relief.....
The battery is going in my laptop and it's late, so I'm off.
MissGulliver, I hope your sister sorts herself out and that you find something better to do than arguing on forums you otherwise would never have joined. Spending three(?) days arguing on several forums can't have been much fun, so why put yourself through it?
My other pole???? I am allowed to agree with the part I had quoted - or couldn't you read THAT part!!! If you are going to try to knock me down at least get it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Graham you are a self righteous wannabe critic who can only get kicks out of giving other people grief. You sit there taking ages inbetween posts so you can cut and paste and copy and twist and find a way to TRY and make yourself sound clever. I hope when you look in the mirror you can be ever so proud of yourself (and I know you will say you are). Most usually, the bullied become the bully. Well done.
Mike you did exactly the same thing you hypocrit
Actually I spend ages between posts cos I'm sitting watching telly.
On one forum, that I regularly post on. Rather different, no?
Actually I spend ages between posts cos I'm sitting watching telly.
There's only a 50:50 chance that's true 😉
What you watching? Got Shaun of The Dead on here, seems strangely fitting somehow.
Actually I spend ages between posts cos I'm sitting watching telly
There's this cracking show on BBC3....oh, errr, never mind.
I read it. Your "other pole" was where you said to White Rabit 33:
I completely and utterly agree with you on the above. 100%
I would be interested in speaking to you off public forum.
after previously tearing into him.
There's this cracking show on BBC3....oh, errr, never mind.
[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/the-undercover-princes ]Undercover Princes[/url]. The gay one's my brother you know.
There's only a 50:50 chance that's trueWhat you watching? Got Shaun of The Dead on here, seems strangely fitting somehow.
CSI triple bill.
Naughty 'cutnpaste' Graham, took you long enought to drag that up and twist it. Evil man...
The battery is going in my laptop and it's late, so I'm off.
MissGulliver, I hope your sister sorts herself out and that you find something better to do than arguing on forums you otherwise would never have joined. Spending three(?) days arguing on several forums can't have been much fun, so why put yourself through it?
Oh so because you spent 3 days arguing on one that makes it better? ok and if you look, the other discussions were ALREADY in full swing, I didn't start them nor finish them. Just contributed like many others. You turned this into what it has become.
miketually - Member
MissGulliver seems to have created this account just to post here on this post.
As it was 4 days after the thread 'died', it's unlikely to be a regular poster creating an anonymous account to resond to this thread.
The thread is in the top ten on Google now for "naked estate agent", so my guess is it's one of the people who appeared on the show who's been Googling it.
Am I right?
Posted 1 day ago # Report-Post
miketually - Member
In fact, MissGulliver posted almost that exact same post on another forum:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=30685335#post30685335
Posted 1 day ago # Report-Post instigating
miketually - Member
Found a MissG on another forum. That either means it's someone searching the web to defend themselves, or it's time for me to go to bed.
MissGulliver, I hope you sort out whatever issues you have. Good luck.
Posted 1 day ago # Report-Post condescending, patronising
miketually - Member
richpips - exactly - are you watching then?
Is he watching who? The people who refused to be filmed? I'd guess not.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what your point is any more?
Posted 1 day ago # Report-Post condescending
I'm not sure what your point is generally.
Are you saying we're bad people for talking about something we saw on TV? Are you saying the production company were in the wrong for exploiting these people? Are you saying that being watched is very important, so you should never walk out on a TV programme?
Posted 1 day ago # Report-Post - completely made up to try and provoke 'sides'
Now I hope you two are proud of yourselves.... AFAIK, Miss G was up for a go at the Beast in the Peak next week and now you two have blown it.
Tssk, Nasty and Cut 'n' paste strike again 🙂
GRAHAM see what I mean about you not reading properly? what was the bit I said 'I completely agree with you' about????? the bit highlighted in the same post!!!
""""What I meant to say was that the producers of the program, while telling them all that it was about confidence, were really treating them like dirt and all for the sake of shock value and ratings.""""
so give up already on that one,
I'm not sure what that mass cut'n'paste is for. For the record, I Googled it to try and work out where on Earth you'd come from so suddenly and because there was nowt on the telly worth watching.
I think perhaps I'll call it a night now.
For what it's worth, I meant what I said about hoping your sister sorts herself out. Night.
I hope when you look in the mirror you can be ever so proud of yourself (and I know you will say you are). Most usually, the bullied become the bully. Well done.
Actually no, you are starting to make me feel like a bully. I'm a nice guy really, I'm just a very stubborn debater.
But for some reason talking to you is starting to feel like I'm kicking a puppy.
And I like puppys.
So I'm going to leave it at that and go to bed.
I sincerely hope this whole thing is somehow cathartic and that you (or/and your sister) get over all this.
You certainly have plenty of confidence online at least.
And you didn't even need to show us your jubblies. 😉
Right i've just fast forwarded thruogh that program (i'm in security OF course i can do this in work time, its an, erm, investigation)....
Exploitative, disgusting, mindless, brilliant TV. Great to see some flange being put out there. But i'd agree with the original assertion that they are all exhibiting 'overt mentalism'.
bigrich - i'll keep an eye out for that cheers for the heads up 😉
Thanks for giving me an entertaining sidleine to some horribly boring work.
You win.
Clearly
i haven't read the whole thread but how can anyone go on tv and not expect to be exploited and portrayed in a way that is sensationalist and removed from reality?
to a production company you are just a commodity fed lies to produce content that suits them. anyone who thinks the program is there to help them out of genuine concern needs their head tested.
the people on those kind of programs are worse than the moronic apathetic public that watch them on the idiot lantern in the corner of the room.
Cilla Black:
I'll paste it here to save 'our Graham' from pasting his 'quick reminders'
That was actually really funny! 😀
You may as well chill out MissG, no one in this thread really mean any harm, its just semantics.
Nice edit there Miss G - nice i like your style
I just made the mistake of watching a bit of the progs (research see). As I suspected, the worst form of pap TV populated by talentless, look at me wanabees. 'Confidence issues'? Yeah right.
More like a bunch of 3rd rate, would be media whores using the show as a platform to launch their illustrious careers...
Confidence issues? More like 'in touch with reality' issues.... It was on BBC3 FFS, it's obviously gonna be mass market drivel not deep research...
If my sister appeared on anything like that, I'd spend the next 40 years taking the pi$$ remorselessly never mind defending her mental health aberrations to a bunch of silly cyclists.
What a cracking thread, very entertaining. MissG started out with thought out, concise, well phrased arguments even if they did occasionally contradict each other. However the later over use of punctuation was a bit iffy and using 12 exclamtion marks is definitley a sign of "issues"
DONK, the thread is dead, just leave it to lie in peace.
sorry nasty mike 🙂 will do.
Is it dead, really?
Oh, it must be, the tags have been cleared out!
Nasty's feeling guilty having bullied and harangued a stranger. Girl basher...
I too hate it when people revive threads...
muha hahahha ha