Yep, it’d be a different game if they’d held onto a couple last night.
Clutching at straws, but the West Indies have just batted out two days to save the first test v New Zealand.
Oh FFS. Honestly, Duckett can just FO back home - he's useless in the field and with the bat. How Pope has stayed in the team for this long who knows - he shouldn't even be in the Lions. This is shambolic.
You know what you’re getting with the openers, and it’s paid off probably more often than not. Pope though is a clown.
Oh great. Now all England's hopes rest on Brook and Stokes not getting out. RIP bazball 🙄
This is like watching Graham Taylor's England football team. Hoisted by their own hubris.
Yep, England consistently talk a good game but inevitably fail to deliver. Bazzball bollocks.
Bazzball bollocks.
It's become a cop-out. An excuse for not knuckling down and concentrating.
The thing that really irks me is that they have not gone out there facing a squad containing McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist, Waugh(s) etc.
From 1993 to 2002/3 there were six Ashes series where England would be lucky to have more than one player selected in a combined XI for the series. In 2001, I reckon not a single England player would have made a combined XI. A once in a lifetime performance from Mark Butcher still not being enough.
Before this series, a combined XI would have been roughly 50:50. Duckett, Root, Stokes, Brook, Archer would probably all be in.
England had a huge chance this series. Australia were there for the taking. And they've blown it by playing brainless cricket and not concentrating in the field. FFS.
I have just watched some YouTube highlights. As Pope walked off he was shaking his head. I actually said out loud "what are you shaking your ****ing head for?"
He nearly slaps one to cover driving on the up. Then he nicks one over the slips driving on the up. Then he plops one back to Neser and is out... driving on the up. What on earth can he be shaking his head at?
Aaaargh.
This comment left on the BBC Sports section sums it up quite nicely
"Turns out that Australia's approach of playing sensible and disciplined conventional Test match cricket is superior's to England's treat it like an ODI approach.
Bazball is cowardice dressed up as bravery. Always taking the "aggressive" approach and neglecting hard graft is weakness, not strength."
I think Aggers comment that, bar Bethell who’s not scoring runs either, there’s no-one pushing the current team for a place.
Smith has been crap for a year, he isn’t scoring enough runs to make up for the average keeping.
Pope is a walking wicket.
Duckett is fast using up what credit he had in the bank whilst Crawley does just enough to not get dropped.
Brook is brainless.
But there’s no one in the counties knocking the door down either.
A downside of central contracts is that it creates a closed shop. I have always admired Tom Abell as a batter. He's always been able to nurdle the ball around when necessary then give it a whack later on. Sam Northeast has been unlucky not to have been given an opportunity yet, IMO.
BTW - I agree with Athers. The Bazballers should not change their approach one iota for the rest of this tour. The Ashes have gone. This nonsense needs to be allowed to play out in its entirety so that it can be irrefutably proven to be so. Five-nil if no weather intervenes. Maybe then we can have a regime that actually respects Test cricket as a game.
This comment left on the BBC Sports section sums it up quite nicely
"Turns out that Australia's approach of playing sensible and disciplined conventional Test match cricket is superior's to England's treat it like an ODI approach.
Bazball is cowardice dressed up as bravery. Always taking the "aggressive" approach and neglecting hard graft is weakness, not strength."
It's genuinely worse than that... England have been out Bazballed by Australia!
How so...? Well playing positively and scoring at 5 an over has never been the preserve of England anyway, and Australia have just proven once again, that application of not chasing after length balls driving on the up (on bouncy wickets) and playing each ball on its merit, rather than trying to dispatch it to the boundary come what may, can result in a 5rpo run rate consistently anyway!
Joe Root in the first innings aside, Englands brainless batting is inexcusable.
The absolute number one thing you're taught by batting coaches when you're a kid learning how to bat is to "get your foot to the pitch of the ball"... And that if you can't get your foot to the pitch of the ball, then you should be playing it off the back foot or leaving it. Brook is genuinely a "generational talent" as keeps being bandied around, he really has that much potential. But he has absolutely minimal application! The way in which McCullum has instilled the "just play how you want to play, don't worry about the consequences" attitude into all of these players, it's as if he's been paid by Cricket Australia to totally undermine the England team's chances of winning an Ashes! On paper, given Cummins and Hazelwood have been out for the first two tests, we really should be entering the 3rd test 2-0 up... Starc has been incredible, let's not forget that for a moment, but the rest of Aussie's bowling attack has barely been mediocre to this point and as for Aussie's batting lineup, well Head taking the initiative @ Perth aside, they've been absolutely mediocre as well and not living up to their potential (they have been bowled some dross by England's bowlers though, Stokes aside) and Mitchell Starc is now currently topping their batting averages as well as bowling averages!
As mentioned above, if you were picking a "best of" side purely on potential, there's 5 or 6 England players get in for sure... Two opening batters, well Duckett has been on increidble form through 24/25 until this tour, Crawley is a liability but then Khawaja's been even more of one for Australia of late and Weatherald is an unknown, though they have just repurposed Travis Head in this position, so you'd go Duckett and Head here...
Middle order, well nobody's picking Pope. Nor Labuschagne to be honest, he's only back in the Aussie side due to a complete lack of capable batters! So Smith 3 and Root 4 is a no brainer... Brook gets 5, not just cos Head is now opening, but cos he really is that good when he applies himself. Stokes at 6 again a no brainer...
Keeper...? Well Jamie Smith might not be living up to his potential right now much like Brook, but he's a much more capable bat than Carey normally, and he's normally a lot more reliable behind the stumps than he has been this tour so far, if not quite as good as Carey here...
Bowelrs... I think it goes without saying that right now, Mitchell Starc is absolutely the no.1 choice... But to be honest, I've always thought he was Australia's best strike bowler anyway! And obviously, all being well, Cummins and Hazelwood would join him in the bowling lineup too if they were fit... But they aren't right now! So who would you pick as the other 3 bowlers...? Well not Neser for sure, or Boland to be honest! Gus Atkinson hasn't been firing either like he should have been, nor has Archer since the first innings at Perth! Carse has been lucky to get the wickets he has done, most of them more out of poor/loose shots by Aussie batter than by bowling well, and he's leaked at nearly 6 an over most of the time! Will Jacks? Yeah I'm not sure why he's been selected either... Good fielder though! Same for Josh Inglis... And Mark Wood...? Well yeah... Didn't get the wickets where he was expected to at Perth (did cause a handful of bruises mind), and predictably injured for the next game... Starc and Stokes aside, the bowling this Ashes so far really hasn't been up to much at all, and the series has been dominated by second rate batting performances making the bowlers look good at times... On both sides! Lyon? Well rightly so he's angry at not being selected to play this test, and he really didn't get much opportunity at Perth (understandable given the nature of the wicket and that it was all over in 2 days)... So Lyon's in the team, and assuming they're fit, so are Cummins and Hazelwood, but if not then I guess you go Archer and Boland...
So depending on whether Cummins/Hazelwood are fit or not, a combined XI would contain either 5 Aussies and 6 English players or vice versa...
But as it is, only Stokes and Root have showed up at all, and England are about to go 2-0 down in the Ashes to a 2nd string Aussie side that Mitchell Starc aside, are a loooooooong way from playing their best cricket right now!
Another thing to put this in context...
England have just lost a test inside three days, at the Gabba, to a team that has an opening bowler that the keeper stands up to the majority of the time. And that 'pace bowler' took five-fer.
To over-use an old quote...
That is Village.
Interesting listening to The Grade Cricketer this morning, specifically about Ben Stokes. They were saying how he's got a lot of credit after the last match for batting properly and being the only person (arguably with Jacks) to bat to the conditions. And yet it's him (and McCullum) who have been telling their players to run to the fire, to attack first and to not think of the consequences. They were saying it's odd how he's getting huge credit for doing the thing that he's told everyone else not to in the last 4 years.
Related but not, has Wood played his last game for England? It certainly feels like it might have been his last test.
I don't have anything to back it up but I'm sure earlier in his career Stokes was very good at coming in, assessing the situation, blocking if necessary and then going ballistic when he was set. I just don't think the other batsmen are anywhere near the level of Stokes and Root who have been carrying them for a while now. As has been said elsewhere, it's quite hard to be dropped from this team.
A shame for Wood, but leaving injured was even more predictable than the current scoreline. Yeah, I doubt he'll play again. I wish the batsmen got injured like the bowlers do!
Well then, here we are, the start of the summer. What has changed since The Ashes? Is Emilio Gay the answer? Or is Ollie Robinson?
Is it my imagination or does Stokes look leaner?
Is it my imagination or does Stokes look leaner?
I thought exactly the same, definitely seems to have lost a bit of muscle.
Is Emilio Gay the answer?
I've been a bit out of touch. Has Crawley been dropped or is he injured?
Morning everyone, good reminder, I've pulled out the cream/ the bone/ the white/ the off white/ the ivory/ the beige jacket and settled in for a morning's listening.
I've been a bit out of touch. Has Crawley been dropped or is he injured?
Dropped. As has Ollie Pope.
Ah praise jebus, the ECB isn't entirely braindead machomen ignoring all the evidence of the viewing public's eyes - just 80% that. Hurrah!
WTaF! 🤣
Well done Oli Robinson, but someone should be coaching him on interviews. He was understandably fired up/emotional, but something the lines of "I was really pleased, luck was on my side and it's settled the nerves, but it's day 1 of a six test summer and we've won nothing yet. I can't wait to get stuck in tomorrow and repay the chance the team have given me".
The Aussies would have used that interview to motivate themselves to knock him back down if it was an Ashes day. I'm sure the English media will do the job soon enough. Some great bowling though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c0ry801k2geo
Colossal arrogance?
A feeling of complete immunity?
Just not very bright?
Or a brave leader prepared to bend the rules to bring a team together?
It's still days and days to go to the next test, so of no performance relevance but considering backdrop, the optics are pretty dreadful.
If he's dropped as captain; I'm not sure on current form, and with a poor history of breaking down physically, he justifies a place in the team at all.
The moment I heard it trailed on the radio as breaking news my heart sank, have they learned nothing / not again.
However, when they went to the article, and having read that too I'm putting the build your own gallows kit away for a bit.
They're not banned from going out. The game was over and there's a week and half until the next one. While you can raise questions about judgement of being out at all, I have seen at least one rumour (and stress it's just that) that someone started something on them which escalated, and these reports and investigations have had to be disclosed because otherwise the gossip starts instead.
I'm calling innocent until proven guilty for now.
Seems that the incident also involves the Saracens rugby team on their end of season do. The more I’m reading, the worse it seems to look. But irrelevant, given the uproar around The Ashes then I don’t see why they’re anywhere near a nightclub, that’s just asking for trouble.
As for Stokes, I had a fear that mid series we would be asking questions about why someone who is struggling with the bat and can’t bowl is in the team. This may just make any decision earlier and easier than planned.
The only question is who’s going to captain? Brook doesn’t seem like the right decision and I’m not sure there’s anyone else who could do it bar Root who won’t.
The BBC and Guardian are saying the team was still under curfew. If that's true, then with everything that went on over the winter Stokes has to lose the captaincy at least. Only excuse would be if there was something like he was at his hotel, heard Atkinson was still out so went to get him.
I'm a huge Stokes fan, but I'm not sure I can see a good ending for him here.
Reading more, it seems Stokes and Atkinson weren't the aggressors but were still in a nightclub after the curfew...
It feels like there needs to be a hard review of the team and the culture in it. Stokes, McCullen and Key (and Brook) all need to be in the spotlight. I'd be paying good money to get Justin Langer over and sort the mess out.
But irrelevant, given the uproar around The Ashes then I don’t see why they’re anywhere near a nightclub, that’s just asking for trouble.
Exactly. Stupidity beyond belief.
For god sake you'd think with his history Stokes would know better by now, should be tucked up in be by 10:30 with a nice cup of coco
So, if Stokes does have to step away for one match or plenty who takes his place?
Rehan Ahamed as a spinning allrounder who could probably bat 7. Just got a 6 for and batted number 3 for England Lions (in a one day match) then drop Bashir for another pace bowler
Will Jacks for the same.
Maybe Sam Curran. Given the percentage of the bowling Stokes contributed to the last test (10%) I reckon a canny T20 bowler able to throw down plenty of variety may be a suitable replacement and a good clubber with the bat for the 7 spot.
And replacing Stokes, dropped for disciplinary reasons, as captain with Brooks feels more than a little absurd - is there a Brearley character grafting away in the counties that might not get into the team on merit but could spank a little discipline into a broken team? Lewis Gregory perhaps and he take the allrounder position. Or give it to Robinson as a born again, lean again, passionate team player and Sussex skipper. Or drop Duckett and replace him with the 100% guaranteed sober Hameed and make him skipper.
It would be some turnaround to give it to Robinson! What the hell was Stokes thinking, is he a bit dim? I’m sure I saw an article last year in which he said he was off the booze?
Stokes and Atkinson out, Root with the captaincy.
Not sure if this says more around Stokes, Atkinson or Brook’s captaincy potential.
