[Closed] Most Over Rated Band In History.

I would disagree about the Sex Pistols - they defined a whole generation through their style and attitude. Yes they were a manufactured boy band and they weren't the first to make 'punk rock'. But they completely changed the face of music in the UK. I wish I had been old enough to have understood what was going on in 75/76 and to have been able to see them live.

The Beatles are the most under-rated band around here!
They more or less invented Pop music as we know it.

And that's a good thing?

PWEI?

Hardly 'over-rated'. They barely made it to mainstream so they can't be classed as OVER rated surely?

they can't be overrated only about 3 people like them.

that's why i began with "on this forum?". barely a music thread goes by without them turning up..

A whole new style of playing? educate me - must be a youtube clip you can show me to demonstrate

FFS

He set the blueprint for heavy metal soloing. Although tapping had been around for years, never to the extent he employed it. His technique was so revolutionary he soloed with his back to the audience so as to hide his technique.

Nobody played like EVH before, but millions have since. He is one of the most influential guitarists of all time.

Really? Youtube clip that shows how this is differnt from clapton or Hendrix?

Millions have followed his style? really? More influential than Clapton or Hendrix?

I'd vote for:

The Beatles - not 'cos they weren't great, or innovative, but because no band is more consistently lionized by the likes of arse face Paul Gambaccini with a load of simplistic "they invented the '60s" nonsense. A shock to the establishment? Was Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da a shock to the establishment? Was it?

The Sex Pistols - I love the ideas behind them and John Lydon was the most amazing frontman and lyricist, but the music was boring pub rock which reduced the radical ideas of punk to wearing a leather jacket and a mohican.

The Velvet Underground - inept art rock, equating being a junkie with artistic achievement, sod off.

Yup, more influenced by EVH than any of the above you mention, c'ept EVH was influenced by them, well thats a different matter..

Randy Rhodes.. give me a buscuit "spits crubs out over keyboard" the lad was rubbish.
Now Jake E Lee, at least that lad had styleee..

SInce we're talking hair guitarists, one underated, certainly in my eyes.. Warren DeMartino out of Ratt..

Really? Youtube clip that shows how this is differnt from clapton or Hendrix?

Millions have followed his style? really? More influential than Clapton or Hendrix?

One word: tapping

He didn't invent it, but he popularised it and took it too new levels. It's the cornerstone of heavy metal soloing.

Listen to or watch Eruption

He's definitely up there with Clapton or Hendrix. I'm sure it was Tom Morello who said that in the legacy of guitar playing, there was Hendrix and then there was Van Halen and those are the two critical turning points in the history of guitar playing.

On EVH...

Eddie Van Halen is commonly known for his innovative performing and recording styles in blues-based rock, tapping, intense solos and high frequency feedback

[i]The All Music Guide has described him as "Second to only Jimi Hendrix...undoubtedly one of the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the 20th century.".[/i]

And conversely

He is ranked 70th on the Rolling Stone list of Top 100 guitarists.

Now Jake E Lee, at least that lad had styleee..

Are you talking about the same Jake E Lee that was in Ozzy Osbourne's band after RR died? Apart from 'Bark at the Moon' (the song), I don't remember any of his guitar playing to be near to compare to RR's - Suicide Solution, Over the Mountain, Mr Croweley...

there was Hendrix and then there was Van Halen and those are the two critical turning points in the history of guitar playing.

Yep, both re-wrote the book when they developed their style.

You know, it is possible to be the 'greatest' band ever, yet be so far out in front by popular opinion, to also be the most overrated .. 😉

And scousers.

Eddie Van Halen is commonly known for his innovative performing and recording styles in blues-based rock, tapping, intense solos and high frequency feedback

Clapton copy then with a bit of Townsend thrown in?

Van Halen were also enormous in the US, but less so here so their influence is probably less apparent in the UK. They were the ultimate college frat boy party soundtrack in the eighties. Unbelievably big in the US.

Being popular in the US makes you great? I always thought that Van Halen were second rate copies of the real thing

If you think so TJ, then yes - that definitely IS your opinion.

I just copied and pasted the Wiki entry on him so clearly that opinion of him is[b] commonly known [/b] but, as always, you know better than common opinion.

Clapton copy then with a bit of Townsend thrown in

Clapton's far from original.

were second rate copies of the real thing

The real thing being bands like Deep purple, black sabbath, Cream and so on. The 70s originals

The real thing being....

A tremendous album.

The real thing being bands like Deep purple, black sabbath, Cream and so on. The 70s originals

TJ, perhaps you could tell us what you feel best defines greatness?

If it's not sales, and it's not popularity (and I wouldn't disagree with that), what is it?

The real thing?

ICMC

Problem with all music threads is a lot of it is about taste and opiniion. No hard facts. I must confess I had never heard EVH referred to in this reverential way before.

Cougar - Member
The real thing being....
A tremendous album.

And great live.

Cougar - Member

TJ, perhaps you could tell us what you feel best defines greatness?

If it's not sales, and it's not popularity (and I wouldn't disagree with that), what is it?

Impossible to define - a lot of it is about taste - critical acclaim?

mastiles_fanylion - Member

The real thing being bands like Deep purple, black sabbath, Cream and so on. The 70s originals

But Van Halen are an entirely different sort of band to any of them so hardly a copy.

I thought they were supposed to be metal - a style created in the UK in the 70s by bands such as I mention - no?

mikey74

EVH is nothing compared to those people. A decent guitarist perhaps but nothing compared to the greats - maybe Moore should not be in that list.

A whole new style of playing? educate me - must be a youtube clip you can show me to demonstrate

I can't at the moment, but I will find something when I get home tonight.

The fact is that EVH inspired a whole new generation to pick up a guitar, and that is undeniable.

cream are ****ing awful.

'supergroups' are nearly always disappointing

Problem with all music threads is a lot of it is about taste and opiniion.

I must confess I had never heard EVH referred to in this reverential way before.

And I state above that he leaves me cold. But I also know that he is regarded as a very good player and very influential.

It is no wonder people keep getting drawn into arguments with you.

Mikey - I'll be interested to see that.

But inspired a whole generation? Is that not overstating it a bit? I was a huge metal fan back in the day and found them dull and derivative and basically uninspiring.

I thought they were supposed to be metal - a style created in the UK in the 70s by bands such as I mention - no?

Black Sabbath perhaps yes (as the term was invented for them IIRC). But Van Halen play an entirely different genre of metal so can't be said to copy them anyway - not unless there is any similarities in how they compose their music, such as the off-key style Sabbath are known for. I don't see any similarities in their styles at all - please feel free to point me in the direction of examples of where they have copied them though.

Anyway, my selection

Muse - Pompous overblown dirge. They should've stuck to being 2nd rate mid-90s sounding Radiohead clones instead of reinventing themselves as Queen.

Kings of Leon - "rock" music for people that don't like rock music. The guys voice makes me want to hurt him.

Abba - Just awful. I cannot even begin to comprehend their popularity. I refuse to believe any true music fan likes them, and they're only popular with the type of people that buy one record a year and don't actually like music.

Was Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da

the fact that this is one of the better tracks on the White Album says it all really, god what a pile of poo that album is & massively rated too! Should have just released "Revolution" as a single & be done with it

I like Abba

😛

I like Abba

You, and a million other women. Therein lies the problem.

MF - I was a heavy metal fan back in the 70s and these bands created and defined the genre. All "metal" bands that followed were following them.

Van halen a diffent genre? so not heavy metal then at all? 😕

dickyboy,

are you joking? the white has on it (from memory) Blackbird, Helter Skelter, Back in the USSR, Dear prudence, While my guitar gentle weeps, martha my dear, Yer blues.

boardinbob, what has my being a girl, and liking abba got to with anything?

You are not qualified to comment on Hair metal - a music for unwashed male teenagers 🙂

boardinbob, what has my being a girl, and liking abba got to with anything?

Abba = music for women, and women buy some amount of crap music. 😆

MF - I was a heavy metal fan back in the 70s and these bands created and defined the genre. All "metal" bands that followed were following them.

Van halen a diffent genre? so not heavy metal then at all?

And Van Halen are an entirely different genre or metal yes. You have your heavy rock, heavy metal, nu wave metal, hair rock, glam rock, thrash metal, death metal...

I ask you again - show me how Van Halen copied Purple, Sabbath or Cream if you actually believe what you are saying.

here are TJ and MF arguing the toss about about heavy metal, and your accusing me of crap music tastes?

😆

These bands created the genre did they not? along with others. a lot later another band comes along and plays a the same genre. Pure co incidence?

All bands that play in an existing genre are copying the originators of that genre

I didn't think you were old enough to have been going to see these bandsin the 70s

Note to self: Do not click on this thread again, it's not getting any better.

I've decided. It's Queen.

Emsz

are you joking?

Nope - look at the full track listing, it is 90% pure drivel

These bands created the genre did they not? along with others. a lot later another band comes along and plays a the same genre. Pure co incidence?

All bands that play in an existing genre are copying the originators of that genre

I didn't think you were old enough to have been going to see these bands in the 70s

They play the same style of music. They didn't copy them. There is a huge difference. It s like saying Rene Magritte copied Salvador Dali because they are both surrealist painters.

I went to my first gig in 1981, aged 14.