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The Beatles were just a bit before my time but they were unique and have made a huge contribution to music. I'm not actually a fan but recognise their achievements.
Blimey, I'm agreeing with TJ - Floyd are over-rated!
so how else would you measure the best then elfy darling?
So you're measuring quality by quantity of records sold then?
Ok, so you must therefore think that Mariah Carey is one of the greatest music artists of all time then? 😕
Nowt special ~Elf - influential? How many folk wanted to play like him? took up guitar to be like him? does he stand alongside the giants?
Erm, well I've known several who rate Gilmore as one of the very best, and yes, they do want to emulate him. I think he does stand amongst the 'giants', yes.
Floyd are badly overrated imo as well
I disagree entirely. Watch 'Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii'. Then come back and we'll discuss. 🙂
The Beatles were just a bit before my time but they were unique and have made a huge contribution to music. I'm not actually a fan but recognise their achievements.
I'm not disputing that, CG. Just pointing out that they're overrated; if you're talking purely in musical terms.
Seems that the mere suggestion that the Beatles might be a teensy bit overrated is treated as heresy, blasphemy even! 😀
The problem with naming bands like Nirvana, Beatles etc as over rated is that they have actually done some great stuff....the Nevermind album from Nirvana is superb, every track potentially a hit single and no fillers to bulk it out with....rare in this day and age....and completely different to some of the self indulgent shite they did afterwards.
My dad has every Beatles album and will happily listen to every track, i dont see the appeal in that respect but songs like Lucy In The Sky, Eleanor Rigby, Come Together and A Day In The Life are brilliant....again, completely different to the garbage like I Wanna Hold Your Hand or Love Love Me Do.
The Rolling Stones have done some sublime stuff....Sympathy For The Devil, Paint It Black, Gimme Shelter are all true classics and it shouldnt detract from the some of the pish they've also put out.
Basically if a band is around for any length of time then they will put out some good and some bad....perhaps a better question would be what is the most over rated album you can think of?
For me that would be the recent album by The XX, it was masturbated over by just about everybody in the industry so i bought it....utter wrist slitting crap.
For me a great band is one that releases an album that you listen to and cant believe your luck that there are 10+ tracks that are all brilliant, its a rare thing.
Pink Floyd....Another Brick In The Wall, Comfortably Numb, Money, Wish You Were Here....amazing songs and stuff that up and coming bands would love to produce.
Led Zep....Good Times Bad Times, You Shook Me, Whole Lotta Love, Stairway To Heaven, Kashmir, All Of My Love....
no bands putting out these kinds of tracks that are still downloaded by 20 year olds 30-40 years after the original releases can be considered over rated.
Elf - I've seen Dave Gilmore a few times. I also saw Floyd when they presented Dark Side of the Moon at Wembley in 1970-something.
As TJ says, there's better guitarists - B B King, Hendrix, Gary Moore and my current fave Joe Bonamassa.
so you must therefore think that Mariah Carey is one of the greatest music artists of all time then?
yep, but i prefer her tribute act
Elf - floyd was acceptable in the 70s but nowadays? really you should know better. decent band of their time but sooooooooooooooooobadly dated
here is another overated band - the smiths. Morrisy a decent wordsmith but the fawning over the Marr is well ott
When I first heard Teen Spirit I thought it was just a Pixies rip off.
Still do.
I will also add Talking Heads to the list.
CG; you are truly spoiled. 🙁
As TJ says, there's better guitarists - B B King, Hendrix, Gary Moore and my current fave Joe Bonamassa.
TJ sez a lot of things.
Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist, and up there with those TJ's mentioned, imo. Different to most of those others, being that they're mainly Blues and R+R guitarists, but just as good technically. Just cos it don't move you don't mean it ain't good.
The problem with naming bands like Nirvana, Beatles etc as over rated is that they have actually done some great stuff
I've said this. And explained why the Beatles are [i]overrated[/i], but people seem to be missing the point somewhat...
Oh and another Solo artist that people wet themselves over, that I just don't think was deserving of quite such an exalted status, is Michael Jackson. There is not one MJ song in my iTunes. I think he had a couple of good tunes, Billie Jean and Smooth Criminal being two of them, but Earth Child? 😯 Please.
Yet mention MJ in any negative context, and oh my God his fayns will descend on you like a pack of hyenas.
Another who benefited enormously from having a svengali to guide him. But later stuff, which is much more his own, is utter shite, let's be honest.
Is he?Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist,
Anyway influential was the claim - and who wanted to be glimour? copy his paying style?
IMO he is no where near the greats
nilson is one of the most under rated but he did not write ken lee iirc
Qwality link tazzy
I quite like floyd, i would never describe them as a fav band but i have many of their albums.
MJ was always poor IMHO and yes his fans love him even though his relations with children is at best dubious and his music utter garbish
Anyway influential was the claim - and who wanted to be glimour? copy his paying style?
Plenty, I'd imagine.
IMO he is no where near the greats
And IMO he is. Who is right?
(Actually it's me so don't bother arguing)
Elf - yes I've been spoiled by the 70's, it really was a fantastic era for so many different types of music. 8) I felt part of it, you know, living in That Lundun!
yep, but I prefer her tribute act
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[i]Ken lee, tulibu dubu douchou[/i]
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No stoppit now it's not funny.
Don't knock Gilmour, technical prowess teamed with feeling and delicacy.
If a day of reckoning ever comes and the spaceman says 'what have you humans done that's any use?' We could say we made music. And if they asked to hear music, we'd pop on Darkside and the human race would be spared.
Best guitarist ever? Hendrix.
And if they asked to hear music, we'd pop on [s]Darkside[/s] the cheeky girls and the human race would be spared.
the beatles churned out quality from rubber soul onwards in my opinion , listen to every beatles album from rubber soul onwards and realise how many great tracks they cut ...in the early days over rated but churned out single after single for the masses , which is a talent in itself , FACT the beatles shaped music and society more than any other artist of the time !!!
I am the walrus ,coo coo cachoo
TandemJeremy - MemberGilmour is a fantastic guitarist,
Is he?Anyway influential was the claim - and who wanted to be glimour? copy his paying style?
IMO he is no where near the greats
Some times you talk pi5h
But its not your fault that you have no taste, its your upbringing. 8)
Steve - really? Influential like Les paul? a great like clapton?
Eric Clapton was a racist...
i think elf theory is basically this.
All taste in music is subjective. Therefore it is really impossible to rate bands more highly than one another and all bands must be at the same level.
Thefore the band that is considered to best or the most highly rated is also the band that is the most over rated.
This band is probably the beatles.
At first I thought U2 but actually if you just listen to the music and ignore the arseholes singing it it's actually not too bad.
So I'm going for the Smiths. I seriously have never been able to get what that's about. I've never heard a Smiths song that didn't make me cringe at how ridiculous the people are who think they're great. Normal, sensible people who I respect will tell me Morrisy is some sort of genius when it's clear to my dog he's misguided, naive and childish. The songs all sound like a whining teenager bitching about his pocket money and he's so up his own bum I just want to slap some sense into him.
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Steve - really? Influential like Les paul? a great like clapton?
Sorry Claptout, i would have given you the benifit of the doubt untill you said that.
Talk about overrated.
Gilmore is class, its as simple as that.
samuri - MemberSo I'm going for the Smiths. I seriously have never been able to get what that's about. I've never heard a Smiths song that didn't make me cringe at how ridiculous the people are who think they're great. Normal, sensible people who I respect will tell me Morrisy is some sort of genius when it's clear to my dog he's misguided, naive and childish. The songs all sound like a whining teenager bitching about his pocket money and he's so up his own bum I just want to slap some sense into him.
Oh boy do you speak the truth. I would do time for the Smiths if i had a baseball bat and a spare 10 mins. 😀
And now I have read the responses.
Jebus! ACDC? Did someone say Hendrix?
Crack, on, are, you?
I guess there's no accounting for muscial taste but anyone who refuses to accept the influence that the beatles and hendrix and the stones had on the world should accept that their own view of music is heavily restricted.
The beatles changed the musical world. You don't have to like them but over rated? Nope, sorry. You're wrong. It was a revolution and it affected the music you like today, get your head round it.
Take that, just raping hard earned cash off middle-aged housewives.not a band but Elvis friggin prestley ,absolute rubbish. This is not fact only my opinion:)
I will help you do the slapping there samurai imagine him squealing not the face not the face...I may have thought about that too much there
elfin would never argue his point that well or coherently or without any mockney
Please watch the tazzy clip
This is my last post on the subject but again....it's not just the music but the influence. If Elvis made himself famous by producing idle pop trash, I'd agree with you but he made himself famous by totally changing the world. Not just the music world, but the world. He's one of the most famous people who ever lived, in the top ten for most people I'd say, and he was just a singer.
Influencial? Mother of god, yes!!! Over rated? His music might have been but how he changed the world should be rated alongside the influence Caesar and Hitler had on us.
The beatles (and others) changed the [b]Western commercial[/b] musical world.
FTFY.
There are artists in India, China, Brazil/South America etc who outsell most Western artists many times over. Artists you've never heard of.
But hey, what does the rest of the non-English speaking World matter, eh? 🙄
it affected the music you like today, get your head round it.
Funny; last I checked, The Beatles were around sometime after Mozart, Beethoven and the like were doing their thang... 😕
And how d'you know what [i]I[/i] listen to? Are you familiar with all of [i]my[/i] musical choices and tastes? No din't think so be quiet now pliz thnx.
Influencial? Mother of god, yes!!! Over rated? His music might have been but how he changed the world should be rated alongside the influence Caesar and Hitler had on us.
Now you're just babbling. 😐
This is my last post on the subject
Thank heavens for small mercies... 😉
i thought my suggestion for Beatles would be controversial but obviously not
It is, but I can't be bothered to argue with you 🙂
Probably Metallica for me.. despite liking other thrash, I don't really get them at all.
U2 are shite as well.
ACDC.. good rock and I enjoy listening to them, but they are overrated.
unfortunately I now have "ken lee" stuck in my head and know it will come back to haunt me. probably on some godawful grunting climb 😯
The Beatles are the most under-rated band around here!
They more or less invented Pop music as we know it. They were a complete shock to the establishment when they appeared. As were the Pistols in the mid 70s.
Time for a new Revolution but from where?
Re: Van Halen
One of the most influential guitarists in history?Duane Eddy, Les Paul. Clapton, Santana, Chuck berry, Hendrix, Gary Moore, BB king, these are the sort of names of influential guitarists.
Yes, ONE of the most influential guitarists in history. He practically invented a whole new style of playing. Unlike Gary Moore, who you mention: As much as I rate him and loved the music of his rock era (he was my first guitar hero, alongside Mark Knopfler), he could hardly be described as being innovative.
If you don't think Eddie Van Halen deserves to be alongside the other names you mention, then you clearly don't know anything about the guitar. Pick up any guitar publication and they will refer to EVH in similar reverence as those other names you mention.
Back to hair metal..
I got three for the bands (I think) Poison, VanHalen (who should never be tagged in the hiar metal genre) dunno the third but I think it could be Cinderella and White Lion (again how you can dump them into hair metal is way beyond me, Vito Baretta is an unbeleivable guitarist)
So who was the third band?
on this forum? PWEI. They were decent, not great.
Third - Warrant
Fourth... keep guessing....
on this forum? PWEI. They were decent, not great.
they can't be overrated only about 3 people like them.
anyone who says hendrix is over rated ..please he is still relevant some would say ahead of his time ,IMHO still ahead of todays sounds,music,beats,rythym whatever you want to call it
watch any Jimi concert half the audience are stoned and half cannot take in what is happening ...where did he pull those sounds from ?
PWEI?
Hardly 'over-rated'. They barely made it to mainstream so they can't be classed as OVER rated surely?
Stone Roses and in particular Ian Brown solo. Jesus wept my bestmate literally wants to bum him yet its just 90's catchy-tuned stuff.
mikey74
EVH is nothing compared to those people. A decent guitarist perhaps but nothing compared to the greats - maybe Moore should not be in that list.
A whole new style of playing? educate me - must be a youtube clip you can show me to demonstrate
IMO a 'great' guitarist doesn't have to be technically gifted, just be able to move people with their playing.
For example - Joe Bonamassa. He bores me to tears. He might be wonderful but he simply doesn't inspire me. It's the same with ClappedOut.
Gary Moore is another - just no spark for me - in either his early rock days or his more recent bluesy stuff. And I would say EVH too - apart from perhaps on Beat It where the rock guitars lit up the song wonderfully.
For me, musicians that really do it for me are Randy Rhodes, Slash, Lemmy (bass I know, but who cares) and Gilmour too. Perhaps it is simply because when you watch him he seems to be 'feeling' his way around the guitar and he takes you with him, I dunno. And BB King too for sure - just oozed style as he played. I could also watch Jools Holland on his piano all day long. Probably quite happy to do so with no sound 🙂
Disagree that Madonna's overrated. A lot of it is filler, obviously, and I dismissed her as just another disposable pop bimbo until I heard Like A Prayer, specifically the bass run on the 12" version, which is the sort of thing I never thought I'd hear on a cheesy pop record. Anyone who's prepared to allow real virtuosity on their records when it won't make them sell a single further copy is OK in my book.
Or just listen to pretty much the whole of Ray Of Light, her seventh album, and probably her best to date. How many artists are producing their best work 15 or more years after their first success?
You may not like Madonna - fair enough - but to call her overrated is probably inaccurate. She's certainly had a pretty major impact, although to be fair she's also responsible for foisting Alanis Morissette on the world (signed her to her own Maverick label) so for that she deserves a good punch.
I think the sex pistols are over-rated
I think the jam are over-rated
My friend thinks U2 are over-rated