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Cream, awful? Eh? 3 of the best rock musicians ever (leaving aside Clapton's dodgy views). Jack Bruce was phenominal, surely?
For me Oasis and U2 are vastly overrated. Closely followed by Coldsore and Snow Patrol etc. Then the new generation of karaoke singers from the TV talent shows. Who was that lass who murdered Leonard Cohen's masterpiece, Hallelujah? Did she listen to the lyrics?
Another vote for Nirvana. Remember seeing them at reading in 91? They were near the bottom of the bill and deservedly so, on that day Mudhoney, Dinosaur Jr, Silverfish, Babes in Toyland and whoever else played were far superior. Then they came back as headline the next year, again they were crap.
Has anyone mentioned Joy division?
Yes I was talking 'bout (love) hahaha Jake E Lee, he did indeed replace RR, and created a more coherant OO for future years, OO followed the format JEL created to huge sucess. I suspect RR would have ended up going all introverted and coming up with odd phrasing and chord structures. SOme of RR's work is gobbledegook at best, with random phrasing. His only saving grace was his tone and Flying V.
Another great guitarist..
George Lynch (he of Dokken fame)
Nobody played like EVH before, but millions have since. He is one of the most influential guitarists of all time.
Very true.
TJ - get Van Halen 1 (with Eruption on it). Look at the date of release (1977).
Find me one example of that combination of whammy bay dives, pick harmonics, two hand tapping, Variac'd Marshall for even more distortion etc. before that album.
He changed guitar playing, for better or worse I dunno, but he is up there with Hendrix et al.
You'll be saying Bert Jansch didn't change owt next 🙂
Stone Roses - everyone on Facebook is ****ing on about them ad infinitum.
Find me one example of that combination of whammy bay dives, pick harmonics, two hand tapping,
Great, all the worst, most-over-used cliches in rock guitar! What a legacy. Up there with Hendrix, pfffftttt.
Not a band, but Prince has to be one of the most over-rated artists around IMO. Bob Dylan too, great songwriter but awful performer.
Abba = music for women, and women buy some amount of crap music.
Hugely underrated, ABBA. Complex song structures, fantastic production techniques (for the mid-70s), bleak tyrics. And I'm a bloke, so ner to your girly comment.
"These walls have witnessed all the anguish of humiliation
And seen the hope of freedom glow in shining faces
And now they've come to take me
Come to break me
And yet it isn't unexpected
I have been waiting for these visitors
Help me "
Written in their [i]second[/i] language. Not exactly Agadoo, is it?
And TJ
If Van Halen copied Black Sabbath, why didn't Eddie hack a finger off and replace it with a stump made of roughly-made metal and tape it into place so he could get the same sound as Tony Iiomi?
That Toni Iommi bloke has a book out at the mo'
[url= http://www.guitarworld.com/tony-iommi-and-eddie-van-halen-cast-giant-shadow ]EVH and Tony Iommi article[/url]
That Toni Iommi bloke has a book out at the mo'
He does. And he is suggesting Sabbath may write an album and tour with Ozzy. I will be first in the queue for that 😈
Great, all the worst, most-over-used cliches in rock guitar! What a legacy. Up there with Hendrix, pfffftttt.
It isn't a cliche if you are more or less the inventor. Imagine what it would have been like hearing that for the first time (I'm assuming you play here...) - if you don't think that would have been mind blowing I can't help you 🙂
The only other guy I've heard since then that had that effect on me was Tom Morello. Matt Bellamy has a shout from innovative use of things like MIDI controllers too I suppose.
Much as I love Jimi it's safe to say there were plenty of technically better guitarists around at the time, but most of them were playing jazz. I just like the sound Jimi made better 🙂
bumps fists with nickf
Oasis (although I'm sure it's been said already). Also the Stone Roses as above, although I suppose you might argue in their defence that they were establishing a new-ish genre, even if they weren't very good.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'll have a little listen to van halen again then - everyday is a school day ( maybe) :-).
So most overrated band? You know what - I never really thought that much of Led Zeppelin 🙂
*runs away*
Hugely underrated, ABBA. Complex song structures, fantastic production techniques (for the mid-70s), bleak tyrics. And I'm a bloke, so ner to your girly comment."These walls have witnessed all the anguish of humiliation
And seen the hope of freedom glow in shining faces
And now they've come to take me
Come to break me
And yet it isn't unexpected
I have been waiting for these visitors
Help me "Written in their second language. Not exactly Agadoo, is it?
Nick is a strange name for a girl...
TJ thems fighting words
I've lived through 3 Abba revivals and have no wish to do another.
My wife did walk up the aisle to Arrival so bit of a soft spot for that one.( the song not the album,by the way!)
It isn't a cliche if you are more or less the inventor. Imagine what it would have been like hearing that for the first time (I'm assuming you play here...) - if you don't think that would have been mind blowing I can't help you
Hmmm.... mind-blowing in a way I guess, technically impressive certainly, but it just has no soul and therefore does nothing for me. It's just empty showmanship IMHO.
And TJ, Led Zeppelin? Come on......
I am with TJ there - never been keen on Zep even when all my mates were wandering around school with copies of Physical Graffiti under their arms.
Kashmir is a wonder sound though.
Tom Morello does some get pretty wierd sounds out of his axe.
Im loving the Elf and TJ failing to understand this is all subjective, yet TJ spouts as carved in stone fact.
How long before the Edinburgh defence is called into play? Shortly after he listens to VH again?
Muse +1
Coldplay and U2 not really critically acclaimed enough to count as overrated IMO (they are crap though).
Got to be The Beatles hasn't it? Never had one of their songs stick in my head, apart from Here Comes the Sun - which doesn't really count because it was a George song (and he is underrated).
Having just heard Manic Street Preachers massacare The The's This is the day on the radio I would like to add them to my list - utter toss band
bigyinn - Member.............and TJ failing to understand this is all subjective, yet TJ spouts as carved in stone fact.
TandemJeremy
Problem with all music threads is a lot of it is about taste and opiniion. No hard facts.
🙂
Having a listen to van halen now. Nothing in there that seems anything special to me.
+1 Manics
+1 Radiohead
The 1990s have a lot to answer for.
hat are you listening to TJ?
Having a listen to van halen now. Nothing in there that seems anything special to me.
To be honest TJ, and don't take this the wrong way, it is irrelevant what you think. The fact is that he is one of the most influential guitarist of the last 30-40 years and DID inspire a whole generation to pick up the guitar and play it in a new way.
Ohh **** I can never do this linking to video lark.
MF - spotify. Listened to to part of the first two albums ( the tracks acclaimed in the spotify blurb), now listening to the greatest hits remasterd.
Mikey - I really think you overstate the case. Compared to people that really were influential like Clapton, hendrix, les Paul etc. EVH did not carry a worldwide across the board influence in the way they did did he?
Oh - I don't take that the wrong way of course - but you are giving your opinion as fact 🙂 Its all opinion.
I have learnt something tho - they were around earlier than I thought they were
Have you listened to the solo that is eruption then yet?
Yup - and listened to it agan just now. when was it recorded? sounds like a lot of stuff I heard from the mid 70s. Clichéd and self indulgent. Sounds very like clapton as well to me.
Oh - I don't take that the wrong way of course - but you are giving your opinion as fact Its all opinion.
It is not my opinion, but the opinion of the majority of the guitar world. Personally speaking, I prefer the playing of Randy Rhoads and Tony Iommi, but having spent most of my youth reading guitar magazines I can see just how much influence he had.
Hard rock/metal guitar playing was not the same before EVH.
I would say that EVH influenced just as many people to pick up the guitar as Clapton - that is my personal view, based on experience.
*sighs*
guys, really, even I can do passable van Halen guitar ****ing. most of it is just a bunch of arpeggios and scales, with a bit of bach thrown in every now and again. it's intricate, but technically it's not *that* hard. It's showing off.
good music has never been and never will be about how many notes/min.
Mikey - did his influence ever extend beyond the genre?
Eruption that MF suggested - teh opening chord is a straight steal from Jailbreak. Most of it sounds like Yes from the mid 70s to me ( although that was keyboard)
Hugely underrated, ABBA.
+1. The Best Pop band Ever.
Madge; eat yer knickers!
Im loving the Elf and TJ failing to understand this is all subjective
In TJ;'s case it may be; I'm simply stating fact. 😐
*hugs Elfin*
Thing I like about ABBA is the lack of pretence - no claim to be anything but a pop band having fun playing simple songs.
No but it's true; they were ****ing brilliant. I grew up with Abba. They form part of the soundtrack to my life.
Erm.. ABBA had huge egos.
AN dthe blond one finaly married her stalker dontchaknow
Mikey - to keep this drifting off topic 🙂 - two of the greats together
I'll just 2nd the vote for Led Zeppelin;- never did anything for me and I fail to understand why they get so much airplay now.
Good call TJ 8)
In TJ;'s case it may be; I'm simply stating fact.
🙄
Stop playing to the gallery, go to the back to the room and face the wall! When you're ready to play nicely I'll consider your request.
votes are so far
Beatles 12
Oasis 9
U2 7
Radiohead 5
Coldplay 4 tied with
Stone roses
then loads on 2 votes muse, smiths, Rolling stones, pink floyd, Bon Jovi, Mettalica, Led Zep, and manics
then a whole bunch of argueing about blokes with v small willies making up for it by showing off with their extensions. 😆 (JOKE)
final votes?
LOLz at emsz
Beatles innit?
See, I was right all along. Why anyone is foolish enough to question me, I really don't know.... 🙄
How does Emsz know how big or small our willies are? 😯