I dont want to come over all STW pedant here, but isnt it illegal to use a mobile with the engine running? Watch out plod dont see ya.
I'm reading between lines and going to venture that the op was deliberately trying to wind up the couple by checking emails etc knowing they were waiting. Apologies if incorrect.
Apology accepted. There was an important email on this day that needed actioning, but that's not the point. The point is her behaviour which seems to be acceptable in these parts.
When she asked me if I was leaving, I said yes I was within a couple of minutes. I wasn't more than the couple of minutes I promised. In the mean time a neighbour came out and left a space. She then decided to block me in what she admitted was petty revenge so the husband could park and offer his opinion.
Fair dos OP, I'm also a city centre resident and often end up parking 15m walk away so feel your disgruntlement!
[quote=captainsasquatch ]How does that make their, and her in particular, actions acceptable?
I don't think I suggested it did - she sounds like a complete loon - still seems a strange sequence.
I recommend that people understand what a public road is.
It's one where people who don't even live in the area have just as much right to park on as people who live on the street. HTH 😉
if I'm sitting in [i]my[/i] car, outside [i]my[/i] house, then I'll damned well take as long as I see necessary before I move off! It's nobody else's sodding business how long I take before driving away, it's a public road, they have no right to any particular section of it, and I won't inconvenience myself just to help make some random shoppers life a little easier.
Sorry, I think she was crazy. As was Mrs Bucket on the forecourt. I see enough of this self-centred behaviour everyday, it's not limited to drivers by any means either.
How does that make their, and her in particular, actions acceptable?
is it not some sort of law where if you are a bit of arse folk will be a bit of arse to you? I expect you to demonstrate this in your reply to me as I was a bt of an are then 😉
What you did was a bit strange - get in car, start engine, not move use phone whilst someone is waiting to park
What they did was just confrontational and nuts but i imagine her rationale was as she said - you wasted our time we will waste yours
Not defending it mind
Op seems completely reasonable here. Leave the house in the morning. Get in car, start car, plug.in car charger, see notifications, check mail,.respond if convenient, drive off
I won't inconvenience myself just to help make some random shoppers life a little easier.
That's nice. There's not enough selfishness in the world today. Just imagine how much better things would be if there was.
captainsasquatch - MemberMonday morning I was heading out to work mid-morning and sat in the car doing the usual stuff (start car, log mileage, set sat-nav and check emails)
Checking emails isn't part of driving.
Best to keep the task at hand.
Your phone/tablet should be off when in charge of your vehicle.
There was an important email on this day that needed [b]actioning[/b]...
Now y'see, I was just glossing over this thread, first world problems and all that, but then you state that you needed to [i]action[/i] an email? Why not just reply to it and go on your way, or even just look at it and then decide on your drive into work how you'd deal with it when you got there?
Sitting in your car 'actioning' emails whilst someone is waiting for you to gtf paints a different picture...
Did the husband park the car directly in front of yours. By standing in front of your car was she just holding you up for as long as necessary for her husband to manoeuvre his car in front of yours.
if I'm sitting in my car, outside my house, then I'll damned well take as long as I see necessary before I move off! It's nobody else's sodding business how long I take before driving away,
Although if it is public highway you don't have any more right to the patch in front of your house than anybody else, and don't forget about [url= http://www.highwaycode.info/rule/123 ]Highway code rule 123[/url]
Although if it is public highway you don't have any more right to the patch in front of your house than anybody else,
True, but the OP's point I believe is, nor do they.
To be fair I refrained from saying pre-launch checks
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It's too late now, but you should've got out your car and taken her photo, then told her she was gonna go viral for acting like a ****. I imagine, that would've probably riled her. "See you on Twitter" etc.
Leave the house in the morning. Get in car, start car, plug.in car charger, see notifications, check mail,.respond if convenient, drive off
Or you could, y'know, Get in car, plug.in car charger, see notifications, check mail,.respond if convenient, start car, drive off.
Is it just me that would've just driven off and smiled as she had to get out of the way?
Yeh?
Oh well - shouldn't be a such stupid cow.
Or you could, y'know, Get in car, plug.in car charger, see notifications, check mail,.respond if convenient, start car, drive off.
Won't charge if the car is not running. Also, there is usually a little less planning than you seem to imagine.
But thanks for the free advice, I guess it is true that you get what you pay for.
Is logging mileage with a company car a thing? The only time I look at the mileage is when I fill up as I can't get use the fuel card without that.
Also, first world problems. You held them up a bit, they held you up briefly. I bet you both lost more time than that driving on busy roads. As for the email, I'm also puzzled why you'd start the engine then read email rather than read it in the house or before starting the engine. Perhaps your "preflight checks" are too long as mine are "Get in car, dump phone into cup holder, put on seatbelt, start car" so there's not much important email that arrives in the 15 seconds that takes.
Won't charge if the car is not running.
I don't think I believe you.
What do you drive? I've never yet come across a car that doesn't arm the accessories socket in what used to be called "position 2" before all this auto-start nonsense, and most older cars in position 1, engine running or no.
On a vaguely related subject, I am astonished how many people don't put their seatbelt on until they are driving away. And then swerve all over the road while they do it.
For me, that's up there with not drying yourself BEFORE you get out of the shower, and dripping all over the bathroom floor. Ludicrous and unnecessary.
Did the husband park the car directly in front of yours. By standing in front of your car was she just holding you up for as long as necessary for her husband to manoeuvre his car in front of yours.
I was parked a couple of door down, as is normal, she wanted the space I was going to leave and was quite happy until a neighbour came out and moved his car. At this point she decided that she would block me in so hubby could park. It's a narrow street, so I couldn't go anywhere anyway. My beef is not with her standing infront of my car, nudging her out of the way would probably have ended with calls to the Police, my beef is that she said she'd done it deliberately to get back at me because she believed that I had deliberately done something to delay her or even prevent her from parking (and her husband's reaction).
It is a public road and I don't have any more rights than anyone else and it is part of living here.
I love the legal beagles who point out that I shouldn't be using the phone while in the car. Perhaps I should be done for not wearing a seatbelt for the nanoseconds before I have a chance to put it on. Perhaps there's even a rule in the Highway Code about not wearing the seatbelt too. 😆
Normal people would either wait patiently, or look for another space, or even put their hand in their pocket and pay the car park fee in the car park that is around the corner. Going ballistic because you haven't got your own way is pure childish. Interested how many haven't picked up on this. 😀
What do you drive? I've never yet come across a car that doesn't arm the accessories socket in what used to be called "position 2" before all this auto-start nonsense, and most older cars in position 1, engine running or no.
My car has one of these push button starter, so no position 2. It makes pre-launch checking a bit more realistic as I shout "start engines" before firing the old bird up.
Won't charge if the car is not running.
Depends on the car, Focus the power is always on!
Now we have all the info, I think we can agree that it's the neighbour who is to blame for all of this.
Or is it just me that thinks it's odd, after all that's been said, to wait until you get in your car and have started the engine to check your emails? Wouldn't it be easier/more natural to do this over a cup of coffee and your bowl of Rice Krispies or whatever? Isn't that what most people would do?
Of course, now that cars are "lifestyle accessories" rather than just, well, cars, people increasingly seem to treat them as an extension of their home/office.
So the couple have gone from bloody childish to most despicable and now going ballistic .
We are all different, but I would check the mileage when I stopped the car getting home from work, and I would would check email and action if needed before I leave the house, not sitting in a car with engine running when I know someone is waiting to take the space.
captainsasquatch - MemberYou mean you don't have a company car. how quaint.
captainsasquatch - MemberThere was an important email on this day that needed actioning,
Don't tell me....let me guess.....
Estate Agent? Toothpick salesman?
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captainsasquatch - MemberMy car has one of these push button starter, so no position 2. It makes pre-launch checking a bit more realistic as I shout "start engines" before firing the old bird up
Really?! Cars with those [s]ridiculous[/s] cool & manly starter buttons have no way of getting to position II in the ignition sequence?
Genuine question.....
So, if you get to a level crossing for example just as the barrier come down & you know that the chances are you are going to be waiting a while......if you turn the ignition off, do the fans for ventilation etc. still run? Or does the car have start-stop stuff that will do that, stopping the engine but keeping things going like stereo/lighter socket, fan blower thingy......
Is it keyless ignition or do you have to put the key in a slot - I think that's what you have to do on my Bro-In-Laws 3-series.....does putting the key in the slot, equate to position II and starting things off??
Anyhoo - woman sounds a bit nuts, but perhaps she was having the day from hell. I'd have smiled, perhaps blown her a kiss & wished her a pleasant day. Showing annoyance, just makes them think they have won. They want you to get riled, so being uber-pleasant probably makes their twitchy eye twitch that bit more vigorously.....
The few hire cars I have had with push starter pressing the button is pos 2/everything lights up. To start you have to press the button and press the clutch/brake.
No slot on a 1 series to put the key into. F10/30 are the same.
Press the button and all the ignition comes on full and no the - 12V socket is not live without it on. ( well it is for about 20s after opening the door then tis off again)
just to confirm, on my BMW (swoon) pushing the button without foot on the brake switches on the ignition, with foot on the brake it's straight to engine start.
Cars with those ridiculous cool & manly starter buttons have no way of getting to position II in the ignition sequence?
In my Hyundai you press once and ... something happens, I'm not sure what TBH. Not much, a few dashboard warning lights come on, oil and battery. Press it again and it arms proper, everything lights up, the radio comes on and so forth, and the accessory socket is live. A third time and it starts the engine; so just like the old mechanical 1-2-3. A fourth press shuts everything off, back to 0 if you will. It's a proximity key, just has to be in the car somewhere.
My previous car was a Mondeo, I think from memory it was broadly the same except there was no position 1. Might be misremembering, it was four years ago.
if you get to a level crossing for example just as the barrier come down & you know that the chances are you are going to be waiting a while......if you turn the ignition off,
They were both start-stop so not necessary to switch anything off. If you were to switch off manually, everything would go off and you'd have to press it again to wake up the fans etc as above. (I think, though I'm not sure, that once something is powered from the accessory socket it stays powered when you switch off again, for a while at least. I'd have to check to be sure.)
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just to confirm, on my BMW (swoon) pushing the button without foot on the brake switches on the ignition, with foot on the brake it's straight to engine start.
Exactly = but its full ignition not "position 1/accessory".
The 12V socket shuts down 20-30s after you've opened/closed a door, etc unless you press the button....
Which is full ignition...
It all sounds pretty complicated (I'd need a crib sheet).
While I can see the point of them (push button start) for cars with keyless entry, I am not sure I see the point of it, the rest of the time.
My brother's V40 has got a button, but you still have to put the key in a slot before you press the button.
Is it all just a gimmick, or is there an advantage to it?
The only thing I can think of is with diesels; it could delay the start until the glow plugs have warmed (which is presumably what happens?).....
I don't think either of you come out of this brilliantly. More her than you though.
My brother's V40 has got a button, but you still have to put the key in a slot before you press the button.
Is it all just a gimmick, or is there an advantage to it?
It's a handy place to keep the key, and you don't forget to take it with you. A few times I'd use the key fob to gain entry, and then just put it in the cup holder/centre console, and then forget to take it with me when leaving.
I don't think either of you come out of this brilliantly. More her than you though.
I'm genuinely interested in why.
A pair of, on the surface, middle class pillocks come do do a bit of shopping and then getting all uppity when things don't go their way. There's a bloody big car park 2 mins away.
You have my sympathy.
A pub/trendy bar/ restaurant type thing opened next to my flat while I lived in the home counties. The road had free parking after six, but quite a few sections of double yellows where the road narrowed, causing people to park half on the pavement. I would often get home and park in a sideroad before negotiating the Mercs and beamers (not that I wish to stereotype) parked half-cocked.
I confronted an X5 driver and his wife once, pointing out that the gap he left between his vehicle and the building adjoining the pavement was barely big enough for me, let alone someone with a pram (my downstairs neighbours had a newborn). His response was "You don't have a pushchair".
Got so bad one night a fire engine couldn't get past an X3, parked half on the pavement over double yellows. Fortunately it wasn't an emergency, but one of the firemen went into the bar/pub/restaurant thing to find the owner, only to come out two minutes later empty handed. After lots of wiggling the firetruck got through; less than a minute later the X3's owner came out and moved it. C***.
A neighbour called the police because someone had parked where the road narrowed and opposite the entrance to the mews her garage was in, effectively blocking access by anything bigger than a Mini. She told the police she couldn't get her Rolls Royce out, to which the police asked if she was taking the micheal. She then offered to show them - her husband had a love for classic cars.
Like you, big carpark a minutes walk away (which I've helpfully directed people to when they were struggling to park on the pavement). I think half the problem was also that the bar attracted permatanned inconsiderate shites - either with money or very actively seeking it - from out of town who didn't give a flying fudge piece about the locals.
First world problems, but absolutely piss-boiling and avoidable by people being just a little considerate.
"First world problems, but absolutely piss-boiling and avoidable by people being just a little considerate."
Like not replying to an email in a car with the engine running when you know someone is waiting for that parking space ?
Is logging mileage with a company car a thing? The only time I look at the mileage is when I fill up as I can't get use the fuel card without that.
Pool cars or junior staff only.
Like not replying to an email in a car with the engine running when you know someone is waiting for that parking space ?
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Yes. Just like that. Bloody OP and his inconsiderate actions. If he hadn't held up that couple by sitting in his car they could have got to the shops 30 seconds earlier!
Like not replying to an email in a car with the engine running when you know someone is waiting for that parking space in spite of the fact that they had been told that there would be a couple of minutes of delay and were perfectly happy with this?
Looks a bit different when the argument is more complete.
Pool cars or junior staff only.
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But it says [ClarksonVoice] executive[/ClarksonVoice] on my cards.
Capn I'm not condoning the actions of the couple.
Every story has two sides.
But it says [ClarksonVoice] executive[/ClarksonVoice] on my cards.
Tell me you have a Sierra Sapphire LX?
Others have explained how irritating it can be to see someone sat in the car looking set to go and not going. Also it seems to have annoyed you enough to post on here to seek justification for your annoyance and the righteousness of your cause.
Lots of people are cocks, every day, espescially in cars. Better just to let it go and accept that. But other posters have said it better,
I'd say it is 90% on her, but in the last week I've been stuck by a bloke at a petrol pump doing exactly the same. Obviously your email was absolutely life-or-death and couldn't have waited till you had helped her out by moving on sooner than planned.
just to confirm, on my BMW (swoon) pushing the button without foot on the brake switches on the ignition, with foot on the brake it's straight to engine start.
Just tried in mine, and it goes straight from 0-running if you press the clutch. Who knew? I've only had it nearly four years. (In my defence, it's got a pointless electric seat which moves forward / back when you start / stop the car, so you can't properly reach the clutch without shimmying forwards if the engine's off.)
