njee20 - Member
I also advocate a 'three-strikes' rule on the NHS. Any person may receive treatment for things which are solely detrimental to ones health (drinking, smoking, obesity) 3 times in a given period, after which they will be refused NHS care unless they have shown positive steps to change their behaviour.
Agree with you on the food pricing comments , but in a free market economy the shops sell to make profits. Fresh produce (unless its been marked up in price as lunch, like your example) is not where they make their money.
However, I can't agree at all with your NHS comments. If someone's been in three times already, then they have a serious problem and need all the help they can get. These people that need help most would be condemned to die.
There are few things that are "solely detrimental to health", but smoking is one. I'd prefer to view smokers as the victims here (they are all addicts ), and attack the tobaco industry, which the government is doing a bit with its new legislation to keep it all out of sight. Someone's posted the perfect plan on here before: the idea of raising the "smoking age" by one year each year from now for the next 70 years. Its not an immediate fix but it is a permanent one.
Drinking is different. A little has been shown to be beneficial (even if only mentally) Extreme drinking kills you. Some may view cycling in a similar way. The risks vary ( and obviouslly the benefits outweigh them, and the two activities are not equally dangerous ), but some downhill biking could easily be seen as [i]unnecessarily[/i] dangerous, and therefore be pushed towards your "danger list". I've used a bad example, but the point is that a lot of what we do for fun carries inherrent risk which could be classified as dangerous or unnecessary and end up with health service restrictions. It's not as black and white as anything being "Solely detrimental" and likely to come down to "opinions", probably from insurance profesionals. The idea worries me.
Obesity is different yet again. Its a condition people suffer from, not an activity detrimental to health. A bit like cancer, or heart disease, and to refuse to treat someone because of the condition they suffer appears totally against the principles of the NHS. If you want to consider the causes, it appears to be that sitting on one's @rse all day is the activity that contributes most- but that's a modern workday for so many.
emsz and tazzy, thanks for the honesty 🙂
its nice a positive to say:
More than that though, in my experience it's about how you feel. I feel great and thats the important bit. When i was fat, I felt shit
but with any kind of body dismorphia, how you feel doesnt really get better no matter what size you are, often the good feeling from loosing weight can drive an obsession with control and that tips people into eating disorders sometimes. that kinda attitude is fantastic when you've got a good mindset, but the people i'm discussing in this thread dont tend to have a good mindset.
As a shy child of the eighties, it was all about action heroes. Stallone, Van dam etc, so it was off to the gym for me. I've been in pretty good shape all my life and been pretty image concious too. Not really sure why, but I was bulimic for a few years (nobody knows this), I was doing lots of exercise and eating fairly well, but would occasionally (fairly often)gorge myself on rubbish and then throw it back up.I wasn't quite men health lean, but not far off and didn't want to lose it with my greedy Bagstard habits. The last episode would have been twelve years ago and I would be so ashamed if found out.
So there you have it, confessions of a narcissistic twit.
have you seen 'bigger, faster, stronger (the side effects of being american)' bagstard? think there's a fair amount in that documentary/film that you'd relate to...
kudos on the honesty 🙂 hope you're feeling better about yourself now dude!
as I mentioned in another thread, as a child growing up in the 60's I didn't tend to see any larger folk or be aware of eating disorders.
As c-g said, I don't remember any other than the spread of body types one regards as normal. But (*violins playing the Hovis music*) that was when we walked to school, didn't have central heating, played outside with all the other children in the street, rode bikes and fell off, climbed trees, fell in streams...
And the closest we got to junk food was fish and chips once a week.
It's a long time ago and not something I often think about, but grim none the less.At the time I didn't really think of it as a disorder, I wasn't sad or depressed and just saw it as a means to an end. It was never comfort eating, more just feeding the greedy monster inside.
I'm still into training, but more concerned with strength at the moment, but must admit to being quite amazed at the vanity of some fellow gym members.
I shall seek out bigger,faster,stronger.
Also may start a bulimic recipe thread! 😯
I might be an interesting example. Anyone who has met me will probably agree that I'm on the lean side. A friend described me as a rake on facebook yesterday!
5'10" and my natural body weight seems to be just under the 10st mark, or about 63kgs. My dad is similarly scrawny/wiry, and his natural weight is about 9 1/2 st. I've never unintentionally put on weight, and the whole family is pretty thin.
I've always been active, cycled everywhere as a family, XC running at school, holidays would generally involve lots of hillwalking etc.
During my gap-year before uni I decided that for purely vain reasons I'd bulk up. I hit the free weights pretty hard, lots of protein shakes, inordinate amounts of carbs and meat in my diet, but still lots of cycling. Within a few months I got up to 13 1/2 st, and there wasn't any discernible fat there, just lots of muscle, in particular considerably more upper body than I had ever had before, and pretty major thighs. While I liked being big, it didn't make me any faster on a bike, and it wasn't because I had a more physical lifestyle (gym excepted of course).
When I got to uni I had quite a serious viral and bacterial infection which completely knocked me out. 2 weeks of being in bed not moving, talking, eating - barely opening my eyes saw me metabolise virtually all of my muscles and I pretty much resembled a POW. I think my weight dropped to a pretty worrying 8 1/2 st losing over 1/3 of my body mass 😯
After doing the bulky thing, I've never bothered trying since, and been more serious about cycling, which has pretty much dictated my physique ever since. I'm currently training for a half-ironman triathlon, which means my utterly pathetic upper body needs considerable work!
I think I'm pretty lucky with what I assume is a fast metabolism, I very rarely put on weight unless I make a concerted effort - I certainly don't hold back on the eating front!
Cheers, Rich
3 and a half stone of muscle in a few months?! That is some seriously good genetics!
3 and a half stone of muscle in a few months?! That is some seriously good genetics!
Something does not seem quite right...
This was nearly 15 years ago, I can't recall exactly how long I was going to the gym for and bulking up, but I certainly weighed myself at 13 1/2 at around my peak. Might have been more like 4-5 months of serious gyming.
I was eating a quite ridiculous amount though - 3 x 'Crash Weight Gain' shakes a day, my lunch was a 3 litre container full of pasta, sweetcorn and 1lb of tuna, and took me an hour to eat, and I generally had about 1lb of turkey or pork + veg/pasta in the evenings too.
Shudder to think how much the additional food alone would set me back these days!
Cheers, Rich
Does "the milk challange" constitute bulemia?
5 choccie biccies dunked in one cup of tea just consumed.
No disorder here.
I'm studying this at the moment, it's interesting comparing the thread with the research I've read.
Eating disorders encompass a broad range of conditions: anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, binge eating disaorder and EDNOS (eating disorder not otherwise specified). A common thread throughout each is an extreme relationship with control/satisfaction with the self, typically feeling a lack of it.
My mum developed severe depression when I was 7, wanted to die and became so apathetic she stopped eating. She has experienced an unfathomable level of abuse as a child and at a point in her life it all came flooding back with crippling intensity. I saw her slowly but surely shrivel away, until something gave way and a slow but lasting recovery occurred. She was a single parent at the time and luckily had supportive friends.
Present media culture, lack of education, cheap abundant junk food, widespread depression, social pressure (or perceived social pressure), unhealthy training regimes and insecurity are key causes for many people at both the under and overweight disorder spectrum.
It's easy to marginalise people, ironically this is just adding to the problem.
[i]Present media culture, [b]lack of education[/b], cheap abundant junk food, widespread depression, social pressure (or perceived social pressure), unhealthy training regimes and insecurity are key causes for many people at both the under and overweight disorder spectrum.
It's easy to marginalise people, ironically this is just adding to the problem.
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Good Post !.
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Solo, the winky smile makes me assume some sort STW sarcasm. Or I'm over reacting...it's been a long day.
When I talk about education I am referring to an understanding of food, diet and the body. Some people simply don't understand balanced eating as they've not been shown what it is or how it works whether this is academically or socially.
Awkwardly I'm leaving it there 😉
I think I have actually developed slightly disordered eating in the last year as I now agonise over everything that I eat. On the plus side, I am now in better shape than I was (fitter and less fat) and not gaining weight. I'll take eating disorder over fat and eating whatever I want any day of the week thanks.
There are degrees of everything
I don't think Solo was being sarcastic. It's just his '[i]unique[/i]' writing style.
For future reference, to try and make sense of Solo's posts, ignore the smileys and correct the punctuation.
Blimey. I was happy the other week when I slipped back into the realms of 13st something.
Some of you are really broken. I feel utterly boring and normal.
The media is very powerful. Ugly (normal) people are usually portrayed in a negative context while pretty people are used to portray normals.
It all affects our expectations of how we "should" look. Most of us will never be pretty. And desire for the unattainable drives us mad.
Look beyond appearances. True beauty and grace is available to everyone.
Speak for yourself Buzz.
I am the Somerset Adonis!
;P
I am less fat than a lot of people I know. That makes me smugly happy regardless of what is right or wrong or where society is putting pressure on us all. I have won because I have control over what I eat!
For future reference,
to try and make sense of Solo's posts, ignore the smileys
and correct the punctuation.
Or,
read Them like poems,
and bathe in the beauty that he
conjures with their structure
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