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United saving themselves for Europe surely? Ooops sorry 🙂
Only one trophy to play for now so their season won't be over till January....

Burnley will love having Manyoo as the visitors on Saturday.

Di Maria must be wishing he had stayed in Madrid.

Next on the list of interesting, unfamiliar new experiences: a relegation scrap?

Aye. Starting with a six pointer against the Dingles on Saturday.

Next on the list of interesting, unfamiliar new experiences: a relegation scrap?

If van Gaal can limp on until winter, that'll give Keane ample time to usurp Lambert, alienate everyone at Villa, get the flick, walk the dog a bit and be primed for a bullish homecoming to United.

mleh, men vs boys, only 1st team player was de gea (behind shit) and evans (first game since april?)

obvious as to blacket jumping keane in rating (who is a lazy plum disaster waiting to happen (repeatedly).

wilson and perrira (sp) looked handy, we struggled once kagawa went off.

maddening though.

Obviously the plan with Di Maria is for him to score 5 each match so they are at least in with a chance of a draw.

mleh, men vs boys

It's not as if they're even in Europe so have to rotate the first team. Perhaps Van Gaal thought there was a fair chance that even the first team would get beaten, which would be more disastrous in terms of morale.

When does the window close - is there any prospect of buying a couple of decent centre backs?

It's not as if they're even in Europe .....

........ is there any prospect of buying a couple of decent centre backs?

There's one of their problems - the best players want Champions League football and they ain't getting it at Old Trafford.

According to the radio last night, Di Maria even said he'd not wanted to leave Real either. Bodes well.

is there any prospect of [s]buying[/s] borrowing a couple of half -decent centre backs?

FTFM...

Anyhow, I'm a City fan so finding their discomfort both amusing and strangely familiar at the same time.

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Well 2 from 9pts after grinding out a tough draw at Burnley, not looking like vintage season especially if the penalty claims are not going in favour of the reds....

Lets see if they can do a Leeds 🙂

Arsenal have won two trophies since Man United last won a competitive game.

Please let them still be rubbish when the hammers play them.

Please let them still be rubbish when the hammers play them.

Pffft! You have Alex Song now. Any team should be a walkover now.

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Is he a die-hard X-Factor fan or something?
RM.

It'll take time but UTD will be back!

I didn't say how long...

Or how much...

👿

Thought they played better in defence but didn't create any chances.
2-3 players were asleep.

Is Dzecko still laughing? Stoked.

Arsenal fans feeling at all 'foxed'?

Utd are spending big because, I suspect, they're terrified the sponsors will run for the hills if they fail to get into the UCL next year.

or they could end up doing "a Leeds*". please please please do "a Leeds" 😉 MOT

* spend more on the gamble of UCL qualification than you can realistically afford, and fail to qualify. spend ridiculous figures on overpriced players... er... yes, as I was saying... spiral into debt and fall two divisions over 4 years. get bought out of admin then put back into admin and bought again by the same person who once swore he'd destroy the club... I suspect the 15 point deduction wouldn't happen to this lot though.

In other news - that Mario Balotelli is pretty good at defending corners - who knew?

There's only really Leeds that are capable of 'doing a Leeds'.

Despite the Glazers best efforts, the United Brand is worth billions. Leeds? 20 lambert & butler and a packet of Space Raiders and it's yours

Liver (cough) pook played well today.

Liver (cough) pook played well today.

not possible, they're going to plummet back to 7th now suarez has gone as he was the only thing making them a decent side... they were dropping out of the top 4 and had bought no-bodies.

Or something like that anyway

😉

Interesting weekend of football. Utd not suprising anyone by being a bit crap, City suprising everyone by losing at home to Stoke, Chelse winnin aemphatically away, Arsenal being the traditionally frail Wenger side with no decent midfeiled general to boss things like Viera used to, and Spurs being shit. Liverpool were ok but not brilliant, and Balotelli needs to find his scoring head/boots. Martinez will be annoyed at how many Everton conceded; 6 at home is terrible.

Despite the Glazers best efforts, the United Brand is worth billions.

The 'brand' will becomeincresingly devaluedif Utds slump continues for another season. Far fewe Utd shirts down here in London, indicating that the 'brand' is no longer al that deisrable to the casual followers. UTd have secured long term investmnet which will help them, but really need to turn things rond uickly, and there's no current indication that they know how/will be able to. Payng £60 millin for Di Maria smacksofdesperation andpanic; Sanchez cost Arsenal a lot less and is arguably a better striker. There will be a 'Man Utd tax' apliked to any player they sign. And they'll end up with a lot more Kagawas.

I've been saying it for years (as have most United fans) that this mess has been in the post since the Glazers re-mortgaged the club. It was inevitable. Years of buying mediocre squad players. Now we've got virtually nothing but! 60 million for Di Maria was just blind panic! God knows how much we'll spaff before the end of the transfer window

But this has been a long time coming, and its going to take a long time to sort out. Van Gall is starting from scratch. And the Glazers are still there, making the club for all its worth. It really all just demonstrates (should anyone have doubted it) just how good Fergie was!

We were awful on Saturday. As we have been for a long time. The only redeeming feature is that Arsenal looked toothless, City looked flat, and Spurs were bloody awful! Chelsea will walk it on this weekends form.

I've just had a bet (with a delusional Liverpool fan) on the 3rd place team finishing a minimum of 15 points behind Chelsea and City

I've just had a bet (with a delusional Liverpool fan) on the 3rd place team finishing a minimum of 15 points behind Chelsea and City

I'll have some of that too.

City and chelsea are kicking on from last season, and will hope to improve inany weak areas with their new signings (such as scoring for Chelsea!), Brendan Rodgers will be rebuilding things following Suarez' departure, but seems to have a very good formula, and Arsenal will simply stay the same typically frail Arsene Venger side; lots of skill, bt not enough steel to really dominate tems who provide tough opposition. Spurs should be better under Pochetino, but don't actually know how to win stuff as they have no recent experience of doing so. Everton will continue to be 'plucky' battlers capable of causing a few upsets. Utd? They need to concentrate on not slipping any lower than last season. Someone like Swansea, Southampton or Even Villa might come nipping at their heels!

And the Glazers are still there, making the club for all its worth.

Utd will have struggled to buy anyone without theGLazers' involvment. they're the reason Utd continued to remain successful until very rcently. And if you don't like them, why not go and suport FC United instead? 😉

Falcao is off to Man U on loan! Pretty funny that they've replaced RVP before Arsenal have. 🙂

RVP is coming back to Arsenal. Harry Redknapp told me out of his window.

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...Man U must be getting very near to the limits of FFP now.

Harry loves transfer deadline day. It's like he gets 3 birthdays a year.

Arsenal don't need Falcao or RVP when they have Sanogo up front.

EDIT: Man U will no doubt sell a few today. Don't forget they lost a lot of big earners at the end of last season with Ferdinand vidic and evra all leaving.

Arsenal don't need Falcao or RVP when they have Sanogo up front.

Sanago could be a talent, I see him as the next Kanu, but he needs to go out on loan for a bit to get some experience.

He should not be leading the line for Arsenal. This is not an indictment of the player, more Wenger for putting him there.

Agree that it's not fair on him, you can see when how hard he's trying and how frustrated he's getting when things don't come off in a game for him. Surely Arsenal aren't going to stake their title aspirations on him for the next few months while Giroud is out. You should have signed a class act like Ulloa.

Falcao is off to Man U on loan! Pretty funny that they've replaced RVP before Arsenal have.

Not sure how he'll sort their frail defence. Maybe LVG is a member of the concede 3, score 4 school of thought. I guess with Shaw, Herrera and Blind in the team they might be a tougher team to beat.

Maybe LVG is a member of the concede 3, score 4 school of thought.

Do we need a what Utd have won under the Glazers fact check?

Surely Arsenal aren't going to stake their title aspirations on him for the next few months while Giroud is out.

I'm going to go with yes. We are.

I think it's safe to say Wenger is not taking the transfer deadline seriously.

He's gone to Rome to referee at [url= http://www.matchforpeace.org/players ]Match For Peace.[/url]

Not sure how he'll sort their frail defence. Maybe LVG is a member of the concede 3, score 4 school of thought. I guess with Shaw, Herrera and Blind in the team they might be a tougher team to beat.

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Wenger refereeing? The man who sees nothing!

The manager probably has very little to do in the course of the final deals at a big club. It's all down to the money men.

Do we need a what Utd have won under [b]fergie, and despite[/b] the Glazers fact check?

FTFY 😀

The manager probably has very little to do in the course of the final deals at a big club. It's all down to the money men.

In most case I would agree. In Arsenal/Arsene's case, it's a big fat nope. He has final say.

Jamie, maybe a bit more like this

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In Arsenal/Arsene's case, it's a big fat nope. He has final say.

It's not the first time that a player has been given a bit of extra fitness work to do in pre-season.
But to buy two new left backs in the same summer that he signed,
change the system to no full backs needed,
and then spend £60 million on a new left wing back
- that's just bullying the fat kid.

Javier Hernandez joins Real Madrid from Man Utd

Strange decision for both teams IMO

@weeksy - Real (lost 4-2 at the weekend) are following the same strategy as Man U, they have to outscore their opponents to win a game so buy more forwards.

@binners my £10 bet with you (and JY) not finishing in the top 4 isn't looking so daft so far is it ?

@jamie that's the right formation for Man U if De Gea is playing center forward.

@weeksy - Real (lost 4-2 at the weekend) are following the same strategy as Man U, they have to outscore their opponents to win a game so buy more forwards.

Yes, but buying an extra forward doesn't help their cause IMO, they've got enough attacking options.

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I'm off to have a little cry in the corner...

...Man U must be getting very near to the limits of FFP now.

but they'd have to qualify for Europe for that to become an issue!

@binners my £10 bet with you (and JY) not finishing in the top 4 isn't looking so daft so far is it ?

Well on [i]our[/i] present form, then it looks like a banker, yes. But then did you watch Arsenal yesterday? Or Spurs? Neither of those are looking top 4 either. Then theres City still doing what they did at the start of last season, and throwing games against lower teams. And Evertons defence looking nearly as shambolic as ours? We're not the only ones not performing. So you never know

I'm not confident though, no.

FFP is a function of turnover, MUFC has more turnover than MCFC, PSG etc

@binners, I am a Spurs fan so I decided the coverage was not on at a convenient time having seen the result 😥

You made the right decision. If Sterling hadn't bizarrely decided that he wanted to try and walk every ball into the net, it could have been 5+. And you never looked remotely like scoring.

Hate to say it but Liverpool looked good. And once Ballotelli remembers where the net is... EEK! 😯

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You made the right decision. If Sterling hadn't decided that he wanted to try and walk every ball into the net, it could have been 5+. And you never looked remotely like scoring.

Hate to say it but Liverpool looked good. And once Ballotelli remembers where the net is... EEK!

I'm going to have to bookmark this thread.

I had to laugh at Sterlings run/dribble...

I cringed at a coulpe of Balo's misses though !

I think Balotelli will find the target soon enough. But who knows.

I realise it's easy to joke about a miss when you've just won 3-0 but Rodgers' "...he ran it into the box like Ricky Villa and finished it like Ricky Gervais" about Sterling's miss made me smile. 🙂

I am beginning to feel a little bit sorry for the arsenal supporters. Their cheapest season ticket now over £1k, but after the FA cup win last season and the promise to spend money on big name players they probably had real hope that they would kick on and be real challengers this season, but they're still missing the same type of players they've been lacking for the past 3 seasons. Still the shareholders will be chuffed at another 4th place finish. I'm amazed that Arsenal supporters are letting Wenger get away with it.

I'm amazed that Arsenal supporters are letting Wenger get away with it.

I don't believe they are.

They just cannot tell him to his face, as he is doing God's work in Rome.

Has 'Arry been interviewed leaning out of his car window yet? Or are they still making us wait til later

Danny Welbeck?

Well....it's...erm...something.

Just on sky sports news that Wilfred bony will be going no-where in this transfer window,phew 🙂

Good comment on the BBC transfer day feed; for all those saying a striker is the last thing Man U need, they have only scored two goals in four games this season...

I think this will be the start of Rooney dropping back into a no.10 role, then into a central role. He's lost his pace and I think a Scholes type role would suite him well. Leave RVP and Falcao up front.

Doesn't look good for Juan Mata does it? Can see him being the one to miss out if Van Gaal opts for three of Falcao, Mata, Van Persie and Rooney. Surely Rooney will play, being captain? Pity for Mata as he's a clever, creative player but he's little pace and strength and can't seem to play on the wing. Great move by Mourinho to cash in when he did! I don't think Rooney is good enough, or fit enough, to play in centre midfield though so unless he's playing off one or two strikers maybe he'll get the boot as well.

I feel a bit sorry for Moyes as well! He had no chance in retrospect - ageing squad and resistance to get the deals done from the board as opposed to the blank cheque book Van Gaal has!

The big disaster (apart from the Glazers) was Fergie and Gill retiring at the same time. Moyes had never dealt with signing players of world class level before and Gill could've settled him. Rumours I believe suggest there were deals for Alcantara and Herrera last season but Moyes dithered too long. That and getting rid of the coaching staff, which was naive at best and stupidity at worst.

Mata was the very definition of panic buy. If he'd helped Man U get 4th it would have been seen as a stroke of genius. But he didn't so he's not. I agree he'll be in the wilderness for a while. I can't think of a good game he's had tbh

Man U should have sold Rooney when they had the chance. I can't help feel he's wasted his potential; if he'd trained like Ronaldo or Beckam instead of smoking and dicking around he could have been one of the greatest ever Engligh players. He's knackered now, on the decline

Just heard Wellbeck off to Arsenal for £16m

Good player, not a game changer but always gives 100%

Rooney was Fergies big faux pas. the first player ever to f fergie about, and not be sold, a la stam and keane. He's nowhere near the player he's made out to be, still living on past glories.

No sure I agree with that - on his day Rooney can almost beat the opposition by himself. Those days don't come along too often any more though.

Fergie made it impossible to ditch Rooney by not reinforcing the squad. Rooney carried the team for a whole season and was indispensable so bagged himself £300k a week.

I'd be tempted to drop Rooney and let Mata, RVP and Falcao play as a front 3

Just heard Wellbeck off to Arsenal for £16m

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On the plus side, Arsenal have a pretty strong English contingent.

...err...that is a good thing, right?

Arsenal can have Cleverley too then!

Arsenal can have Cleverley too then!

Nah, you're ok.

Now reports Man U have signed a keeper from Sampdoria. Bizarre! Presume Lindegard is off then

I think Welbeck could be quite a good signing for Arsenal. There's a lot of question marks about his ability to be a centre forward, but people were saying similar things about Sturridge when he signed for Liverpool.

Presume Lindegard is off then

Phil Nev seems to think so.

I think Welbeck could be quite a good signing for Arsenal. There's a lot of question marks about his ability to be a centre forward, but people were saying similar things about Sturridge when he signed for Liverpool.

The amount of shit I have given Danny Welbeck over the years, for Man U and England, I hope I will be eating humble pie for every meal.

...just less of this, please.

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It was under Moyes ths Rooney got his mega deal, following a sulk after Moyes had hinted he may (rightly) not be the number one centre forward at the club and guaranteed to start. That sort of dithering characterised is 'reign'. If Fergie had stayed on Rooney would have been sold. Can't believe some of the money United were allegedley paying fringe players like Anderson, Nani and Hernandez. Their wage bill is insane! Can't see Welbeck setting the world on fire at Arsenal either - strikes me as someone who thinks he's a little better than he us. When's Theo back?

...just less of this, please.

And more of this?

Is there a chance that the Falcao deal is going to fall through. This was announced this morning and still not complete.

Maybe the medical is proving tricky? Or Van Gaal realised he isn't a centre half?

Utd announced the Failani signing last year well after the cut off time so fingers crossed. If they don't sign him they're down to a striker past his best and one who spend a lot of time with the medics. Fingers crossed!!

Why do sky keep subjecting their reporters to the t**ts outside the ground in deadline day? The dildo thing was mildly amusing, but what they are having to endure now at some of the locations is just not right.

Looks like Cleverley is still going to be warming the bench til January then? Seems an endemic attitude amongst young English players. Pick your wages up and don't actualy play.

Most insane thing Moyes did wasn't Rooney. Not even the bonkers price for Fellaini. It was giving Nani a new contract! WTF was he thinking!!!

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Theres an arsenal fan just been on five live and said: "well if Welbeck can come and get us 25 goals a season he'll be a great buy"

Clearly he's never seen him play. Good luck with that Arsene! 😆