But I’m not talking about Truss resigning. I’m talking about whether there’ll be an early GE.
You were talking about legal requirements :
Why? There’s no law that says .....
Politicians and governments don't only do what the law requires them to do. They often do things which they would much rather not do because they feel they have little choice.
The Tories just about got away with changing the Prime Minister and comprehensively changing many of their policies - taxation, fracking, bankers bonus cap, Green Belt developments, etc, despite having absolutely no mandate to do so.
It is widely accepted, including by Tory MPs, that they won't be able to get away with doing that a second time. If only because of the devastating blow to their creditability and an even further collapse in electoral support.
What the 'law' requires doesn't come into it. You might think that they don't care but they can't afford not to.
It is widely accepted, including by Tory MPs
Is it, indeed.
I agree with Ernie.
There is no requirement for the Tories to call one, just because you think it’s “anti democratic”.
They’ll do it if the alternative will destroy their party. And them holding onto ‘till 2025, when the public overwhelmingly want them out, could result in even more seats being lost, and turn the country against them for decades not just one or two terms. An election soon will be very bad for them… but holding onto power with an ever changing cabinet without public support could be far worse.
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just because you think it’s “anti democratic”. After all, labour didn’t when Gordon Brown was anointed. They won’t because they know they’ll lose badly…if they hang on, with a more “moderate” or sensible leader
but they need credibility and authority for their leadership and policies, otherwise other factors (their media paymasters, the markets, etc.) will **** them over as they have in the past 3 weeks.
And this is the thing. No one will give a damn about it being undemocratic of the replacement is any good, if they actually make some semblance of an improvement to the current shit show they'll be lauded,their credibility will be fine and their authority rescued.
The only people who will care long term weren't ever going to vote tory any way. Most of the people who care about the democracy or the credibility of the system currently, wouldn't ever vote tory.
A GE isn't going to fix those problems because they only exist in the guardian.
I'm not sure one isn't on the cards but if there is I don't think it's about anything beyond handing a mess they don't think can be fixed to labour and grabbing what little capital they can from it.
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just because you think it’s “anti democratic”. After all, labour didn’t when Gordon Brown was anointed. They won’t because they know they’ll lose badly…if they hang on, with a more “moderate” or sensible leader
The politics of it are the only real factor. Brown didn't call an election right away when he came into office, when ahead in the polls and pre global financial crisis for fear the public might punish him for calling an unnecessary one, and expectation he'd be even further ahead when the time came... Hey ho.
there is no need for an election and no way the tories will go for one. too many would loose their seats
Would more of them lose their seats if they hold on for as long as possible? Of course an election fought within the next year will be devastating for the Tories. Having one at the latest possible date could well be even worse for them.
Would more of them lose their seats if they hold on for as long as possible?
The question is also how many of them think they’re going to be out of Parliament, and just want it over so they can get on with (re)building a career outside.
Mordant keeps on looking across the bench at Truss, she’s clearly concerned about her current state. Something major behind the scenes is most certainly up.
This.
Something is going down.
Providing she hasn't still got access to any big red buttons...
Kinda feel sorry for her, she looked ill. Obviously she's massively messed up but the funeral chuckler had a lot to do with it. And yes they've had 12 years but there's also a person there who's had a very bad day at work. And we've all had them
Would more of them lose their seats if they hold on for as long as possible?
I’m sure everyone will be a lot more inclined to vote Tory once Jeremy Hunt announces his enormous cuts to public services and we head into The Winter of Discontent - The Sequel, with small businesses going down like dominoes and pensioners freezing to death
Watching the stuff on the news of Truss sat silently in parliament blinking like a newborn kitten, she looks seriously mentally ill.
Can they not remove her on the basis that she’s clearly absolutely ****ing insane?
a person there who’s had a very bad day at work. And we’ve all had them
Yes but if some of us have a bad day at work we don’t make the lives of millions of people a misery.
In the ‘bad day at the office’ stakes she makes Chris Grayling look like a rank amateur
Grayling for PM
I don't have sympathy.
She has caused this. She's fought her way in, behaved in a selfish, ignorant and deliberate way. She's ignored the usual ways of doing things. She's well paid, and qualifies for all sorts of benefits and severance. And I still bet there's a pool of wealthy people who think they can exchange coin for her 'contacts'.
She can walk away. She could have either avoided it or could have stopped it - and can still walk away wealthy.
Meanwhile thousands will freeze, go hungry and actually die this winter as a result of her actions.
Normally I'm sympathetic. But not this time.
I don’t have sympathy.
She has caused this. She’s fought her way in, behaved in a selfish, ignorant and deliberate way. She’s ignored the usual ways of doing things. She’s well paid, and qualifies for all sorts of benefits and severance. And I still bet there’s a pool of wealthy people who think they can exchange coin for her ‘contacts’.
She can walk away. She could have either avoided it or could have stopped it – and can still walk away wealthy.
Meanwhile thousands will freeze, go hungry and actually die this winter as a result of her actions.
Normally I’m sympathetic. But not this time.
^^^This 100%
Can they not remove her on the basis that she’s clearly absolutely ****ing insane?
Well, it didn’t work for the last three PMs fielded by this Tory party.
Can the real leader please stand up! Please stand up!
Nope, all you can find are wannabes from Truss to Starmer to Sturgeon.
Truss will face even harder challenge next year if she stays and I doubt she will survive until the end of this year as PM. Too weak a person to shoulder current tough climate and trying too hard to please everyone.
Starmer might perform better next year but if he is in charge this year he too will be out of office very quickly. I doubt Starmer will have any new ideas or clues to turn the situation around other than cannibalising slowly the already small piece of pie. Sturgeon is just being Sturgeon and probably clueless beyond Scotland.
The UK politic is in a sad state of affairs.
Not a single party can produce a true leader, as they are all chair warmers waiting for the true leader to return ...
You mean Aragorn?
I doubt she will survive until the end of this year as PM
I can’t see you getting decent odds on her making it to the end of the week
Not a single party can produce a true leader, as they are all chair warmers waiting for the true leader to return …
Ronnie Pickering?
"Providing she hasn’t still got access to any big red buttons…"
Hopefully they had the electricians in over the weekend to disconnect the real red buttons and replace them with ones that just have a speaker in them that sound out 'bhuuuulllshiiit' each time it's pressed.
The probelem a new PM will face, assuming it's not a conservative PM, is that it's literally going to take multiple decades (and multiple elections/tenures) to un-pick all the damage done by the conservatives over thier 12 year? project of destruction.
The standard 4 year plan and 'let the new party pick up the flack/slack and get voted back out again, needs to be adressed.
I think the 'short-termism/fill up your pension pot' style of politics needs to stop, we need some reform in government.
We need over reaching public bodies for environment, energy, defence, health and social care...
long term strategies, like 50year plans that a 4 year government cannot simply just cross out a tick box to get rid of it if they don't like it.
Given her prolific Instagramming habit, will she make a reel as she's shown the door at No.10?
Ronnie Pickering?
No, sorry mate, never heard of you.
Hopefully if/when Labour win the next GE, they will force the talked about chamge to some form of PR. That will stabilise things as we'll have less yo-yo left - right -middle - right - nazi far right swings with 1st past the post. Means a degree of concensus has to be made, and usually it moderates things to a sensible middle ground.
They (labour) need to - as once the Jocks have independence, the England + Wales Westminster will be even more tory dominated.
(NI meanwhile will be part of a united Ireland in about 15 years).
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Free MemberNot a single party can produce a true leader, as they are all chair warmers waiting for the true leader to return …
Zombie John Smith obviously.
You mean Aragorn?
LOL! The King has already returned recently.
Hopefully if/when Labour win the next GE, they will force the talked about chamge to some form of PR.
No point devising a system to cling on to power ... the pie is already getting smaller.
Starmer might be able to stabilise or cushion the pain for a while but it is not a long term solution. Larger public sector can only cannibalise the already bad situation albeit prolonging and buying more time to make it feel the economic pain is bearable.
Oh ya ... if the PM baton is passed to Starmer now he will crash like everyone else and probably even worst.
And yes they’ve had 12 years but there’s also a person there who’s had a very bad day at work.
The reason for that is she isnt competent to do the job. She needs to accept that and stop trying. As others have mentioned its wrecking other peoples lives and admitting that she isnt up to it and walking away would be a benefit to everyone including herself. After all very few people are capable of doing that job so no shame in admitting that you arent one of the few.
THEDAILYMASH.CO.UK I don’t have sympathy.
She has caused this. She’s fought her way in, behaved in a selfish, ignorant and deliberate way. She’s ignored the usual ways of doing things. She’s well paid, and qualifies for all sorts of benefits and severance. And I still bet there’s a pool of wealthy people who think they can exchange coin for her ‘contacts’.
She can walk away. She could have either avoided it or could have stopped it – and can still walk away wealthy.
Meanwhile thousands will freeze, go hungry and actually die this winter as a result of her actions.
Normally I’m sympathetic. But not this time.
I'm late to the party, but I agree with this. We don't have a Conservative Party anymore, they're a bunch of libertarians who'll shortly find out just how unpopular it is to build a society that cossets a few billionaires at great expense for the rest of us.
Don’t even ****ing think about it
— The Daily Mash (@thedailymash) October 17, 2022
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Whilst watching C4 news tonight with krishnan outside #10 I expected to see Truss throwing herself out the the 2nd floor Downing St window and hit the pavement, would have been the perfect metaphor for her reign in the Tory party.
Interview with Chris Mason on 10.00 news. Just been conducted apparently.
Great quote in the FT comments: You’ve got to admire her legacy - in a few short weeks she’s buried the Queen, the Pound and the Tory party…
I reckon the lettuce has won
She has caused this. She’s fought her way in, behaved in a selfish, ignorant and deliberate way.
You have given her too much credit if you think she has caused the current economy climate.
She is incapable of creating the energy shortage coz that's beyond her control.
If you think govt subsidies can help ease the current situation then perhaps it is just a temporary solution.
Truss might be appropriate for a different situation but she is just the wrong person to deal with the current economy climate.
She’s ignored the usual ways of doing things.
Is the current situation normal?
Brexit, Covid-19 and Ukraine/Russia war all have immediate impact that people can feel.
So what is your usual ways of dealing with the above? When was the last time you see all three happened one after the other?
Give the PM baton to any politicians now they will all go down like a lead balloon..
So what was the urgent meeting? Can’t be to with Ukraine.
she is just the wrong person to deal with the current economy climate.
Pretty obvious when her budget approach especially not backed up with an OBR review made it worse
Telling Chris Mason she's deffo staying...
Didn't Kamikwase say that the night before he went?
Telling Chris Mason she’s deffo staying…
I think its one of those things which means something very different depending on who says it.
Like "I'm not running for office"
This BBC news interview is actually painful to watch.
How could she possibly think she has any chance of remaining as PM?
