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Hunt’s the new Chancellor…
He knows something we don't...
Let Nigel split the far right vote further I say.👍
Yep, it's official Jeremy Hunt it is.
Minor point: Why is her letter formatted like this? It appears to be addressed to the Prime Minister, and signed by Kwasi. Obviously it's hard to believe that her staff would have so little attention to detail...
Daily Star doesn't give her long...
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/liz-truss-lettuce-last-longer-28235047
Ever the political opportunist. And this is a hell of an opportunity, you have to admit.
New party alert… https://t.co/zt4wuqtWE3
— Iain Martin (@iainmartin1) October 14, 2022
That titan of sense,eh?
Nigel Farage
@Nigel_Farage
Today was the best Conservative budget since 1986.
12:49 pm · 23 Sep 2022
Last thing i saw him doing was telling pensioners to "unlock" there pensions by investing in Bitcoin. About 3 weeks before Bitcoin tanked.
Let Nigel split the far right vote further I say
Ah yes, that [s] worked well in the past didn't it?[/s] still working well for us isn't it?
I've never voted Tory in my life and never will. But we need as a country to get out of huge pile of mess.
Assuming Truss will go before Christmas, and there not being a palatable replacement who won't cause even more in fighting amongst Tory members and MP's, I ask does the PM have to be an MP?
Would or could John Major step up as a caretaker to steady the Tory ship and perhaps steady the economy.
I know, again, he wouldn't be everyones choice, but you could say that he's been there and done that! He appears to still have all his 'marbles'. Biden is doing it in America, (ie steadying a rocky ship) couldn't we have a wise old sage here too?
Ah yes, that worked well in the past didn’t it? still working well for us isn’t it?
He agreed to not contest the election from memory, therefore gifting the Tories.
I'm not saying his presence is ideal by any means but we can't magic him away so if he splits what is left of the Tory voters. Good.
Why not get Cameron in? He started it.
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I expect if "Spreadsheet Phil" Hammond was still in the Commons she would have asked him. Just the nickname would have calmed the markets.
With Chris Philp, the third man, out of the picture, that only leaves Liz Truss herself.
And with Tories now apparently openly talking of replacing Truss the only question really is when, not if.
What shouldn't be forgotten however imo is that whilst the harebrained idea of growth through tax cuts appears to have been short-lived there still remains an international crises in global capitalism. I have little doubt who will be paying the price for that, and it won't be those responsible. I can't see much to celebrate.
Why not get Cameron in? He started it.
Because revenge, no matter how satisfying, is not a recruitment tool for a reliable, steady, clear and strategic politician and leader of our nation.
(but it would be funny).
I ask does the PM have to be an MP?
No real reason they can't be from the Lords.
He agreed to not contest the election from memory, therefore gifting the Tories.
Before or after UKIP terrified the tory party and gifted us the referendum? It's not a faint line between Nige, Brexit, Boris and Liz.
Because revenge, no matter how satisfying, is not a recruitment tool for a reliable, steady, clear and strategic politician and leader of our nation.
You say that, but whatever process we're currently using, which isn't revenge*, isn't working.
*unless of course Liz won on the back of votes of anti-tory voters who joined the Conservative Party do they could vote in the hope of selecting a leader who would do most damage to the party.
Would or could John Major step up as a caretaker to steady the Tory ship
Well John Major was Thatcher's personal choice to replace her and he did an excellent job of carrying on with her policies, including privatisation of the railways (which she had attempted) introducing the bloodsucking PFI into the NHS, and oversaw the greatest home repossession in UK history, so yes, I can understand why he might appeal to the Tory Party faithful.
I'm not sure why he might appeal to someone who claims to have never voted Tory in their life though.
I think there could easily be an election before christmas. If Truss hangs on there'll be civil war within the tory party. If she goes the right wing will kick off and there'll still be civil war. The result of that will be more economic chaos and potentially civil unrest. Something will have to give and the govt itself will collapse. Starmer will be thinking carefully about when to call a VONC.
Starmer will be thinking carefully about when to call a VONC
I can't see the government waiting until starmer comes up with a plan. Heck they've only got a few years left on office 😉
Not forgetting Major was shagging Edwina Currie and hectoring us about going back to "Family Values" as part of his Back to Basics campaign
Throw your hands up Liz. Give a big pfffffff. Say ‘dunno’. Shake your head, and head off to the pub (empty lectern).
Watching her conference. Jeez this is painful!
Incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant?
She is toast.
Don't think she fancied sticking about after Peston's question!
If it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious. No attempt to answer a single question that was asked of her.
Liz I've got one answer to whatever I'm asked Truss.
She's just a passenger, she has no idea what is going on.
If Truss hangs on there’ll be civil war within the tory party. If she goes the right wing will kick off and there’ll still be civil war.
There's already civil was within the Tory party, well the parliamentary party at least, do we know how the old duffers that got final say and installed dizzy Liz feel about the last few weeks? Is this what they were actually hoping for?
What's putting the shits up tory MPs is that Truss has gone and done exactly what they disliked most about Boris. i.e. happily throwing a cabinet member under the bus to save her own skin, if she's willing to sacrifice a willing puppet chancellor within her first month, then they know that none of them are safe.
There's no way she's going to call a GE, and despite the very public bickering there's no way the Tory MPs want a GE right now or another leadership race as either of those puts their seats in more immediate peril...
Really all SKS needs to do is sit back, have a few pops at PMQs and let the whole thing implode over the next year(?) or so...
Not even pretending to answer questions - wouldn’t it be great if all the journos agreed to all say “there’s no point asking questions because you’re just going to read your script so can you tell us a joke instead”
“What I’ve delivered is blah blah blah”
Lordy.
I'm going to need more hobnobs.
Someone posted that AI robot at the select committee earlier this week, this is worse than that. Put some sunglasses on it and wheel it out the back to recycle into spares.
Just awful, but brilliant at the same time.
Totally untenable. If having to get rid of someone that you were in lockstep with 2 days ago isn't enough, claiming she's delivering on financial stability to the country is just ridiculous.
I liked how Liz Truss kicked off her statement by yet again reminding everyone of her tough upbringing. I hope that her leftie mathematics professor father is thoroughly ashamed of the fact that she had such a miserable and disadvantaged childhood.
She didn't seem to like the hostile questions after her statement, despite being very careful who she picked to ask them.
FFS is it too much for a Tory prime minister not to expect a hostile question from a Daily Telegraph reporter?!
Edit : I am not a fan of Robert Peston but imo he asked the best question, and they were all pretty good....."Are you going to apologise to the Tory Party?"
Less than 24hrs ago little Dougie bawbag was backing her all the way, it'll be interesting to hear what what he's mouthing off now.
do we know how the old duffers that got final say and installed dizzy Liz feel about the last few weeks? Is this what they were actually hoping for?
"she's fixed immigration [by turning us into the bastard economy of Europe and putting the pound on parity with the Zimbabwean Dollar so no one wants to come here anymore]"
I love how BBC news have pinned the GBP/USD exchange rate to the scrolling strip of doom at the bottom of the screen. It's already creeping down.
Don’t think she fancied sticking about after Peston’s question!
Is it just me, or did anybody else get the impression she walked off because she was about to burst into tears?
I almost felt sorry for her.
What was Peston's question?
Is it just me, or did anybody else get the impression she walked off because she was about to burst into tears?
Yes. She was getting skewered though and must be knackered. I'm not sure why she is doing it to herself.
Peston asked her to apologise to the party or something like that. May have hit a nerve.
I almost felt sorry for her.
It must be awful basically spending your entire life working towards gaining a very specific job and then once you get there you find you are shit at it.
I almost felt sorry for her.
The only time I started feeling prangs of compassion was when she spent ages looking intensely at all the journalists in a desperate attempt to find one she thought may ask a friendly question.
She looked like a lost child surrounded by scary strangers.
What is your name?
She struggled with that
Incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant?
The two are not mutually incompatible!
She'd be out of her depth in a small puddle. Unfortunately for her, she's swimming in the Pacific at the moment.
Genuine question: is the country even up for yet another GE?
Yet more wasted time on campaigns and meaningless pledges, and the alternative is not exactly shouting from the rooftops - surely Starmer and the rest of the Labour Party should be vocally and actively tearing the Government to pieces over this, it's a clear open goal?!
Here we go. Even mad Dorries thinks we will have an election. 😳
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1580926951602393088?s=20&t=-7rSmXJLueAKQRA-sIW8Gg
That was painful and embarassing - for her.
I particularly enjoyed Harry Cole's question as he's political editor at The Sun so might have been expected to go easy.
Tee hee.
I'm amazed Hunt has accepted the post of chancellor. He must know its a poisoned chalice under Truss, so can only assume he's done it as he can then precipitate her resignation by resigning himself and calling for her to go. He looks very much like a trojan horse for Sunak.
Genuine question: is the country even up for yet another GE?
Yes and no, most people know we need a change of government, and that Truss shouldn't be left at the wheel for much longer. But the nation is utterly fatigued by a decade of exponential political bullshittery, and a GE means GE campaigning by the various parties.
Is it time for 'Rejoin Now' yet?
Is it time for ‘Rejoin Now’ yet?
Nah too early and you'd have to give up all the good trade deals they got 🙂
Is it time for ‘Rejoin Now’ yet?
Doubt they'd have us back right now...
Doubt they’d have us back right now…
This ^^.
I bet Ukraine would get priority over the UK at the moment!
The UK is little more than a group of petulant schoolkids right now who loudly and bitterly complained that the school party was shit so now they're all standing out in the cold rainy playground arguing about who's fault it was while the school gets on with life.
Doubt they’d have us back right now…
Especially given the previous habit of sending failed politicians to EU posts.
WTF has Kris Akabusi got to do with anything? 😆
(apart from whispering 'awooga')
Wow, just seen the press conference on the Beeb.
Just unconscionable that she can carry on. I don't think I've ever seen anyone in public office so beaten and hapless
If she were a horse, a vet would be along to shoot her in the face,
I notice she was wearing her "Day Collar" again...
The problem is that there is hardly a single honourable and competent Tory MP left. There were some, many years ago...
Then half of them left when the Tories decided to actually try to do Brexit
Then half of the remaining ones left when they decided to go ahead with Brexit even though it was obviously going to be a farce
Then half of the remainder left each time Boris was a pillock
And each time, complete imbeciles were bought in to fill the gaps.
I think there is an open goal, and Kier Starmer keeps scoring, but nobody is actually keeping score, and there is no referee to blow the final whistle. The Tories aren't even pretending to participate in the spirit of the game any more.
Is it time for ‘Rejoin Now’ yet?
Like anyone would touch UK with a bargepole at present. Back of the queue for us.
Sunlit uplands people, sunlit uplands.
It must be awful basically spending your entire life working towards gaining a very specific job and then once you get there you find you are shit at it.
Don't judge these egomaniacal narcassists by your own standards. I'm sure Boris Johnson still thinks he did a marvelous job and "the herd" was wrong. Same with Truss.
Is it time for ‘Rejoin Now’ yet?
Sure, just when the Labour Party have a huge advantage and seem to be winning back the vote of the Red Wall, they really need to alienate the very people whose votes cast them into the wildernesss in 2019
Well that's most of the authors of that right wing libertarian Bible now gone, now Kwasi's been Unchained - one more to go.
I reckon her husband pushed her to dump Kwasi!
Star Trek prescient once again - the self destruct system is voice activated.
It must be awful basically spending your entire life working towards gaining a very specific job and then once you get there you find you are shit at it.
Blah blah, difficult circumstances, wibble, tough decisions, blah, unpopular choices...
Whole load of excuses there for Kwasi (and for LT further down the line when she's inevitably out on her arse) to shift blame everywhere but them and the Tories. Even now, after 12 years in Government, none of the talk about growing the pie / high wage economy etc references the fact that the economy is in the shit because of 12 years of Tory rule.
Here we go. Even mad Dorries thinks we will have an election. 😳
I'm not sure that's how I read it. Just that we can't be rid of Truss without one and I think I agree. With Dorries.
I need to go stand in the corner and have a long hard think about what I've done.
I think there is an open goal, and Kier Starmer keeps scoring, but nobody is actually keeping score, and there is no referee to blow the final whistle. The Tories aren’t even pretending to participate in the spirit of the game any more.
I read that as “no refugee to blow the final whistle.”
Sorry, my mistake.
The one thing that makes me reluctant to vote for Starmer, is his apparent refusal to consider rejoining the EU.
doris5000
Full MemberWTF has Kris Akabusi got to do with anything? 😆
(apart from whispering ‘awooga’)
that was john fashanu, akabusi's catchphrase was "alriiiight"
The one thing that makes me reluctant to vote for Starmer, is his apparent refusal to consider rejoining the EU.
I'm wondering if that's just bluster to avoid alienating some of the Red (now Blue) Wall as the NE was very much in favour of Brexit originally.
Once in Government, they can begin a more open tone about at least rejoining Single Market & Customs Union. If they say that now, they'll lose all the (originally Labour) Brexit voters who turned Blue on the promise of "getting Brexit done" and potentially the Daily Wail / Express crowd who still believe Brexit to be the greatest thing ever.
Maybe.
Or maybe he's just as thick as the Tories and still terrified of being seen to be against the Will of the People.
Here we go. Even mad Dorries thinks we will have an election. 😳
I think Nads knows of an excellent elected candidate they should replace liz with....
The one thing that makes me reluctant to vote for Starmer, is his apparent refusal to consider rejoining the EU.
Jesus. Even after all this there are still remainers willing to cut their nose off to spite their faces. If you're anything other than a rabid right wing tory then it's in your and everyone else interests to send these privately educated corrupt fraudsters to oblivion. Even moderate tories are beginning to realise this. Starmer's stance on brexit is irrelevant. There's only one game in town right now.
I’m amazed Hunt has accepted the post of chancellor. He must know its a poisoned chalice under Truss, so can only assume he’s done it as he can then precipitate her resignation by resigning himself and calling for her to go. He looks very much like a trojan horse for Sunak.
Given that he was looking like the least insane option in the leadership campaign, I'm not surevwhy he's gone for it either.
I'm fairly reliably informed that Rishi's campaign team had a get together last night, and much mirth was had.
Starmer’s stance on brexit is irrelevant.
Not on here it isn't - brexit is still hugely important. There isn't a political thread where the argument doesn't eventually return to brexit.
In the rest of the country however it is yesterday's news. A fact so obvious that even the Labour Party leader, a staunch and active campaigner to remain in the EU, now fully accepts.
Rock n Roll did eventually die, but Brexit on STW never will.
Because kHunt (silent H) has less than zero moral compass. Just an opportunistic scumbag getting back in Gov and getting more ££ and exposure for a bit.
Remember he was the incompetent moron previously running the health service into the ground.
For Labour... better to let these current self serving clowns keep slitting their own throats and wallowing in their own shi-iite.
If Labour took over tomorrow, they'll get blamed by the nazi press for the impending immense recession that is already a nailed on certainty - it's baked in now. Time to let the Tories wallow in their own excrement rather than having to clean it up.
It'll take 3 years to get out of this hole..we're not even half way down the down slope yet.
The pity is the damage and misery it will inflict on millions of people, whilst those responsible get off with no real consequence.
There are none so blind as those who will not see
They've just played the press conference on PM - Christ it was embarrassing
It’ll take 3 years to get out of this hole..we’re not even half way down the down slope yet.
and with 2 years to a GE how much worse can it get......?
They’ve just played the press conference on PM – Christ it was embarrassing
Just like all the pre conference interviews, she gives the same "committed to growth, difficult decision yadda yadda" answer from 1st to last Q. After a few repeats of the same line, a journo should ask her if sha can give any answer apart from the one that has been repeated.
Bet Mr Truss won't be getting any tonight!
One down, one to go.
Hunt is now in charge, that's why he has taken it. At any moment in time he could precipitate an election by resigning. But what will he do? If he makes it better he loses and Dizzy Lizzy wins, if he makes it worse the opportunity for the crown is his ... but not too worse, or they both lose. Scary balancing act and meanwhile we all lose ...
Even moderate tories are beginning to realise this. Starmer’s stance on brexit is irrelevant. There’s only one game in town right now.
OMG I'm in complete agreement with dazh
In the rest of the country however it is yesterday’s news. A fact so obvious that even the Labour Party leader, a staunch and active campaigner to remain in the EU, now fully accepts.
But this is wrong and getting more wrong by the day. At the moment, the only thing we need to be worrying about is the fact we are inches from driving over a cliff, when that immediate disaster is over (Truss out / Starmer in) we can then worry sorting the economy out when we've got someone with half a brain in charge. Then we can have the sensible conversation about rejoining the EU.
Has she resigned yet?
Hunt is in there to steady the ship while the party works out who replaces her, how and when they should do it, and how on earth they time an election to minimise their losses.
Oh, Brexit isn’t “yesterday’s news”, unless you’re retired and not trying to make a living, it is a drag on all activity, it is very much present now, it has to be dealt with daily by many of us. It’s also a one way street, now we’ve left that’s it politically, we are out for decades, maybe forever. Since Jan 2020 there has been no point any “UK wide” politician campaigning on rejoining, they simply cannot deliver that even if it is what voters want… although it’s a different story for those wanting to separate from rUK.
UK politicians wanting to take office in London have to propose how we move forward outside the EU over the 2020s, anything else is a fantasy right now.
Just like all the pre conference interviews, she gives the same “committed to growth, difficult decision yadda yadda” answer from 1st to last Q. After a few repeats of the same line, a journo should ask her if sha can give any answer apart from the one that has been repeated.
She was reading from a script, and by the look on her face a script someone else had advised her to stick to. I have a feeling Hunt has been told to take the Job - Toris have just doubled the front bench brain capacity with him there which isn't saying much, and at least he'd test the policies before announcing them to ensure he doesn't do a Kamikwasi himself. I am surprised he agreed though.