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Yawn. The truth is I've never forgiven new labour for forcing me to get a job in the late 90s. I was rather content on the dole, being an environmental activist and going to illegal raves every weekend. Seriously though, the world has changed a bit since then. We're 20 years down the line with climate change and we don't have the luxury of time that we had when Blair was around. Its also fairly easy to argue that Blair's regrettable lack of ambition set the standard for those who followed him, resulting in the sorry mess we're in now. If only our problems today were limited to finding a way to allow the IRA to surrender and creating a minimum wage. I mean they were important and welcome, but not even on the scale of what we have to deal with now.
Another one copy and pasted from Mark Francois' Twitter. Lol at binbins
Oh the replies… I’d tried to forget about all the “Russia didn’t do this, it’s all a conspiracy” stuff about the Salisbury poisonings. Dark days.
Guess she's one of the conspiracy nuts too eh
https://twitter.com/JamesEFoster/status/1325407957740351490?s=20
ctk
Another one copy and pasted from Mark Francois’ Twitter. Lol at binbins
Do try to keep up dear. Penfold disappeared from all forms social media and hasn’t been sighted for months.
If you Corbynites popped your heads out of your Twitter echo chamber occasionally, maybe drew the curtains in the room at your mums house, you’d be aware of that
99.999999999999999% of the time it isn’t a conspiracy. It just is what it is.
With Corbyn, that is most definitely the case.
Ian Duncan Smith didn't go very far in education (failed the 11+ and tried to pass off a languages course as a degree) and spent his life harrumphing and spewing bile at socialists, 'experts' as well as, ironically, the 'thick'. He has been rewarded by marrying money, lives in a stately pile, has a well-paid job and a pension to die for. He does seem at least to be bright enough to have joined the right party.
and spent his life harrumphing and spewing bile at socialists
I think he posts on this thread.
If you Corbynites popped your heads out of your Twitter echo chamber occasionally, maybe drew the curtains in the room at your mums house, you’d be aware of that
I love the new cuddly, non-antagonistic version of binners. And yeah I do live at my mum's house, since CV/lockdown completely killed my industry and all my work, and I do struggle to get out of bed some days due to depression, so thanks for that.
@CFH - he does make a reasonable point, and I think the Labour Party should listen more to Jewish people and address their concerns, but I don't see that as meaning you're not also allowed to be concerned at the way Labour is now unfairly tarnished as a racist party, and the Tories get away with their racism scot free.
As ever, Adam Hills nails it for me.
I'd vote for whatever party he was standing for I think. Can we have an Australian born PM?
Can we have an Australian born PM?
We have an American born one.
Ahh Adam Hills, Guardian columnist in waiting.
The EHRC report calls out the fact that, after the issue was first raised, Corbyn put in place a more robust complaints-handling process and "interfered" with a number of cases to accelerate the process of suspending members. Which sounds a lot like "listening to your Jewish members" to me. But as always, he's Schrodinger's Corbyn - simultaneously not doing enough to tackle antisemitism while at the same time doing TOO MUCH and interfering accelerating the process where necessary.
Someone's going to need to explain to me all over again what is wrong with JC's clarification of his response to the EHRC report.
His latest clarification? Looks spot on to me. Very welcome. It's completely stripped of all the stuff that was problematic in his "to media" responses on the day the report was published. Nothing to knock in it at all...
From his Facebook page...
Last month, I was suspended from the Labour Party, after 54 years’ membership and four and a half years as party leader.
On the day I was suspended I gave a broadcast interview to clarify what I had said in response to the EHRC report, and I also made a statement to the party to clear up any confusion about what I had meant, as follows:
“The publication of the EHRC report should have been a moment for the Labour Party to come together in a determination to address the shortcomings of the past and work as one to root out antisemitism in our own ranks and wider society. We must never tolerate antisemitism or belittle concerns about it. And that was not my intention in anything I said this week. I regret the pain this issue has caused the Jewish community and would wish to do nothing that would exacerbate or prolong it. To be clear, concerns about antisemitism are neither "exaggerated" nor "overstated". The point I wished to make was that the vast majority of Labour Party members were and remain committed anti-racists deeply opposed to antisemitism. I fully support Keir Starmer’s decision to accept all the EHRC recommendations in full and, in accordance with my own lifelong convictions, will do what I can to help the Party move on, united against antisemitism which has been responsible for so many of history’s greatest crimes against humanity.”
I’m grateful to the many thousands of Labour party members, trade unionists, and supporters in Britain and around the world, who have offered their solidarity.
I hope this matter is resolved as quickly as possible, so that the party can work together to root out antisemitism and unite to oppose and defeat this deeply damaging Conservative government.
Focussing on the right things, post suspension. I'm happy to praise him for that... if only that had been his response on the day the report was published (when all the media were focussed on Labour and this issue)... that would have been very helpful to all. Timing.
Someone’s going to need to explain to me all over again what is wrong with JC’s clarification of his response to the EHRC report.
It doesn't matter. Nobody cares. Outside the furious, militant, self-absorbed PFJ Twitter groups, obviously
His contribution to the news cycle today, if anyone bothered to report it at all, has been relegated to the 'and in other news...' bit at the end, that's a story about a cat on a skateboard, or a granny who had a bath in some baked beans for children in need.
His natural territory. Where he's always belonged...
Bye bye Jezza..
Does he accept all the findings of the report..............
Because he doesn't say that
From the report:
Some of the claims are pretty contentious
Use of antisemitic tropes. This means using written or verbal phrases or images that suggest antisemitic ideas or stereotypes. Examples that we found included referring to the idea that Jews are part of a wider conspiracy, or are responsible for controlling others and manipulating the political process, including the Labour Party. For example, referring to Jewish people being a ‘fifth column’.
Example
Local Rossendale Borough councillor, Pam Bromley, posted on Facebook: ‘Had Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party pulled up the drawbridge and nipped the bogus AS [antisemitism] accusations in the bud in the first place we would not be where we are now and the fifth column in the LP [Labour Party] would not have managed to get such a foothold ... the Lobby has miscalculated ... The witch hunt has created brand new fightback networks ... The Lobby will then melt back into its own cesspit.’
Where in this statement does it even imply that the fifth column is referring to Jewish people? I wouldn't take it to mean that. If this is an example of anti-semitism I think they are scraping the barrel.
Does he accept all the findings of the report…………..
Because he doesn’t say that
Good spot. Very smart wording...
"I fully support Keir Starmer’s decision to accept all the EHRC recommendations in full and, in accordance with my own lifelong convictions, will do what I can to help the Party move on, united against antisemitism which has been responsible for so many of history’s greatest crimes against humanity."
...it's enough for me at this stage though... let him move on.
It sounds like the procedures were a mess but does nobody else find it a bit surprising to discover that Corbyn decided personally to suspend Ken Livingstone? The narrative in the press was quite the opposite - it was routinely strongly implied that JC was interfering to try and stop people being suspended for AS.
Even if you don't like JC being ok with him being wilfully misrepresented is rather strange.
In July 2016, the Labour Party wrote to Ken Livingstone, confirming that administrative suspension had been imposed in relation to an antisemitism complaint ‘after conversations between the Leader of the Labour Party and his staff’. This clearly shows the involvement of the Leader, then Jeremy Corbyn, and LOTO staff in the decision to suspend Ken Livingstone.
Poor Jeremy.
Everyones out to get him because he represents such a threat to the establishment with his honesty and decency
#myprimeminister
binners, grown ups are talking - pipe down.
That statement sounds like somebody finally broke through the wall of cult members that surround him with their tidal-waves of fawning sycophancy and said...
"do you know what Jeremy?... you know your reaction you gave to the publishing of the antisemitism report? Yeah... well to be honest with you, mate, it made you sound like a right ****!"
And him coming out with 'a correction' today is a bit like when the Daily Mail publishes a 2 sentence apology on page 32, 3 months after splashing a glaring lie right across their front page, because a court judgement said they had too.
I think he made the 'correction' at the time of his suspension... this is just a cut and paste from that. Agree about timing though... the day of the report being published was a golden opportunity wasted. Hopefully now he gets to move on (but stay in Labour)... but the damage was done on the day.
I think he made the ‘correction’ at the time of his suspension… this is just a cut and paste from that.
If it is it is what got him suspended, he wouldn't accept the report's findings.
…it’s enough for me at this stage though…
You don't exactly set a high bar do you. As always with JC it's what he doesn't say. He agrees with KS decision to implement the recommendations, he doesn't say he agrees with the findings of the report. That will probably keep him suspended.
let him move on.
He should have moved on at the last election to spend more time at his allotment. At this rate he'll be doing an impression of a Soviet era leader at the next GE. Just think of the young talented people blocked by this dinosaur
As always with JC it’s what he doesn’t say.
Try to have a think about what a stupid comment that is.
As always with JC it’s what he doesn’t say.
The word 'sorry' seems to be one he struggles with.
I suppose that when you're infallible, its not something you need in your vocabulary
“I am sorry for the hurt that has been caused to many Jewish people. We have been too slow in processing disciplinary cases of, mostly, online antisemitic abuse by party members. We are acting to speed this process up.”
Jeremy Corbyn, 2018
“Obviously I’m very sorry for everything that’s happened but I want to make this clear I am dealing with it.
Jeremy Corbyn, 2019
“I regret the pain this issue has caused the Jewish community"
Jeremy Corbyn, 2020
But don't let facts get in the way eh.
You call those apologies?!?
I’m sorry for everything that has happened as well.
> shrug <
You don’t exactly set a high bar do you.
Not for ex-leaders… no… just let him and everyone else move on. I set a much higher bar for someone with actual power, or asking to be given power. Let’s just leave Corbyn alone now.
Well that didn't last long did it? I wonder if the party accountants freaked out at the hundreds of thousands per month they were losing after members cancelled their direct debits in protest. I'll have to decide whether to restart mine now. I think I'll wait for some commitments on the green new deal and signs they're willing to consider some new solutions on the economy. Hopefully this can draw a line under the internecine fighting, but I doubt it. The rightwingers will be back with something else to stir the nest before long.
I see that his characteristically peevish “sorry/not sorry” hit the minimum required to stop the sixth formers howls of injustice and got him readmitted.
Back to his comfort zone. Being a total PITA on the back benches, voting against the labour party and doing all in his power to ensure a Tory government
Same old, same old...
Same old, same old…
Yeah you are highly predictable. Although well done for not going for the primary school level hilarious photo.
Solidarity, comrade
From...
The word ‘sorry’ seems to be one he struggles with.
To...
I see that his characteristically peevish “sorry/not sorry” hit the minimum required to stop the sixth formers howls of injustice and got him readmitted.
I hope you didn't run into anything, reversing that quickly.
Back to his comfort zone. Being a total PITA on the back benches, voting against the labour party and doing all in his power to ensure a Tory government
Not really sure how voting on his personal principles is "ensuring a Tory government" - maybe just representing the vies of his constituents? Who cares though eh, best just sent him off to Keith's re-education gulag.
After 2017's campaign sabotage, the chicken coup, the CUKTIG splitters, the internal party members deliberately obstructing Corbyn's efforts to improve complpaints handling; the sheer ****ing gall of saying "Corbyn is ensuring a Tory government" is mind-blowing. No wonder the members who were drawn to the party with some hope for a new direction are now leaving in droves.
I hope you didn’t run into anything, reversing that quickly
Reversing?
You know what sorry/not sorry means, right?
The non-apology?
The thing that’s crafted to sound like an apology, yet isn’t one?
It’s one of Borises favourites too, used when he’s suitably unrepentant after calling people letterboxes or something.
But Jezza shares the same massive narcissism with Boris. He didn’t actually apologise because he’s so self-righteous and sanctimonious he simply refuses to accept he could ever be in the wrong, so therefore could never have anything to apologise for.
And once again he’ll be revelling in this because it’s all about ‘Me Me! Me!’ as all the Koresh-level cult members all take to Twitter to compete to see who can blow the most smoke up his arse.
It’s massively damaging to the Labour Party and a gift to the Tories, obviously, but then when did he ever care about that?
The Tory sleeper cell strikes again! They sent him out to try and restore their poll lead since labour had established one since he left
£50 a year?!? Is that right? I can join the SNP, LibDems AND Conservatives for that… all three of them that is, not just one.
But Jezza shares the same massive narcissism with Boris.
I would argue you trying to make these threads all about you is far more narcissistic.
see that his characteristically peevish “sorry/not sorry” hit the minimum required to stop the sixth formers howls of injustice and got him readmitted.
Trans: independent inquiries are ok as long as they give you the answer you want.
I would argue you trying to make these threads all about you is far more narcissistic.
Oh, I just leave that to the sixth formers usual suspects. You lot love making it about me. I’ve repeatedly suggested you start another thread explicitly for that purpose as you seem to enjoy it so much
See... you’ve done it again. 😃
It’s all very flattering, but back on topic...
You lot love making it about me.
I can pretty much guarantee that your regular rantings would be neither missed nor mentioned, should you ever chose to spare us from them. Give it a try, why don't you?
You love it!
Anyways... much as you lot get off on talking about me, getting back to the matter in point...
we’re in the middle of a pandemic that the Tory government is handling appallingly while corruptly handing out multimillion pound contracts to their mates, over 50,000 people are dead, Boris has *ed off the entire population of Scotland, a no deal Brexit looms, and what’s the lead story on Newsnight...
JEREMY *ING CORBYN!!
FFS!!! If anyone still believes Corbyn isn’t actually working for the Tory party then they’re delusional
It’s the only rational explanation
He is their most loyal and efficient servant. All their birthdays and Christmases come at once.
There’s no way on earth that somebody not being paid directly by Tory Central Office could ever be such a gift to them. He literally just keeps giving
Boris must be laughing his tits off at this. Starmer will have his head in his hands
When we hoped the useless old **** had finally shuffled off to the allotment it was just wishful thinking. He still has so much more damage left to do to the Labour Party yet
Oh joy!
Fair play to him for his ceaseless commitment to the Tory party. They really should give him a knighthood for his service
He still has so much damage left to do to the Labour Party yet
On the bright side, it's a reason for you to entertain us with your small stock of hilarious pictures.
You back on to talking about me again? Rather than address the actual issues? How yawn-inducingly predictable. That’s the common room for you.
Anything to say about the actual subject of the thread? Rather than just slagging off anyone who dares to criticise your frankly weird non-personality cult?
No... thought not
Standard. 🙄
In case you’re bothered, the third story on Newsnight is about yet another £250 million dodgy PPE contract to the Tory’s mates.
But we all know that Jeremy is far more important than that, isn't he?
Do feel free to fill us all in on the situation is in Venezuela...