Jeremy Corbyn

Excellent @klunk

Kahn is a good candidate for Mayor, whether he can attract voters who previously helped to elect Boris remains to be seen. He could well boost the Laboir vote by getting a higher turnout, I confess I don't know how the mayoral vote works - single constituency (good for Kahn) vs multiple (worse). Goldsmith is an interesting opponent, balancing his family wealth with his environmental credentials.

Not meaning to be patronising at all but he's a role model for young Muslims about what you can achieve in the UK. There is another route than becoming bitter and twisted about lack of opportunity or lack of respect.

Diane Abbott and a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet.

I heard Jeremy say that he intended to form a shadow cabinet from the broader Laboir party and that MPs weren't the be all and end all. So what does he mean ? Trade unionists in the Shadow Cabinet (that seems a bit jobs for the boys to me).

I also read Corbyn would not take the oath to be in the privy council so he cannot receive classified briefings, so how can he make informed decisions on international policy and security matters ?

I also read Corbyn would not take the oath to be in the privy council so he cannot receive classified briefings,

My point is you can't extrapolate Labour voters in London to Labour voters in the rest of the UK.

So what does he mean ? Trade unionists in the Shadow Cabinet (that seems a bit jobs for the boys to me).

To be in the Shadow Cabinet a person has to be an MP or a member of the House of Lords, I'm surprised you didn't know that jambalaya.

So Jeremy Corbyn and Tom Watson then.

Tony Blair must be spinning in his grave.

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Watson has just overrun on his speech.

He was supposed to have a 3 minute slot and seems to talking for about 10.

Like all of them, just loves the sound of his own voice.

Tom Watson just used the word 'comrades'. The worm has definitely turned.

Get in!

Yay! for Team Clown Shoes !

I'd just like to thank all those who have made a conservative victory in 2020 possible.

Woo. Nice one!

Not even close. I'm shocked, and really rather emotional. Never thought I'd see the day.

This is when all the MPs who said they'd never support him start resigning, right?

[b]The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its every fold.
So raise the scarlet standard high,
Beneath its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here
[/b]

Well done Corbyn. An incredible story and extraordinary period of politics recently and ahead.

(Not sure about all the friendly stuff now though. More false smiles than the Oscars!)

I am sure the unity will last till they get off stage/cameras are not on them THM 😀

So we will have Corbyn and then [hopefully] Tories imploding over the EU vote....interesting times ahead.

"Think where man's glory most begins and ends, and say my glory was I had such friends."

William Butler Yeats

I wonder if the Conservative party will fall apart now there's no opposition for the next election to unite them.

Hang on, didn't Labour vote against assisted suicide last week?

This is when all the MPs who said they'd never support him start resigning, right?

First one jumps ship during the speech! No lack of energy in that presentation. First PMQ's is going to be interesting. Keep your eye on the new chief whip.

Well, at least the Labour Party will actually be the Labour Party again. I wouldn't necessarily write them off as unelectable just yet. There is a lot of time for the Tories to screw things up before the next election. Remember that John Smith would have been a shoe-in in 97. Whilst he wasn't a die hard socialist, he was certainly much more traditionally labour than Bliar. The greatest tragedy for the Labour Party was selling its soul to the devil when there probably wasn't any real need.

Let's hope we get some pragmatism rather than dogmatism for a change:

Railways - huge % of overall cost due to underlying infrastructure that is old in many cases and in need of constant maintenance. Allowing private companies to cherry pick the small % of things they are interested in doing and leaving the tax payer to pay for the inconvenient bit just isn't on. Nationalise.

Telecommunications - relatively small % of cost due to infrastructure, so the sector can be allowed to compete on the basis of innovation and price and give the best range of choices to consumers. Privatise.

Too often dogma gets in the way of doing the best thing.

i have to say that i'm glad he won.

hopefully he'll tell tony blair to go **** himself now 🙂

I think there will be a rain of corks from over tory party HQ right now...

I think the next few months will be interesting, there might even be a split in politics, just a shame there are more in the middle that the extreme. Where is Cougars pic of the bit about there being a very vocal minority than the rest.

This is when all the MPs who said they'd never support him start resigning, right?

Still struggling to get my head round it. I really never believed this day would come. The whole of the western world is experiencing a political shift against the neo-liberal consensus of the past 30 years. It's mind boggling to think that the vanguard of that will be here in the UK in the form of the labour party.

Blimey, these questions are awful - weak attempts to create headlines. Almost as bad as the new bloke in Newsnignt last night.

The media or MPs, who s worse?

Eds a bit lukewarm here!!

Be interesting to see what happens to the membership figures now.

racefaceec90 - Member
...hopefully he'll tell tony blair to go **** himself now

Hopefully he'll push to have Tony Blair face justice for war crimes...

It has to be a good thing, to have the opposition headed by someone who (apparently) has a conscience and a sense of equality.

Still struggling to get my head round it.

I'm not [i]that[/i] politically-savvy, but yeah, me too.

I wonder if it will switch back traditional Labour voters up here.

hopefully he'll actually do a decent job of being leader of the opposition party.

Nationalise railway, idiocy, it would lead to decades of inefficiency, new empire building and reorganisations. Better to get some oil industry contracts managers in to beat up the project delivery contractors.

It makes for interesting times but his hands will be tied and he will have to come back into line like the government in Greece. It just shows how far to the right the centre of gravity of British politics has been pulled that he should be regarded as a revolutionary. It seems that the groundswell of support for Corbyn came from people who don't usually have a media presence or voice so some see it as coming out of the blue (sic). I think there is a significant shift of opinion away from neoliberalism but it has yet to develop a consistent perspective or ideology and therein lies its weakness.

Can Jezza be PM, ie, would the country which has just voted conservative and SNP, vote Labour under Jezza instead? If no-one believes it could happen, then his position in opposition is pointless. Opposition's influence comes from the notion that they can become government and implement their own policies. Without that, and ignoring chatter and noise, they have as much real influence as a 1990s Liberal.

Almost as bad as the new bloke in Newsnignt last night.

You mean the one who didn't agree that there is a BBC conspiracy to blacken the name of our good friends the Saudis? He was a bit odd but I'm not sure how he could have done differently faced with interviewees who were happy to claim that the most blatant and outrageous lies are the truth. Come to think of it ...

Tony Blair must be spinning in his grave.

We should be so lucky!

Tom Watson, will be great to see him with a senior role. Have been impressed with his contributions to the Hacked Off campaign, his can hold a room when speaking and one to one on the few occasions I've been able to meet him.

Get in Corbyn !!!

I see the SNP are claiming a Corbyn victory is a basis for another Indpendence Referendum 🙂 Everything is the basis for a new referendum in their book. I think Scotland is going to prove a big test for Corbyn, personally I think Strugeon will make mincemeat of him, she's already calling him out on Trident and a response of "I'll consult" isn't going to wash

Plenty of shadow cabinet resignations, more to come I'd say.

Labour will now get the chance to debate and see how the electorate reacts to a more left wing agenda. I heard his supporters singing the Reg Flag when escorting him into the Queen Elizabeth II centre

Lots of "traditional" Labour and far left policies to come I guess, the interesting thing is that if enough labour bods are disaffected, anything remaining from the wreckage of the Lib Dems plus some moderate Tories there might just start to emerge a new centre party...something like the SDP perhaps?

hopefully he'll actually do a decent job of being leader of the opposition party

Seems to confirm that you are resigned to being nothing more than an opposition party in the future.

Wouldn't you have been better off electing somebody who would have done a decent job of being the next prime minister?

Hang on, didn't Labour vote against assisted suicide last week?

Thats right, they've done this all on their own 😆

jambalaya - Member

I see the SNP are claiming a Corbyn victory is a basis for another Indpendence Referendum

Do you? All I can see that's [i]vaguely[/i] similiar is Sturgeon saying

“Indeed, if Labour cannot quickly demonstrate that they have a credible chance of winning the next UK general election, many more people in Scotland are likely to conclude that independence is the only alternative to continued Tory government,”

Guardian headline above the quote you have. Laboir have zero chance of "quickly demonstrating they can win a UK election" and she knows it. Hence the very obvious and swift Segway to justifying their call. Like Insaid everything justifies a referendum in their book

If a Corbyn can enable some clear water to appear between the two main parties in terms of policy then, irrespective of your personal political beliefs I can't see how this cannot be seen as a great day.

Whilst I do have some empathy for the opinion that a political party must be electable to have a reason for being, I have always felt this was about its ability to operate in a professional way, not about turning itself inside out to have populist policies that are easily digestible by those unable to think beyond soundbites. MPs have been shown up to be more concerned with keeping themselves in a job and are happy to whore out their opinions to whatever is perceived as the most likely direction for that to be achieved with little regard for the political beliefs of the party they are meant to represent. The labour party might just have found a man that wants to promote policy that the broader membership believe in first and foremost. It is now the responsibility of the man and the remainder of membership to persuade the nation that their ideas are the best for the nation's best interests. That's how politics should work. A great day (I hope!).