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LOL at CFH & Binners!
When is he going to launch a 'No Confidence' motion on himself?
Corbyn refused to rule out Labour backing revoking article 50 - although he strongly played down the prospect. Asked if he would consider the idea, Corbyn said that was a hypothetical question. Pressed again on whether he was ruling this out, he said:
We think that what we are proposing can be achieved in the British parliament. We do believe we can construct a majority which will prevent the crashing out and all the chaos that will come from crashing out, and that is what we are absolutely focused on.
thats the Corbyn the hard leaver who wants no deal apparently.
Uncle Jezza - as with any politician, ignore what they say and look at what they do
The present charge sheet:
1. Called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately, about 30 seconds after the referendum result came in
2. Whipped his MP's (oh the irony) to trigger Article 50
3. Whipped his MP's (oh... etc...) to vote against remaining in the customs union
4. Whipped his MP's (oh...) to vote against remaining in the single market
5. Waffled a bit about red unicorns, when not on the allotment
6. Whipped his MP's (oh... oh... oh...) to abstain on a vote for a second referendum
I presume 7 will be 'launch insurrection against neoliberalism'. Or 'buy vegan cheese and organic gluten-free crackers', or something....
But, no... you're right... definitely not a Brexiteer. No siree. You must be mad to come to that conclusion
Or look at what he says and has done? IE fought every step of the way for the softest of soft brexits. I know you hate him but does that hatred have to make you blind?
On the second referendum you do realise Alistair Campbell agreed that then was not the right time?
NOW it makes sense!
fought every step of the way for the softest of soft brexits.
Erm.... ok. You've read the list above? You know the bit about whipping his MPs to vote against remaining in the customs union and the single market, right? So when you say soft Brexit' you mean an Iain Duncan Smith/John Redwood style 'Soft Brexit' yeah?
Anyways... I see Chuka Umunna everywhere, admits haunted Corbyn
I presume 7 will be ‘launch insurrection against neoliberalism’. Or ‘buy vegan cheese and organic gluten-free crackers’, or something….
I've always been puzzled that you rant about 6th form politics and post pictures of Monty Python, and then make daft comments like this, on top of wilfully ignoring simple facts as TJ has pointed out. It's straight from Trump's 'alternative facts' playbook. It's all good fun but doesn't help the argument or persuade anyone else.
And dare I ask what vegan cheese has to do with it?
thats the Corbyn the hard leaver
Corbyn says literally nothing as regards recinding A50… and from that you want us to ignore his words and actions of the last 3 years (and for decades before)… right…
People Magic Grandpa thinks we must talk to to find a solution:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
Good decision AFAIC. As she says: "An attack like this is an attack on our democratic process."
Also, if you had a problem with Remaining JC is a bit of an odd target.
He was sent a death threat too from the same guy.
He was sent a death threat too from the same guy.
Given that 28 days seems a bit light...
Anybody else notice that Corbyn is wearing glasses nearly all the time now, at least in photos, probably in an effort to make himself look more competant ready for a GE. Part of his teams grooming effort.
Well, he just looks like a pervert geography teacher now.
Secretly supports Spexit?
Anybody else notice that Corbyn is wearing glasses nearly all the time now, at least in photos, probably in an effort to make himself look more competant ready for a GE
Or maybe his eyes have deteriorated (not uncommon as people age) but yeah I am sure it is related to a GE...
Or maybe his eyes have deteriorated
That can't be right - it must be because he is a Marxist and an anti-Semite
<insert Life of Brian picture or hilarious reference to "Magic Grandpa">
(Have I got the hang of this Corbyn-bashing yet? )
Maybe he is so buys reading all the reports that don't make the papers about the Tories being rampant islamaphobes?
Good effort drj. To get it spot on you need to channel a frothing Mark Francois a bit and throw in a few more bingo words "Venezuela" "sixth formers" "trident" etc
My eyes would go a bit wonky after sitting on the fence for so long
Since this thread got revived did JC ever confirm/deny walking out the the meeting 'cos of Chukka?
Vince Cable says he did and the Labour spokesman didn't deny it (more confirmed it really). So is it a fact that this happened and if so specifically what was the problem? Was it really just an objecting to a non-party leader being there? If so seems a bit petty given the gravity of the situation. Alternatively if it was just an excuse to avoid the meeting and getting tarnished with some of the blame for this farce it's a pretty unfortunate issue to have picked.
So has it been denied outright anywhere? My google-fu is weak on this one.
He met may later. Quite right imo. C.U shouldn't be there.
Whatever his exact reasons were, it was another timewasty May stunt and he gave it more respect than it deserved. Remember what the outcome was...
When she called for actual meaningful talks, he was there and took it a lot more seriously than she did. It's a strange world if anyone can point the finger at Corbyn as being the problem in May's inability to change or compromise.
Particularly like this most recent poll. (Sure they change all the time and ultimately mean nothing but if Binners gets to point how they have a mystery 10pt lag - then I can show this.)
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1115964756077289472
+8.6 pt lead.
It's a depressing state of affairs when the only real Pro Eu party is polling lower than UKIP.
A labour GE win at this stage simply kicks off the process again for a red unicorn brexit and another waste of a year.
Other issues matter Mike?
So I completely disagree.
DrJ
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Or maybe his eyes have deteriorated
That can’t be right – it must be because he is a Marxist and an anti-Semite
<insert Life of Brian picture or hilarious reference to “Magic Grandpa”>
(Have I got the hang of this Corbyn-bashing yet? )
very good. Yes thats about it
In this moment of national crisis, which politicians have done most to try to ensure risks of hard Brexit and dealless crashing out are minimised? Has it been the shitest main party leaders I can remember, IDS included? Nope. Cooper and Letwin have been about as effective as they could have been given their roles. How much better would the situation be if cooper was leader of the opposition? An effective and experienced leader, able to make things happen and carry people with her, and turn up the heat on a government so inefective it doesn't warrant the name? Corbyn is part of the tragedy
Other issues matter Mike?
So I completely disagree.
They do, which is why I'd much rather see Labour in coalition with another party at this stage. I can't vote for a party who will continue with brexit - I note the poll does not include tig/change
which politicians have done most to try to ensure risks of hard Brexit and dealless crashing out are minimised?
Corbyn? Trying to find the least damaging Brexit? Insisting on May removing some of her red lines while holding his badly split party together? BINO?
You should probably vote for him tj.
rone
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Other issues matter Mike?So I completely disagree
if you think that the next 10 years of Brexit negotiations wont swallow up all of the next 2 parliament's focus, exactly as it has for the last 3 you are being very very optimistic
the WA is only about 80% of the stuff we need to negotiate
If Cooper had been leader she would have been in the same bind as Corbyn. Dealing with a badly split party. Lage number threatening to walk as he is too brexity and another large part threatening to walk if he is not brexity enough
Also Letwin nor any other Tories will support anything coming from the Labour leader. Do you really think Cooper has not been acting with at least tacit consent from the leadership?
These issues remain no matter who the leader is.
I cannot think of anyone who meets the description but as someone else said what labour need is someone who can energise adn sell an idea. Corbyn is not the man for that but I cannot think of another person in the labour movement who has Blair type salesmans ability - and even he I doubt could do it. Coooper certainly could not. Nor Starmer nor Watson.
mikewsmith
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You should probably vote for him tj.
I can't. I am a long way from Islington.
Another poll.
https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the-telegraph-voting-intention-and-brexit-poll-april-2019/
This one by an actual polling organisation.
"This one by an actual polling organisation."
The last one posted was from Hanbury Strategy- a registered polling organisation, not to mention political analysis group set up by David Cameron's advisor Ameet Gill and brexiteer Paul Stephenson.
Pure political propaganda and not be taken seriously, but it made I larf.
https://www.libdems.org.uk/corbyn-farage-quiz
2 out of 6 for me!
seeing as the other thread was closed
Binners
Your favourite for the labour leadership Burnham is / was of the same persuasion as corbyn - " We must respect the referendum" " Freedom of movement must end"
around 1/3 of the PLP follow this line.
so if Burnham had been leader as you wanted then labour party policy would be the same or very similar to what it is now.
So why do you slate Corbyn so much but Burnham with the same views would be a great candidate.?
That can’t be right – it must be because he is a Marxist and an anti-Semite
<insert Life of Brian picture or hilarious reference to “Magic Grandpa”>
(Have I got the hang of this Corbyn-bashing yet? )
But Corbyn IS a friend to the IRA and HAMAS, DID hold Venezuela up as an example of a Socialist Utopia, and the Shadow Chancellor DOES believe in Marxist economics. Have a read of the utterly bonkers, incoherent Postcapitalism by Paul Mason, a love letter to Marx and early 20th century Soviet Socialism. But hey, free stuff, owls for everyone.
Well... for the first time in the 23 years I've been old enough to vote, I just voted for a Party other than Labour.
Uncle Jezza. Why on earth are you still banging on about Andy Burnham? I thought he'd make a better leader than Corbyn. But that was when? 2-3 years ago?
Its fair to say a lot as happened since then. Andy is now Mayor of Manchester where he's doing a decent job, and Corbyn is still apparently the leader of the labour party where he's doing such a bad job its difficult to know how to describe it? Awful? Dismal? Appalling? Impotent? Useless? Clueless? Catastrophic?
As you know I could happily give you chapter and verse about what a truly appalling choice of leader he was, but he's spent the last few years proving it beyond all reasonable doubt, on a daily basis.
The voters of this country will deliver that verdict yet again today, loud and clear. And really thats the only thing that matters
You had one job......
The reason I keep banging on about this is you thought him the best candidate despite his enthusiastic support for the same position on brexit as Corbyn
I want you to answer why Burnham was a good candidate despite " respecting the referendum" and "end of FOM" But Corbyn is the antichrist for the same reasons!
Burnham BTW is a foul man - plying the race card in the manchester election.
So go on - why is Burnham a good candidate and Corbyn a bad leader when they share the same views on brexit?
Burnham would have taken labour policy in the same direction