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It's not deliberate on my part but I can't think of a single penny he get's from me.
Same here. I can't think of anything in his empire I'm interested in.
That was more of football / sport being funded by us the fans, alongside the Greg Dyke Alan Sugar /Rupert Murdoch triumvirate , I was stood at the laying of the foundations of the then Reebok , and it just hit me, my season ticket is going up to build that thing, and pay over inflated salaries, and it was all to get Sugars receiving equipment beaming Murdoch propaganda in to our homes, and The Sun did the first thrust of the advertising that persuaded us of the merits. Get Sky sports in to our homes and the other channels follow by default including the insidious Sky News, that gets around slander laws by describing itself as an " entertainment show" instead of news.
Pass the tinfoil!
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I don't support any Murdoch publications, I doubt he gas
I don't support any Murdoch publucations, I doubt he gas
I make you right, Jambs
Avoided this thread as I couldn't be bothered arguing up until now.
Biggest labour gains in ages, pity they didn't get closer and at least form a coalition government, but I'm having fun reading the earlier pages, e.g.
IHN - Member
The problem with the left wingers in the Labour party is that they don't seem to realise that the country as whole is not left wing. As has been proved in basically every election ever, the only way to win is to win over the centre, and really centre-right, ground.Corbyn as leader will be as effective at reigning the Tories in as Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, i.e. not at all.
It's been PROVED in every election ever, so it must be right. LOL.
And again, I'd like to have seen them win an outright majority, but it's hardly the unelectable mess predicted, is it?
@ ulysse - Already do. Never knowingly spent a penny on anything associated with that scumbag and his poisonous web, never will.
Am I still allowed to support Froomedog?
I'm fairly sure he's not had a penny off me, but that's not particularly a moral position of mine, just don't feel the need to pay lots of money for TV.
If you'd have said Chris Froome, I might have allowed an exception, but there's no chance now.aracer - MemberAm I still allowed to support Froomedog?
Harper Collins
National Geographic
I hope Labour go hard about Leveson & serious fraud office.
I make you right, Jambs
Strange times in which we live.
Yup hogtied and interned to Guantanamo. A touch of weatherboarding just for shits and giggles.
Corbyn has been totally silent on Leveson 2, only Tom Watson and Ed Milliband I've heard anything from. As I said before if you want things to change in the press join and donate to Hacked Off
Corbyn has been totally silent on Leveson 2,
I've not heard a peep from May about it either?
Has anyone heard from Cranberry yet?
He's off to try and claim his £3 back
I've not heard a peep from May about it either?
The second part of the Leveson Inquiry into phone hacking was earmarked to examine the culture, practices and ethics of the press.But the Tories have pledged in their election manifesto not to pull the trigger on the probe, arguing that the “comprehensive nature” of the first investigation means it is no longer necessary.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/18/tories-pledge-drop-leveson-part-two-investigation-corrupt-dealings/
Jambys response to this was as vocal as corbyns 😉 . I asked him directly at the time about it as I assumed he would have been deeply disappointed by this [ both of us are in hacked off] but he did not respond. I doubt he will now.
He's off to try and claim his £3 back
Money bloody well spent. 318 vs 262 may feel like a victory, expectations and all that but its a loss
You can spin this any way you want but it's a fact that going from a majority government to a minority one and having to crawl into bed with arcane, homophobic zealots in order to form any kind of government is nothing short of an absolute disaster for the Tory party. What's more, it displays poor judgement in the extreme that will do as much damage to the party as the poor showing in the election. Oh, and don't forget the misguided arrogance of calling the election in the first place.
Corbyn may have lost in terms of numbers, but the Tories have lost a hell of a lot more.
Money bloody well spent. 318 vs 262 may feel like a victory, expectations and all that but its a loss
Still not actually admitting what happened I see. Funny that after months of shouting that Corbyn and his loony left pals are unelectable, will be wiped out, 100-150 majority etc, you're now denying the fact that you were utterly wrong on every front, and now seek solace in the fact that you scraped in with help of a bunch of racist religious fundamentalists. Yes, the labour party didn't win, but I think we all know who lost.
Money bloody well spent.
indeed, brexit thrown into (further) chaos
the Tories and May humiliated, 3 quid for the look on Raabs face after the exit polls when I got back from my night ride and turned on the TV was a bargain imho!
funnily enough cranberry hasnt been on here trumpeting his great success 🙂
Money bloody well spent. 318 vs 262 may feel like a victory, expectations and all that but its a loss
Not even close! May went into this to increase her majority and instead lost it. There's no victory for the Tories and everyone knows it including you.
No one thinks Labour won this election but very few if any really expected it. Instead the objective was to limit the Conservative lead and provide a genuine alternative able to win a significant number of votes. That's why some view the result as a win because it's better than really could have been hoped for.
It is interesting to see how anyone can claim going from a majority to a minority government though your own choices can be anything other than a massive loss.
Overused at this point but spot on.
"Nobody won the election but only one party lost it"
Its a [s]150[/s] [s]100[/s] [s]75[/s] -13 seat victory
exactly as you told us all it would be because May is playing a blinder 😆
I'll put this here rather than in GE thread.
Very interesting to look at Labour wins in England. Tory strategy of taking UKIP voters who had originally been Labour supporters definitely failed wth the UKIP vote either being split fairly evenly with Labour or in some cases Labour taking back the majority (Corbyn's reluctant acceptance of no freedom of movement looks to have been key in that regard). Also the new voter registrations look to have been pivotal in a few key student constituencies where Labour won almost solely based on these new votes. Look at Brighton Kempton for example Labour up significantly but not on a material swing from other parties http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/constituencies/E14000597
@kimbers clearly that's a fair enough point 🙂 wasn't just me was it though - did you see John Snow's intro to C4 news ?
Still its the Tories forming a minority government and we don't have a hung parliament any longer. Seems highly likely we'll have another GE within 2 years, I don't recall minority governments ever lasting much more than 3 and with Brexit negotiations this is even less likely. Labour and Corbyn will be feeling confident but its a while off yet and its hard to see the Tories messing up as badly again strategy wise.
Tory strategy of taking UKIP voters who had originally been Labour supporters definitely failed
maybe theyve just changed their mind on brexit surely thats the most obvious reason for ditching the kippers
😉
this entire election was to get May a strong mandate for Brexit
the electorate has spoken, shes now weaker than ever before
and its hard to see the Tories messing up as badly again strategy wise.
your predictions of Tory electoral capabilities are notoriously over optimistic
Still its the Tories forming a minority government and we don't have a hung parliament any longer. Seems highly likely we'll have another GE within 2 years,
Yes, it's such a shame they had to call the election...
The best thing that has happened is young people came out and voted, the turnout went up and things changed.
What was obvious is how younger people are rejecting the Tory policies which have nearly all been bad for them. Stuff will have to change, she can't go to the next election with the same shit.
Also on brexit FOM etc. something that was pointed out repeatedly is all this crap pandering to the 52% while ignoring the 48% will not win you elections.
Given the positions the DUP have many will find it very hard to work with them and their demand list will be unpalatable to many - when will tories accept they can't win a vote and keep some principles. Election by November, May to stand down.
Potentially another election sooner rather than later might be better for the Tories?
If it goes the full five years and the data confirms the youth vote was key this time there'll be another entire generation of first time voters coming through...
Potentially another election sooner rather than later might be better for the Tories?
The other side is the momentum is with the opposition parties, they have bloodied the nose of the SNP enough that they could get seats back, there are some very very close blue holds that could go the other way with a little more turnout. It could possibly finish off this government if people do think it's possible. Voter apathy seems to be highest when they can't see a possible change. Fresh memories and harder campaigning - Labour don't need to change their manifesto - tories might just have to.
I suspect that the Tories will want to wait until next year before they call another GE, as the boundary changes in 2018 will gift them around 20 more seats. (According to R4 yesterday.)
Labour don't need to change their manifesto - tories might just have to.
the Tories had a manifesto?
yes it was trust me I am not jeremy
Strong and stable
Standign with theressa
Worked a treat
Jamby is correct in that the Tories will not be this bad again - then again he was telling us two days before the election that she had led a faultless campaign - would you like me to quote you again Mr flip flop ? - but the question is can they change the momentum which , if not quite with labour, is certainly against the Tories
When they do go for a GE they will be seen as causing yet another election and will be damaged by being weak and wobbly and in bed with "terrorist extremists"
They will be internally divided and Scotland will possibly swing to labour to help boot out the Tories .At this moment in time labour would welcome a GE more than Tories who are in disarray.
I do not personally see a damaged leader, a potential leadership challenge, a weak govt propped up by nutters helping them much
Tories best hope is that th ePLP go for Jeremy again
I hope that all the Corbyn fans on here are suitably grateful to the likes of Binners (and me, to a limited extent).
Were it not for the constant barrage of abuse from the centre-left, Theresa would never have felt confident enough to launch herself into oblivion. 🙂
Must admit, I'm prepared to eat humble pie at this point, although I'm still staggered how the Tories managed to run a campaign that made JC look statesmanlike in comparison.
Even if he were not to fight the next election, he's done his job - motivated a swathe of younger voters who will be a thorn in the side of the Tories for decades to come.
😆Were it not for the constant barrage of abuse from the centre-left, Theresa would never have felt confident enough to launch herself into oblivion.
All i wanted was an attempt to present the idea to the electorate and see if a left wing agenda could energise the young and those who did not vote to see there was an real alternative and it would make a real difference so it was worth voting
The experiment has not fully won yet but it has certainly made some inroads
Also on brexit FOM etc. something that was pointed out repeatedly is all this crap pandering to the 52% while ignoring the 48% will not win you elections.
How did the Lib Dems do? Labour were stopping freedom of movement and stated so
martinhutch - Member
I hope that all the Corbyn fans on here are suitably grateful to the likes of Binners (and me, to a limited extent).
The constant negativity must have had an effect.
I'm not massively impressed by some of the damascene conversions I've witnessed recently, tbh.
Who knows what would have happened if the party and some of it's so called supporters had got behind him earlier instead of doing the Tories job for them?
How did the Lib Dems do?
Lib Dems improved their number of MPs by the highest % point of any party
Who knows what would have happened if the party and some of it's so called supporters had got behind him earlier instead of doing the Tories job for them?
Ask Jamba. He's good at predictions.
In other news - apparently Diane Abbot 's majority was as big as Maybot's total vote.
nice link Dr J
less well at remembering them than making themHe's good at predictions.
It's so disappointing Jamba can't just put his hand up and admit to being wrong. All the May is playing a blinder posts just look foolish now. If he had anything about him he would show a bit of humility that he got it so badly wrong.
I can happily admit that I was wrong about Corbyn, thought he had no chance but he campaigned really well in the face of increasingly personal attacks by the press as well as May Johnson Rudd etc.
I will never be his biggest fan but I enderestimated the man.