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It would be good if Labour came up with some big picture long term aims re productivity and infrastructure. Think Milliband could have one with some ambition/ optimism/ make GB great type stuff.
May said workers on the board of companies (she u-turned on that aswell) Hope its a Labour policy.
I think the civil servants told her it wasn't legally possible to have worker directors.
She just hadn't thought it through. Sounded good though.
So the idea of more bank holidays is a great idea but who is going to pay for them, as a small business owner struggling to make ends meet having to pay people not to be there is a vote winner for me.
Don't forget that Bank holidays in Germany are "always" on the day they fall. So if Christmas and New Year fall on a Saturday and boxing day a Sunday you have to work the full 5 days between. They never move weekend dates to a Monday like we do here. Not sure how it is in other EU countries.
"So the idea of more bank holidays is a great idea but who is going to pay for them, as a small business owner struggling to make ends meet having to pay people not to be there is a vote winner for me."
You just subtract from annual leave allowance.
Everywhere I have worked its been so many days plus bank holidays.
"Everywhere I have worked its been so many days plus bank holidays."
Me too, but the law doesn't require that.
I wonder how members of unite would react to being told " you've got 4 more bank holidays but they are coming out of your annual leave ".
"I wonder how members of unite would react to being told " you've got 4 more bank holidays but they are coming out of your annual leave "
My guess is they'd cheerfully accept it as a necessary step.
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Most of us get 4/5 weeks plus the bank hols. In the states they get three weeks, don't they?
Usually just two AFAIK. And they do have lots of public holidays but mostly only government employees get those - most peope work on them.
I think I know why we have a productivity issue. The relentless drive to cut costs to improve profitability means we outsource everything and lose skills, so things are continually being ****ed up.
This will cheer Binners up
https://order-order.com/2017/04/24/karen-danczuk-seeks-selection-in-bury/
We've already got a candidate.
Mind you... nice bloke though James is, I've always thought someone who likes getting their norks out is bound to be an improvement 😀
rone - MemberJeez, who doesn't want a better world?
Everyone does, it's just that some people's idea of a better world is radically different from others.
IME Time spent off work is way down the list of things that stop work being done.
A friend was pontificating about the company cost of bank hols on faceache, from her very privileged position of being allowed a 5 year career break to have kids, then being able to return to a guaranteed job at the end (same pay).
Tories to beat Labour in Wales for the first time in 100 years
Everyone does, it's just that some people's idea of a better world is radically different from others.
I think what's radically different is how people expect it to be paid for.
Northwich I think the biggest disagreement is about how we get to a better world.
I think what's radically different is how people expect it to be paid for.
Or what it looks like, what some people see and imagine horrifies others. At the moment world tends to mean within the borders of the country I live in and has little to do with making the actual world a better place. You can't do one without the other.
stumpyjon - MemberNorthwich I think the biggest disagreement is about how we get to a better world.
I really don't think it is- I think it's pretty clear that not everyone wants to go in the same direction. In fact the UK's 2 parties spend a lot of their time tearing down the other party's effort to get to [i]their[/i] better world.
Everyone does, it's just that some people's idea of a better world is radically different from others.
Agreed, apart from some folks' vision of utopia seems to want/accept a lot of people suffering at the bottom.
I think what's radically different is how people expect it to be paid for.
I'm not buying this. There is money, resources and the technology out there.
It's the distribution that's off.
Plus I genuinely believe conservatism is all about protecting the interests of those that already have stuff and lecturing the bottom rung on how to live their lives in the hope they do as they're told.
You know, look after the pennies and the pounds etc.
The Tories I know have generally done very well out of lucky inheritance. Hardly a skill - but seem to have a strong world view on how everything should work.
Plus I genuinely believe conservatism is all about protecting the interests of those that already have stuff and lecturing the bottom rung on how to live their lives in the hope they do as they're told.
You haven't met enough conservatives, or perhaps you've been wearing red tinted glasses when you have met them 😉
Most conservatives I know have been passed very little if anything in inheritances, and have worked hard to get where they are. They have had to budget and to take care of their own families as well as contributing financially to other people's families. Is it wrong to expect the same financial discipline and responsibility that they apply to themselves to be applied to those who they pay for ?
Most conservatives I know have been passed very little if anything in inheritances, and have worked hard to get where they are. They have had to budget and to take care of their own families as well as contributing financially to other people's families. Is it wrong to expect the same financial discipline and responsibility that they apply to themselves to be applied to those who they pay for ?
Whereas most conservatives I know have just been lucky (family, upbringing, genetics and maybe inheritance but probably not)
They have not worked any harder than anyone else but they have had a good start in life, they are genetically blessed with intelligence and ability and have used that.
Your last line totally sums up what is wrong with the conservative attitude. They don't realise how fortunate they are but expect everyone else to do as they have but without the fortune combined with a complete lack of empathy.
They need to go and see what lives the people "they pay for" are leading and why it is not about having "financial discipline and responsibility"
All the Labour voters I know are workshy benefit spongers who steal from old ladies and kick puppies. All the Conservative voters I know are landed gentry who cynically exploit the peasantry. And all the LibDem voters I know are allergic to fish fingers.*
*Obviously, this is all utterly untrue**, but as anecdotal evidence goes, it carries as much weight as those above.
**Apart from the fish fingers bit.
Hate puppies, me
Only do fishfingers in a hangover sandwich
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@cranberry
You haven't met enough conservatives, or perhaps you've been wearing red tinted glasses when you have met them 😉
I thought I would be unwilling to vote labour in the Corbyn era but this puppy kicking policy seems very compelling.
Hang on, am I allowed to twirl my moustache and cackle whilst kicking the puppies ?
Vote Corbyn!
Corbyn for PM!
Conservatism can be boiled down to this question:
"I managed to succeed - why can't you?"
The conservative asks this as a rhetorical question, and does not expect an answer. The leftie asks it as a real question and listens to the answer.
Conservatism can be boiled down to this question:"I managed to succeed - why can't you?"
The conservative asks this as a rhetorical question, and does not expect an answer. The leftie asks it as a real question and listens to the answer.
If so, to be electorally successful the conservative must help as many people to be successful as possible to generate people who will vote for them. Whilst the leftie must ensure as many people are unsuccessful as possible to generate people who will vote for them.
There's been some pretty bad logic on here, but that has to take the biscuit.If so, to be electorally successful the conservative must help as many people to be successful as possible to generate people who will vote for them. Whilst the leftie must ensure as many people are unsuccessful as possible to generate people who will vote for them.
There's been some pretty bad logic on here, but that has to take the biscuit.
+1 Spectacular.
The Tories I know have generally done very well out of lucky inheritance
All of them ? Most Tories I know haven't inherited anything as their parents are still alive.
CFH 🙂 last page has to take the biscuit for sweeping generalisations
I think the press is getting a bit ahead of itself with Tories on 400 and Labour on 175 but it could end up there once the Tories start going at Corbyn
"There's been some pretty bad logic on here, but that has to take the biscuit."
Perhaps. What's the flaw?
Perhaps. What's the flaw?
Honesty. How very dare you ?
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If so, to be electorally successful the conservative must help as many people to be successful as possible to generate people who will vote for them.
Not really - you just have to convince people that you're giving them the opportunity to succeed, even if you're not. See USA.
You can be a compassionate conservative, and want everyone to succeed - that is true. And you can certainly create the conditions where pepole can prosper. But this is ultimately a centrist position, not a right wing one. This is also what centre lefties want, but they go about it a different way.
All of them ? Most Tories I know haven't inherited anything as their parents are still alive.
Grandparents? Great grandparents?
Not really - you just have to convince people that you're giving them the opportunity to succeed, even if you're not.
Ok, and the other half of my hypothesis following from your statement?
Whilst the leftie must ensure as many people are unsuccessful as possible to generate people who will vote for them.
Can you explain that away as well?
Whilst the leftie must ensure as many people are unsuccessful as possible to generate people who will vote for them.
eh?
Corbyns base seems to be the quinoa eating islington set!
Are you even serious!?
No wonder this thread is such a mess
eh? Corbyns base seems to be the quinoa eating islington set!
I'm not saying I agree with the statement my statement was based on. I started what I said with "if so".
Ok, and the other half of my hypothesis following from your statement?
Are you referring to the suggestion that Labour want to make people 'unsuccessful'?
If you want logic - it's patently absurd because if too many people are unsuccessful they will vote to change a government.
A successful labour government has to help those who aren't successful - help them to BE successful.
Are you trying to make a point here? If so, out with it.
Are you even serious!?
If someone points out the fault in the logic I'll decide if I think it's flawed or not.
If someone points out the fault in the logic I'll decide if I think it's flawed or not.
Labour performed strongly with good employment among working class people earning low but fair wages.
If the labour party can deliver jobs, growth and job rights/protections then people will support them. Make them miserable and they will vote for money shitting unicorns painted on the side of the bus (UKIP/LePen etc.)