Jeremy Corbyn

And that just shows how far to the Right politics has shifted since 1997, Cranbery

Binners - would the "ultra right wing" conservative party be the one that has just stolen a Miliband policy ?

"And that just shows how far to the Right politics has shifted since 1997, Cranbery"

Since 1997 both main parties seems to me to be fighting over the centre where the votes are.

Corbyn's walked away from the centre but the Tories are going to, and have plonked themselves in the centre ground.

Corbyn's walked away from the centre but the Tories are going to, and have plonked themselves in the centre ground.

Exactly. Millibands Labour took the old Liberal ground, Liberal edged towards conservatism...

And its laughable that Corbyn is described has "Hard Left"

Labour are about level with the Greens IMH, and Corbyn is espousing some our (Green Party)best policies

"The centre has moved a little then."

We're in danger of getting to the futile and impossible task of defining left and right.

Is Hitler the furthest right you can be and Stalin the furthest left? If so is May equidistant between them? Is Corbyn closer to Stalin than May?

Is desire to be in the EU left wing or right wing?

I think we just end up with Left/Right meaning nothing.

Hitler was more centrist if i recall...

We have a lot of new, younger members.
I've met a few and not one of them would recognise old school dogma if it bit them on their arses.

I see the obsession with the 'hard left' is till alive and kicking. I'm beginning to think that these silly predictions of a one party Tory state by the likes of Cohen and Toynbee are actually just their own secret fantasies. If they put a fraction of effort into promoting labour's policies as they do fantasising about communist plots things might be a bit different.

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outofbreath - Member

Corbyn's walked away from the centre but the Tories are going to, and have plonked themselves in the centre ground.

Yep, that's the myth. The idea that May's tories are centrist is just laughable.

The argument that parties should all be in the centre ground fighting for it does have strategic merit but there's an alternative. What you do is, you do what you want, and then you get your mates to tell everyone how you're in the centre. Sadly it seems to be more effective than actually being in the centre.

Or, hows about engaging the 34% of registered voters who felt so disenfranchised they didnt bother to vote?

I) You need twice as many of them compared with turning the swing opposition voters

Ii) the fact that they don't already vote is an indicator of how difficult they are to engage

Iii) in adopting policies that attracting one of them, you run the risk of stirring up greater motivation to vote in the opposition leaning non-voters (making it so you now need three times as many)

I'm looking forward to my extra holidays once Corbyns in power, I knew the guy would come up with the right policy.

I'm looking forward to my extra holidays once Corbyns in power,

Two of them are in March, another one in November. What use is that?

Couldn't he come up with another three in May, June and July?

Happy Keir Hardie day, perhaps, or George Orwell day...

More likely to be Hamas Day, etc

mt - Member
I'm looking forward to my extra holidays once Corbyns in power, I knew the guy would come up with the right policy.

I realise your post may be tongue in cheek, but has Corbyn said a four day increase in holiday entitlement to coincide with the four extra bank holidays, or just the latter? If just the latter then frankly some employees will just see a reduction in their number of free choice days...

I think we'll get Intifada Day on 8th December and 28th July Comrade Chavez Day, on the latter there will be a rumour that the local supermarket has a delivery of toilet paper, so there'll be a carnival atmosphere in the queue.

Ah, halcyon days

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(I actually used to have an unused roll of this, taken home from work, probably a collectors item now)

(I actually used to have an unused roll of this, taken home from work, probably a collectors item now)

There's probably 10 million rolls still at Longtown

you get your mates to tell everyone how you're in the centre

You're saying the fight for the centre ground over the last 20 years was all fake news? When did the media become a reliable reported of facts in your view? 2017 or earlier?

outofbreath - Member

You're saying the fight for the centre ground over the last 20 years was all fake news?

Nope, nor did I say anything you could realistically have misconstrued that way.

Corbyn's walked away from the centre but the Tories are going to, and have plonked themselves in the centre ground.

you do what you want, and then you get your mates to tell everyone how you're in the centre. Sadly it seems to be more effective than actually being in the centre.

You're saying the fight for the centre ground over the last 20 years was all fake news?

Obviously not.

Obviously! 😀

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You said "mates" are telling everyone the partys have been aiming for the centre ground the centre ground when really they're not.

If mates doesn't mean 'media', what does it mean?

What are you dribbling on about? Yes it meant media. And?

Haven't seen the Marr interview yet but it sounds like a total car crash. Never mind we're all getting a few more days off, less pesky work eh.

I thought the Corbyn holidays were the saints day so as to bring the UK and Ireland together in a common celebration of some sort (a piss up).

Labour are behind on all these issues, even on the NHS they are basically tied. Certainly in my view Labour would be a catastrophe for the NHS.

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Certainly in my view Labour would be a catastrophe for the NHS.

Labour would be a catastrophe for the NHS

Yes, clearly much safer in the hands of a tory government who would get rid of it tomorrow if they could get away with it.

4 new bank holidays is a ridiculous idea that smacks of spin doctors and a total misunderstanding of scottish politics.

We currently have the lowest number of public holidays in the G20 and in the EU.
Adding 4 takes us to the G20 average.
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Having said that - I can't say it was on my list of manifesto hopes.
But I guess it will generate headlines.

and a total misunderstanding of scottish politics.

Is he trying to shoot himself in the foot (ref: Trident)? Everyone knows he's against it yet the Labour Party voted they would be for it. So rather, when questioned, take a clear position he does the usual political BS of fudging an answer. However fudging an answer where you know the majority voters might not like the real answer is one thing but fudging something weeks before a general election that your party has committed to just gives everyone the impression they can't trust a word you say. Granted, trusting politicians is a fools game but trusting a politician who's own party don't trust him?!

Mikesmith - the point being it would appear on the surface a ploy to attract nationalists by making the patron saints day a public holiday

the problem for him is that I have not heard any clamouring for making St Andrews day a public holiday ie its not something seen as important up here and its the antics of labour in Scotland that have destroyed their vote up here and thats what is needed to be addressed - the "bain principle" and the continual outright lies from scottish labour

Fuzzy he is just incompetant. He well knows his stance is contrary to Labour Policy even with him as leader but he cannot help himself. He's spent his whole career voting against Labour Policy.

The wheels are coming off and the Tories haven't even started attacking him yet. He has self destructed on the Andrew Marr show.

If you ever agree with something Labour do or say I'll expect these fella's to come riding through town

Yes, I don't like to needlessly criticise but he hardly every gives any credit at all to other possibilities. Extracting an article from a paper that despises the fumes of a Labour government is hardly adding anything really.

We currently have the lowest number of public holidays in the G20 and in the EU.
Adding 4 takes us to the G20 average.

Workhouse UK.

It's insane how the working class have been convinced working more and having less is somehow a medal of honour.

Jeez, who doesn't want a better world?

He's spent his whole career voting against Labour Policy.

Haven't you heard? Politicians change their mind.

Which as a pretty strong anti-Tory individual I accept the PM can do a U-turn on the election promise.

Lowest number of national holidays, yet biggest productivity gap.....

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Not the only solution, better management, improve on UKs woeful training record and poor overall education etc.

Also a brilliant way unite the 4 parts of the UK when our current government seems absolutely intent on driving them further apart

Lowest number of national holidays, but isn't our standard holiday allowance quite good?

Most of us get 4/5 weeks plus the bank hols. In the states they get three weeks, don't they?

outofbreath - Member
Lowest number of national holidays, but isn't our standard holiday allowance quite good?

Compared to the USA, EVERYONES holiday allowance is good !