Jeremy Corbyn

Pigface earlier:

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It does if your selling Welsh Lamb as a premium product.

Premium product when only 60% of it meets market class?

Nipper I have posted numerous time short term Brexit is negative for me financially. Its a medium / long term game where I firmly believe we will be [b]much better off.[/b] You really need to get yoir head round how economically weak Europe is and the scale of catastrophe that is the euro. All the intrnational organisations and the EU wanted us to stay to help prop it up. No thanks,

Farmers as far as I am aware where very pro Brexit. Are we net exporters of lamb, I very much doubt it. Produce and sell for the UK market.

Cars we are a massive net buyer, we are Germany's third largest market globally. There will be a deal on cars. If there is not the Japanese have a very big vested interest in not p.ssing off such a valuable client market as the UK. Whilst pro EU like to tak about the size of the "single market" most of those people are quite poorly off. What is important is the richer countries, ie us.

Ha ha glad you caught my best side, now back to you not giving a toss X

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"political activity that is fun, engaging and child friendly"

Wonder if there's a uniform....

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How come these things never have a science or engineering section? I'm not anti art or music etc. but for the UK to thrive then science and engineering will need to be big drivers.

Why do I imagine the uncool mum in About a Boy being your typical single mum Corbyn / Momentum supporter?

Wonder if there's a uniform....

CFH outraged at lack of black brogues.

That Momentum Kids sounds a bit sinister - in particular the same arguments as faith schools apply - kids should be given a broad education in politics and then make their minds up when they are more mature, not be indoctrinated into something based on what their parents (and momentum) think are good ideas.

"political activity that is fun, engaging and child friendly"

Sounds a lot more fun than when I used to drag my kids on trades union marches against austerity. There's nothing wrong with indoctrinating your kids. From an early age I drummed into my kids two things, that everything was the fault of Margaret Thatcher, and the tories are evil. It's become a bit of a running joke now as whenever anything goes wrong my 12 year old asks if it was Margaret Thatcher's fault.

There's nothing wrong with indoctrinating your kids ... tories are evil

I am hoping that's tongue in cheek, however I do have a niggling worry. Hardly open, libertarian or tolerant is it ? Aside from CFH's poster we could show similar from Germany in 1930's, Gaza or Raqqa ?

Austerity = financial responsibility. To be part of the euro its a requirement to be fiscally responsible (rules cheated by Greece of course).

Here is a hint for Labour supporters, anti-austerity platform will only reinforce the public's belief Labour lack financial credibility

Panorama tonight.

[b]Kinder Politiks[/b] remember!

Excellent

You really need to get yoir head round how economically weak Europe is and the scale of catastrophe that is the euro.

UK and EU growth rates currently very similar. Last time I checked we were neither a memeber of the Euro nor did we/do we have any responsibility to provide financial support to the Euro zone.

Farmers as far as I am aware where very pro Brexit

Oddly not the case

Whilst pro EU like to tak about the size of the "single market" most of those people are quite poorly off.

Simply untrue

Re austerity, this has never been an actual policy not does it equate to financial responsibility. Indeed in the current balance sheet recession, it is actually quite the reverse. Austerity was a myth that was used successfully to calm markets when their prime focus was in debt sustainability. From a policy perspective, it was quietly abandoned and the UK has run a fiscal policy that have been expansionary in both absolute and relative terms. This is one reason why the UK recovered relatively quickly. The Coalition and the Tories did the opposite of what they were claiming. This was more by accident than design though, but we had a lucky escape from those who thought it was a bright idea for governments to run or attempt to run surprises when the household and NFC sectors were doing the same thing. That is folly that demonstrated a lack of understanding of the type of recession that we were (are?) in.

In terms of irresponsibility, how many times have the Tories and Labour run fiscal surpluses in the past thirty years - at correct and incorrect times, this doesn't matter for now?

God, this is awful.

God, this is awful.

He exists?

But true, munro and the coronation this weekend means it will probably get worse - that is what you meant isn't it? After all, no one posts on an "awful thread" just for the sake of it do they?

I'll be honest, I'd come in here after avoiding it for months, just to see if it was a well reasoned discussion on the merits and failings of Corbyn (fwiw I'm a scientist and very much pro-Corbyn). It turns out it's just what I expected, and why I was avoiding it, the same four uber-right wingers railing about Brexit with a smattering of indefatigable remainers who should know better getting het up and arguing in circles ad-infinitum.

It really is the worst of this forum.

And obviously everything will get worse with Theresa May in charge, I'm glad you agree.

It really is the worst of this forum.

People shouldn't do themselves down - its a bad habit.

Not sure about Theresa - wasn't a fan before, made a sensible start since, we shall see. But since they and others dont understand the nature of the current economic weakness, I doubt that she will find the correct answers. Hence the less we see/hear of politicians the better.

Except for the current comedy acts - they are great

@munro if you read back you'll see it was the "lefties" who changed the subject from Corbyn onto Brexit. Most of the "lefties" have given up trying to defend Corbyn and I think @binners got fed up being attacked by them.

@tmh look back at prior posts inc from WelshFarmer, folks I spoke to in Drunken Duck where very pro Leave and said that was the regional view amongst farmers. Obvious from looking around Hampshire farms. When the currency underpinning the EU blows up we need to be as far awy as possible. The EU is an expanding club of ever poorer members, an attempt to paper over the cracks (casums) of decades of economic mismanagement by simply adding more heads,

I am more than happy to change the subject

There's another thread for all of this!!

This is about Jezza and "F" knows what he thinks about the EU 😉

What as a scientist would Corbyn do for you?

When I look around some of the major employers of scientists would be shut or trimmed back e.g. defence, O&G, Nuclear, Pharma. And looking at how they like to interfere I'd expect the Research Councils to loose some of their independence also. But maybe you see something I don't.

Genuinely good article from the other Owen

https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/a-strategy-for-jeremy-corbyns-leadership-to-succeed-9ffe4c27149b#.a0obi1vq2

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What as a scientist would Corbyn do for you?

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Water is organic? Who knew.

Corbers can't even spell "conventional". There would be no science or engineering left under a government led by him.

Corbers can't even spell "conventional".

What a waste of a good grammar school education.

[Alternatively, a smart way to connect with youff culture on ****ter]

Theres probably a reason why Jezza doesn't talk about science much

he thinks his brother is right?

Corbyn has stated his belief that the anthropogenic contribution to global warming is minimal with any increase in temperature due to increased solar activity. In 2008 Corbyn went even further than being sceptical, and took an absolutist, certain position by stating, "... CO2 has never driven, does not drive and never will drive weather or climate. Global warming is over and it never was anything to do with CO2. CO2 is still rising but the world is now cooling and will continue to do so."

Which Corbyn do you think this Wiki quote relates too?

Are you guys going to all explode when he gets elected again? This thread may self-destruct 😀

(Not particularly a JC fan but it's very amusing watching people get all up-tight about someone they think is rubbish...reading between the lines it seems to me a bit like in the playground and being mean to the girl you fancy...I genuinely think the right wing anti-Corbynites on here fear him for potentially rocking their world.)

i genuinely think the right wing anti-Corbynites on here fear him for potentially rocking their world... :D)

The only thing that will implode if he wins again is the Labour party.

There's nothing wrong with indoctrinating your kids. From an early age I drummed into my kids two things, that everything was the fault of Margaret Thatcher, and the tories are evil. It's become a bit of a running joke now as whenever anything goes wrong my 12 year old asks if it was Margaret Thatcher's fault.

that's not really funny.

This is the sort of thing that engrains racism, bigotery and intolerance into people.

It's become a bit of a running joke now as whenever anything goes wrong my 12 year old asks if it was Margaret Thatcher's fault.

We can tho big and daft. the logic goes like this:

Thatcher moved the tory party to the right from centre right leaving the space for Blair to move the labour party from centre left to centre right.

This created a vacuum on the left where many labour party members want the labour party to be and when given the chance they elected a centre left leader - Corbyn. Note Corbyn is centre left not hard left.) But as the centre of gravity of English ( and I do mean english) politics had moved rightwards because of thatcher, Corbyn appears in comparison to recent leaders far left.

So two things are Thatchers fault - that Corbyn won the labour leadership and that a centre left moderate like Corbyn can be labelled hard left.

So once again its all Thatcher fault 😉

So once again its all Thatcher fault

As for indoctrination the world would be a better place if people taught their kids to think rather than to believe

that's not really funny.
This is the sort of thing that engrains racism, bigotery and intolerance into people.

You'll never guess the name of the evil witch in all the bedtime stories I tell the grand daughter.
🙂

You'll never guess the name of the evil witch in all the bedtime stories I tell the grand daughter.

Cherie Blair ?

Imagine the kids programmes!

all together now:

[i]I'm a Trot
Je suis une Trot
John Diane and Jeremy
We're the Trots on Trots TV
One two three
Boo!

I'm a Trot
Je suis une Trot
John Diane and Jeremy
We love our house, our secret house
Shhh, it's a secret
It's all right, they're not going to tell anyone
Lovely PLP
Our friend the PLP...[/i]

etc.

Nope, not Diane either.

But the evil, manipulative Grand Vizier is usually a Mandy.

Future irony.

Given that on matters of science and a shared belief in the medicinal qualities of water they are standing next to each other on the level playing field, if the Royal Cuff-fiddler ascends to the throne before Jezzamy is dumped, they'll get on like a couple of fakwerts in a sack.

Um

Corbyn's running on a platform of listening to people and experts. So I'd be surprised if election resulted in a crusade to force his own point of view on us. It'd be a nice change wouldn't it?

the logic

😯 or should that be 😀

centre left moderate like Corbyn

Who says this thread is boring and predictable ? Priceless

@eden we are looking forward to him being re-elected so the fun can continue.

[url= https://brightonbulletin.com/2016/08/27/sourthern-commuters-angry-at-show-off-corbyn-for-posing-in-the-kind-of-space-they-would-kill-their-nan-for/ ]More fallout for Corbyn following train stunt[/url]

I am hoping that's tongue in cheek, however I do have a niggling worry. Hardly open, libertarian or tolerant is it ?

Absolutely not. I'll have very little control over what my kids will think when they grow up, but right now I'm in a position of huge influence so I'm not about to waste the opportunity. You probably don't want to know some of the other stuff I've told them. 🙂

the same four uber-right wingers

it makes you wonder if they're maybe being paid to spout their childish and belligerent nonsense..

the amount of time they spend on here vehemently defending the indefendable..

swivel-eyed loons

if I had my way they'd be up against the wall

(disclaimer: I am simply one disgruntled anti-capitalist with no political affiliations and I do not in any way represent corbyn or momentum before the fantastic four start frothing)

if I had my way they'd be up against the wall

The Croydon Communist, just like his alter ego, has a list ready for the revolution 😉

Corbyn's running on a platform of listening to [s]people[/s][b] Seamus[/b] and [s]experts[/s] [b]John[/b]