Corbyn's running on a platform of listening to Seamus and John
Winchester and two grammar schools - ok Johnno left his at 17 - bloody elites are everywhere!!
you guys are just so mean
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I'm confused - are the right wingers supposed to be arguing in favour of keeping Corbyn (because he is electoral kryptonite, keeping the Labour Party out of power) or arguing in favour of dumping Corbyn (Because we are afraid that Corbyn is so popular that he will lead the LP to an election win) or are wa hoping that by replacing Corbyn with Owen the LP will split in two... or does that only happen if they keep Corbyn.
Can someone send me the latest memo along with my cheque from CCHQ please?
Jamba - corbyn is centre left by any rational analysis.
Name one hard left policy he espouses
Corbyn has hundreds of thousands of new members he can mobilise to counteract misinformation and get the message to the 4 million people who have stopped voting labour since 1997. Smith has some vague plan about appealing to conservative voters, but refuses to provide any details about how he is going to achieve that.
it's gonna be a landslide for corbyn and a landslide for labour..
Be gone thatcher's children for you are no longer welcome here amongst the British people.. your politics and attitudes are from a bygone era, your grotesque and indecorous jeering no longer holds any sway with the electorate
Now is the time for your grandparents to be proud and for them to cast off the shame that their tory descendants have heaped upon them
and a landslide for labour..
keep living the dream - probably needs the Tories to make a complete horlicks of Brexit, in which case we will all be living a nightmare
it's gonna be a landslide for corbyn and a landslide for labour..
It's true, polls have Corbyn well ahead. That's a poll of Labour voters offered the choice between May, Corbyn or 'don't know'. Corbyn is 10% clear of the other two options put together! May only gets a piffling 15% of Labour voters preferring her!
TJ. Naming actual policies is quite hard as he doesn't really have any.
Nationalisation
Anti-profit
Naming an avowed Marxist as Chancellor
Police should actually fire their weapons when confronted by Terrorists
Friend of IRA, Hamas & Hezbollah. A "tragedy" Bin Laden was killed
Espousing Kinder Gentler Politics and "I don't do abuse" whilst turning two very blind eyes to supporters doing exactly the opposite. Reminds me of Stalin.
landslide for Labour
Yunki the only landslide Labour are going to experience is being buried by one.
As I said a year ago I wish to see the hard left agenda removed from mainstream British politics and Corbyn and Momentum are very much on course to deliver that. If it takes a crushing GE defeat in 2020 so be it. I really thought Scottish elections would have been enough but finishing third to the Tories there wasn't enough to dislodge the dreamers.
you're a pretty funny guy Jambalaya 😆
Reminds me of Stalin.
That's the best yet 😆
Come on Jamba - you claim he is hard left - then show he is.
Nationalisation I assume yo mean the railways - actually what he said was when the franchises come to an end then let the public sector take them over - the policy of the Lib dems and the SNP. Hardly hard left. the hard left position would be to take them into public ownership now with no compensation to the franchisees
anti profit - I have no idea what you mean - source?
An avowded marxist as chancellor - really? Source please
Abuse of opponents does not mean you are of the hard left. Look at the abuse he recireves from the right and the abuse dished out by the right.
Now - can you please state a single thing he has actually espoused that is hard left.
You of course do know the Bin Laden "tragedy comment" is nothing like that. Its a tragedy he was not subject to the due process of law is what he said as by shooting him out of hand it creates all sorts of issues.
TJ, re the Marxist comment, from the man himself;
[url= http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/mcdonnells-marxism-makes-him-unfit-for-office ]Look, I’m straight, I’m honest with people: I’m a Marxist. [/url]
Momentum on CH4 Dispatches now.
But biased - already mentioning cuckoos. A disgrace.
So there we are. A Trojan Horse. Not the slightest chance of getting their organisation elected anywhere on it's own merits so they try and take over someone elses.
Hey ho. Ten more years of Conservatism, then.
Fairy snuff CFH. Mind you I agree with a lot of what Marx had to say - including his definitions which make you a member of the proletariat. (unless you own the paper clip company)
Quite an orgy of Corbyn-bashing on telly tonight - first Dispatches, now Panorama. By a strange coincidence both made by Neil Grant, disgruntled Labourite and supporter of Owen Smith. How odd !!
He is box office isn't he? Cleared Labours debt. keeping the Guardian afloat with all the Corbyn click bait articles. Panorama & Dispatches on 1 night, what next? Judge on X Factor? Presenting Bake-Off on CH4?
Corbyn's running on a platform of listening to people and experts
that's the 'persona' he is trying to fool the public with...
For the last 30 years?
Thats some play acting, Turnerguy
How special do you have to be to fail at the question: "what's your favourite biscuit?"
The conceited bugger actually answered: "I'm totally anti-sugar on health grounds, so eat very few biscuits, But if forced to accept one, it's always a pleasure to have a shortbread."
So, naaaaaaah - look how much better I am than all you who like biscuits. I am the surfmat of not enjoying biscuits!
I bet it would be a red-tory-blairite who was forcing poor, sweet Jeremy to have a biscuit.
Bastards.
I was on the fence about corbyn but now he has said that
That really is a desperate reason to have a go at someone. He answered a pointless biscuit question honestly. He did not have a go at anyone nor present it as a virtue. This place does make me laugh at just how partisan some posters can be
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Junkyard, it's not just this place - everyone does it.
"I'm totally anti-sugar on health grounds, so eat very few biscuits, But if forced to accept one, it's always a pleasure to have a shortbread."
he's probably fighting against the corporate behemoth that is AB Agri and their exploitation of....
or he just doesn't want a biscuit, to go with the tepid tea at yet another meeting
the real question should have been whether he dunks his shortbread or not!!!!!!
I dont think much of the PM but i am not going to have a go at her for a ****ing biscuit question answer
Its embarrassing tbh FFS we are adults with brains please use them and deconstruct his views/ attitudes/opinions rather than get annoyed about a ****ing biscuit question that had as innocuous answer as it was a question.
Its beyond puerile
Tea and biscuits is management food brothers - the workers have
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Well, he was pilloried on 5live when he admitted to not recognising Ant and Dec, so clearly along with Biscuitgate there are no depths to which the man will not sink
Well, he was pilloried on 5live when he admitted to not recognising Ant and Dec
that was at a [b]labour party[/b] leadership hustings event broadcast by 5live
the one where Owen Jones opened mouth and inserted foot and got pilloried for it
Yes it was. Your point being?
"Shortbread"?
He should have referred to the STW Cryptofascist Pie thread for the correct comradely teatime snack.
Shortbread
I assumed it was a secret signal.to the SNP.
People will start posting pictures of him dressed up at [s]University[/s] N L Poly next - we really will have reached at low point then.
"I'm totally anti-sugar on health grounds, so eat very few biscuits, But if forced to accept one, it's always a pleasure to have a shortbread."
Sounds like a right misery guts, the type of thing the weird socially inept person in the office might say. If he was religious you'd think he was some kind of Puritan!
Here is what he should have replied, "I don't often eat biscuits but when I do I like a shortbread". Answered the question truthfully and positively.
he conceited bugger actually answered: "I'm totally anti-sugar on health grounds, so eat very few biscuits, But if forced to accept one, it's always a pleasure to have a shortbread."
what if he'd been asked which was his favourite cigarette brand?
the same four uber-right wingersit makes you wonder if they're maybe being paid to spout their childish and belligerent nonsense..
the amount of time they spend on here vehemently defending the indefendable..
swivel-eyed loons
if I had my way they'd be up against the wall
@I wonder why @munro is depressed at the level of debate ? I appreciate Yunki this may have been posted in jest but I suspect you meant it.
There are no uber-right posters here and no one is defending the indefensible. Most of the discussion centres around existing and recent past government policy which is what the people of the UK voted for.
There's some pisstaking from the right, which I tune out on the basis life's too short. As a long term labour member and leftie by any measure I just want the madness/facebook takeover to end.
Never mind government -that's gone for a decade - what's the biggest issue for the UK for this generation at least? Brexit. What questions had Corb asked the PM about this? How is the govt being held to account? Meanwhile the Mail and the right drive for a hard exit. What's Lab policy?
Exactly John. We need a proper opposition. On Brexit Labour are in a dire state with JC calling for immediate Artcile 50 and Owen saying he would consider taking us back in.
On Brexit Labour are in a dire state with JC calling for immediate Artcile 50 and Owen saying he would consider taking us back in.
Both eminently more sensible than the current impasse/nonsense
The BS over delaying is indicative of the paucity in thinking behind Brexit. BS about BS.
what if he'd been asked which was his favourite cigarette brand?
capstan unfiltered obviously 🙄 🙂
As a long term labour member and leftie by any measure I just want the madness/facebook takeover to end.
And there is the crux of the problem. The labour party is regarded as an exclusive club by many old-timers and MPs. Whilst they talk about wanting to be more inclusive and building a broad support base, what they really mean is they just want member's money, and voters to vote them into power, with little interest in what they've actually got to say or what bothers them. Dismissing it as a 'facebook takeover' just demonstrates how completely out of touch many in the party are.
We need a proper opposition.
I keep hearing this from you and others, but no one explains what the hell it means outside of being on the telly and being a bit shouty at PMQs. Here's a simple question, what have labour MPs who oppose Corbyn done in the last year to demonstrate what a 'proper oppositon' means? From where I and many others are standing, all they've done is whine and moan like spoilt children, and in many cases directly acted against the interests of the party they claim to cherish. They expect everyone to accept their patronising twaddle of 'effective opposition', 'parliamentary socialism' etc when it's clear to pretty much everyone that what really bothers them is the simple fact they have lost control of the party.
Both eminently more sensible than the current impasse/nonsense
Really? It clear we are coming out, that's a definite. But why rush it? It's going to takes ages of negotiations anyway, so 6 months to me in the grand scheme of things seems neither here nor there.
Opposition includes work in committee to amend tax credits legislation, say. Something Owen Smith, for all his B team qualities successfully did.
I keep hearing this from you and others, but no one explains what the hell it means outside of being on the telly and being a bit shouty at PMQs.
Proper Critique of government policy and holding it to account when it drops the ball... We could do with another Robin Cook on this fiasco over us killing the ceasefire in Syria, then again half the Labour mps voted for airstrikes.
Yes both may be legitimate positions for Labour but it's further proof of how divided they are, much like Trident where party policy is to renew (not challenged by Corbyn at last years conference) but then he campaighs and votes against.
The BS over delaying is indicative of the paucity in thinking behind Brexit. BS about BS
I can see the logic behind waiting for French and German elections, Len Penn and AfD eurosceptic coalition. We could have a far right President in Austria, general election and a new Government there too. Personally I'd pull the plug now and get the F out ASAP. I can see how that would cause a meltdown in Europe and thus "consternation" from the US, IMF etc and of course a long line of EU leaders blaming us for their situation / incompetance.
There was no government planning for Brexit as Cameron and Osbourne only thought of winning. Irresponsibility resukting in them being kicked out. IMO Osbourne won't be back either.
On the contrary, we will witness various attempts to fudge the situation over the coming years - that's the definite with any aspect of the EU.
On the really question - we would beed to revert to the EU thread - but yes really.
And there is the crux of the problem. [s]Militant[/s]Momentum is regarded as an exclusive club by many voters and MPs. Whilst they talk about wanting to be more inclusive and building a broad support base, what they really mean is they just want member's money, and voters to vote them into power, with little interest in what they've actually got to say or what bothers them. Recognising them as 'cuckoos' demonstrates how in touch many in the country are.
FTFY
Yes both may be legitimate positions for Labour but it's further proof of how divided they are,
Slightly less than the Tories on this issue? At least Jezza didnt support remain unlike Dave and George.
There was no government planning for Brexit
And even less thought on the Brexit campaign side - roll on "independence day" we are not ready to go....