The Labour leader was dogged by accusations of antisemitism for much of the summer after The Times’s revelation that he had hosted an event comparing Israel to the Nazis.
Was that the event where a Jewish concentration camp survivor compared the actions of Israel to that of the Nazis. It must be really hard to silence the voice of a Jewish man, who survived the Nazi concentration camps, by screaming "anti Semite" in his face, apart from it isn't hard at all for the lying scumbags of the alt-right and their apologists.
In other non-news, he’s banging on about scrapping hospital parking charges again. Comments from many that places where no parking charges apply end up being used as commuter parking taking up space for patients and visitors.
Hospital parking in Scotland was made free by the SNP - apart from the 3 hospitals that Labour had built under PFI and which therefore have outstanding parking contracts that can't be cancelled.
The problem is that the Simon Wiesenthal Centre is right: Labour under Corbyn is sheltering raving anti-semites, and Corbyn won't do anything about it because he's so simplistic in his thinking. He's incapable of believing that an oppressed group (like Muslim women) might also have oppressive ideas (like "the Jews" will attack you if you support Palestine, as some people on this thread believe), so when they say something shitty, he doesn't recognise it as anti-semitism.
I used to think Corbyn is just woefully stupid and naive eg the PLO flower laying ceremony. Now it's clear that Corbyn is himself an anti-semite - the "they haven't lived here long enough to get our sense of humour" comments make that clear.
By completely failing to resist the Tories on austerity, Brexit and their billion pound giveaway to Prod extremists, Corbyn is a greater threat to the UK than JRM and the Tories are. How the sweet fuxking Jesus is Labour not demolishing the Tories in the polls?
The problem is that the Simon Wiesenthal Centre is right: Labour under Corbyn is sheltering raving anti-semites, and Corbyn won’t do anything about it because he’s so simplistic in his thinking.
Have these people been reported to the police? If they have not why have they not, people obviously know exactly who they are.
On the wreath laying, why do we not know so much about the Tory peer who was there too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbyn_wreath-laying_controversy
Have a read about who was also at the events that the likes of the mail have reported on, quite a lot of tories at times, still that never makes the headlines does it.
Wasn't one of his cheif Jewish establishment critics in the UK also one calling for some very extreme treatment of Palestinians during marches in Israel?
How the sweet fuxking Jesus is Labour not demolishing the Tories in the polls?
Because of the power of the right wing media to scare people that Carbyn is going to turn the UK into a communist state. They then use the friend of terrorist tag to help with the discrediting of him.
I think that as we can't get inside Corbyn's head we'll never know for sure if he's antisemitic. And there's always the alternative possibility based on observation of his performance in politics over half a century; he's naive, not very bright, xenophobic, an unrealistic idealist and easily duped. Which is perhaps why his core supporters feel empathy with him. 🙂
In Europe he seems incapable of relating to anyone who isn't from the far left. Whenever I see stuff about him in European news it's because he's been supporting/talking to some far left minority leader rather than the people in power. Melonchon in France, the hard left Germans, Greeks, Italians, Spanish... . Generally people who are also anti-EU. He doesn't want cooperation with other EU countries, just other fellow revolutionaries who also happen to be nationalistic and isolationist in their revolutionary plans.
I think that as we can’t get inside Tommy Robinson's head we’ll never know for sure if he’s racist.
FIFY
Nope Cranberry he does seem to publicly go for it....
https://newsthump.com/2018/08/14/jeremy-corbyn-laid-wreath-for-hans-gruber-outside-nakatomi-plaza/
Out of interest where did the news story you started with come from? Not seen it in any feeds I follow.
and not to go all JHJ
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/liam-fox-meets-philippine-president-rodrigo-duterte
Liam Fox’s declaration of “shared values” with Rodrigo Duterte, the Philippines leader whose war on drugs has killed 7,000 people, has prompted dismay about the government’s approach to human rights as it seeks post-Brexit trade deals.
Who is meeting who, and what list do you have to be on for it to be OK?
Have these people been reported to the police? If they have not why have they not, people obviously know exactly who they are.
Yes they have thanks to a leak and they are being investigated
Yes they have thanks to a leak and they are being investigated
But hang on everyone knew who they were and that they existed before that? How come not one of these people on here reported them?
Also if you have the list of events politicians should not attend please post it up.
But hang on everyone knew who they were and that they existed before that? How come not one of these people on here reported them?
I know a fair few anti semetics, along with a good smatering of racists, sexists ect,ect. But untill they express themselves in a manner that can be construed as criminal whats to report ? An assumption based on an accumulation of minor actions might be true, but hopefully isn't something the police should be interested in......yet.
We can't get inside Corbyn's head to discover if he's an anti-semite, so we'll just have to judge him by his words, actions and omissions.
"On the wreath laying, why do we not know so much about the Tory peer who was there too?"
Because he only went to the conference and not the wreath laying (as your source states), and because he's not the leader of the Opposition.
"Wasn’t one of his cheif Jewish establishment critics in the UK also one calling for some very extreme treatment of Palestinians during marches in Israel?"
Weird that you think Corbyn's failures can be excused by the greater sins of some Jewish person. It's that kind of whataboutery that the Labour Party's been using to win hearts and minds...
I really don't think it's as obvious that Corbyn is antisemitic as it's obvious Tommy Robinson (or whatever his real name is) is racist, Cranberry. Corbyn is neither consistent nor particularly credible as an antisemite, hence the media debate. I haven't seen anyone doubting Robinson's racist credentials.
I typed five words into Google to sum up the views of left-wing antisemites I've known (I've known right-wing anti-semites too sometimes with remarkably similar views). This article was the first result, it does a pretty good job of putting what I've observed into words without me having to use my own words:
Another thought, I was very much against the invasion of Iraq and believe that Tony Blair should be tried for war crimes. I hope that doesn't make me anti-protestant (because the British monarch, the Queen, is head of state, head of the Church of England and commander in chief of the British armed forces) or anti-catholic (because Blair is a catholic and his religious beliefs a strong source of motivaiton to him).
Blair only realised he was Catholic once he wasn't Prime Minister any more and he didn't have any further responsibility for management of the Church of England. In 2002, it was Blair who effectively chose Rowan Williams as the new Archbishop of Canterbury.
“Wasn’t one of his cheif Jewish establishment critics in the UK also one calling for some very extreme treatment of Palestinians during marches in Israel?”
Weird that you think Corbyn’s failures can be excused by the greater sins of some Jewish person. It’s that kind of whataboutery that the Labour Party’s been using to win hearts and minds…
No, but it is really interesting that the guy called on repeatedly to be outraged at something, appears to be a bit of a shitty person who has some fairly extreme views himself.
Blair only realised he was Catholic once he wasn’t Prime Minister any more and he didn’t have any further responsibility for management of the Church of England.
🤣🤣🤣
Nice one there....
"it is really interesting that the guy called on repeatedly to be outraged at something, appears to be a bit of a shitty person who has some fairly extreme views himself."
Incomprehensible.
Well one word answers, and still no actual antisemitism directly from Corbyn.
Because there is none. Some Labour party members will be antisemitic, some will be homophobic, some will be overly religious etc,. just as in any other party. Still, let's just focus on a Labour party issue to see what damage can be done (turns out very little as most people either didn't believe it or didn't really seem to care)
I just wrote out the reasons why he and his anti white liberalist extremist followers should be classed as a mental disorder and hung for treason etc but thought better of it. There's a chance there's a bunch of Communist Corbyn supporters on this forum that hate the English and it's heritage as much as he does 😀
hung for treason etc but thought better of it.
It's 'hanged'.
And 'its' heritage.
Clearly you don't have a great relationship with English either.
that hate the English and it’s heritage as much as he does
You may be right, I would guess that if I met you I would hate you based on the crap you have just written. Also not really bothered by heritage either.
I aint no communist (certainly a Socilaist) but i truly hate the flag waving (George Cross bollocks) white van man, fat lardy ****s that perpetuate such bollocks.
But then i am a Northumbria so i fundamentally have an historical fight with pretty much everyone.
England for the English... your welcome fat boys drink your stella and crack on.
And by the way most of these English "folks" dont have a clue how to spell heratige
Christ i cant find the words to extrapolate how much this "English" shite winds me up.
Anglo Saxon, Dane, Norman, Pict, Celt pick one and **** off.
Top 10 anti-semitic incidents of 2018
.. and a bonus link:
40% of British jews thinking of leaving if Labour win power
And by the way most of these English “folks” dont have a clue how to spell heratige
In that particular glass house...
Socilaist
your welcome
i am a Northumbria
😁
That link appears too be lacking in any actual antisemitism carried out by Corbyn.
The Irony being that cranberry himself joined the labour party just to voted for Corbyn & came on this very thread to brag about it.
Why would you vote for Corbyn to become leader of HM opposition, when it seems that you are so certain he is an antisemite ?
Top 10 anti-semitic incidents of 2018
Corbyn in at number 4 on a worldwide list can only be good news really. It just shows how few anti-Semitic incidents there must have been in 2018.
"That link appears too be lacking in any actual antisemitism carried out by Corbyn."
It's his failure to do anything about antisemitism that puts it into the top 10. Corbyn is unlikely to be throwing bricks through any synagogue windows, but he has made softsoaped and ignored antisemites inside the party he leads, frustrated efforts by others to address antisemites, made it clear he doesn't consider British Zionists to be really British, and been happy to speak at events with rabid anti-semites.
It's bizarre that so many Corbynistas are preoccupied with no-platforming even moderate rightists and gender traditionalists, but at the same time see absolutely nothing wrong with Corbyn sharing platforms with actual literal fascists.
Corbyn sharing platforms with actual literal fascists.
Actual prime ministers have been doing it for years but I've never seen it done as dumb as a top ten.
Who the hell decides something is more heinous than something else?
And that goes for all atrocities. And by that reckoning Corbyn shouldn't be in there. It's a political statement at best.
It’s his failure to do anything about antisemitism that puts it into the top 10
No, it is people with an agenda that puts him into the top 10.
It’s his failure to do anything about antisemitism that puts it into the top 10
So where's the list of politicians that support politically & militarily dictators that preside over regimes of torture, starve millions of civilians & have dissenting journalists dismembered whilst still alive ?
Indeed, I voted for Corbyn, to do to the labour party what they always try to do to the country - wreck it. Patience is a virtue.
I would _never_ have voted for him if had known in advance that so many race haters and apologists would have bobbed to the surface, like turds in a pan. But then again, maybe it is better that these things are out in the open, and people can see what sort of individuals they are dealing with.
Hope Not Hate has called Atzmon “an antisemite who has promoted the works of Holocaust deniers.” He blamed Grenfell Tower tragedy on “Jerusalemites” and has stood accused of Holocaust denial by human rights lawyer Adam Wagner. He has openly said “I despise the Jew in me and detest the Jew in you”.
That link appears too be lacking in any actual antisemitism carried out by Corbyn.
Of course, because when prodded, the best that shills like hopelesscase can come up with is guilt by (distant) association and just making stuff up.
Indeed, I voted for Corbyn, to do to the labour party what they always try to do to the country – wreck it. Patience is a virtue.
I would _never_ have voted for him if had known in advance that so many race haters and apologists would have bobbed to the surface,
Keep digging.....
The Corbynistas are quite chuffed to have so called Anti-Semitism to use as a distraction. It's will cost hardly any votes and it keeps other things out of the media:
This for instance:
Also Corbynomics/Trumpynomics is not going so well in the USA:
https://www.ft.com/content/c059d13b-e3d4-4fe2-85c9-d55bd6494fec
Late cycle stimulas isn't the Panacea Corbynistas tell us it is. Who'd have thunk it. Corbyn and Trump wrong, every other serious economist in the world right.
"Corbynomics/Trumpynomics"
LOL.
Corbynomics/Trumpynomics
Hard to see what Corbyn's economic plans have in common with Trump's $1tn tax giveaway for the rich?
Hard to see what Corbyn’s economic plans have in common with Trump’s $1tn tax giveaway for the rich?
Trump and Corbyn's economic plan is identical: Keynesian stimulus on steroids with the difficult bits forgotten about.
Grow the deficit betting that will stimulate growth thus err, shrinking the deficit.
Grow the deficit betting that will stimulate growth thus err, shrinking the deficit.
Is't the Corbyn plan to keep taxation on those that can afford it without punishing low earners and cutting services, while wildly reducing the level of government and cancelling everything except walls and big guns. In fact the deficit would increase by helping people and actually providing useful stuff.
Highlighting exactly how different the 2 philosophies are really, unless you want to try and boil them down to a tiny soundbite.
In fact the deficit would increase
That's what most People/Economists seem to think, but Corbynomics says otherwise. As I say, what happens to the USA deficit will give us some idea if you're right, or if Corbyn's right. I'm betting on you being right - our kids will be picking up the tab for our spending.
our kids will be picking up the tab for our spending
You see it as spending, I see it as enabling a fair society. All depends what you want and what you want others to have I suppose.
our kids will be picking up the tab for our spending
Triple Lock on Pensions anyone......
As I say, what happens to the USA deficit will give us some idea if you’re right, or if Corbyn’s right.
As I said.... Unless he plans to slash services, cut departments and give huge tax cuts to the well off it's not the same policy, the overall summary number might look similar but the overall direction could not be more different.
The Corbynistas are quite chuffed to have so called Anti-Semitism to use as a distraction. It’s will cost hardly any votes and it keeps other things out of the media:
This for instance:
I like how you support your hypothesis ("keeping things out of the media") by linking to a popular newspaper.
"As I say, what happens to the USA deficit will give us some idea if you’re right"
Absolute gibberish. Trump's tax cuts aren't stimulus.
https://www.ft.com/content/c059d13b-e3d4-4fe2-85c9-d55bd6494fec
Ok, I'll just leave these here, then.
Tax cuts aren’t stimulus.
That's debatable, but we don't need to have that debate because Trump's going crazy on Government spending too:
"massive stimulus from U.S. tax cuts and government spending"
How's "massive stimulus" working out for them?
How’s “massive stimulus” working out for them?
Really badly, as it's hugely random non purposed and certainly not planned at all
Now the fool wants to fight a general election. We have 78 days until leaving day and he wants to waste most of it fighting an election campaign. FFS
It takes 35 days from dissolution of parliament to get to Election Day (25 working days). I suspect that the EU will tell the new PM to jog on if they wish to re-negotiate/change part of the agreement.
Too little too late Mr Corbyn.
Too little too late Mr Corbyn.
I guess you missed the fairly clear hint in the following Q&A that if there was a new election that article 50 would have to be extended? Don't be distracted by the detail though, it might harm your argument.
I guess you missed the fairly clear hint in the following Q&A that if there was a new election that article 50 would have to be extended
From my understanding, we either leave in March, or revoke article 50. I am not aware of a mechanism to extend the negotiations without EU agreement. I have also seen nothing that makes me believe they would agree to an extension. Frankly they are sick to the back teeth of the absolute ****ing stupidity of British politics, extending the uncertainty is not in their interests.
Corbyn has well and truly outed himself as a pathetic opportunist. Starmer please.
Of course we can extend. The EU is famous for extending everything, kicking the can down the road is their area of expertise (wow, I am sounding like a brexiter!)
The A50 2 years is just an arbitrary number based on nothing as nobody has triggered A50 before.
Now the fool wants to fight a general election. We have 78 days until leaving day and he wants to waste most of it fighting an election campaign. FFS
It takes 35 days from dissolution of parliament to get to Election Day (25 working days). I suspect that the EU will tell the new PM to jog on if they wish to re-negotiate/change part of the agreement.
Too little too late Mr Corbyn.
I can't agree he's made any mistakes on the issue of Brexit, he's played it brilliantly from the very start. Every step of the way he's aided a hard Brexit whilst leaving the blame for it elsewhere. Pretty shrewd AFAIC.
I can't see how he'd have played it better from his perspective.
The last thing he'd want is to be in power taking responsibility for whatever happens.
Of course he wants a GE. Who doesn't want this scum out of power? GE, win it then assess which means extending a50 which of course the EU would do for a new government
For too many of you nothing Corbyn does will do
Should he really leave this shower of incompetent scum with a free ride to no deal? Or should he force them out?
I have also seen nothing that makes me believe they would agree to an extension.
I heard on R4 a few weeks back that they've suggested they'll agree an extension in order to facilitate a second referendum, but for no other reason.
Which makes sense, given their objectives here.
Of course he wants a GE. Who doesn’t want this scum out of power?
If there was a GE and he won then he would *be* the scum in power. He'd be to blame for whatever happens and each of the three options is deeply unpopular. That's exactly what he's trying to avoid.
...and I'd seriously question if the Government is "in power". They're 'in office', but power requires a majority.
For too many of you nothing Corbyn does will do
I'd take him stopping facilitating Brexit. That'd do for me. Failing that, just providing anything that you could actually refer to as opposition, while retaining a straight face
He's called for a general election? Again. Great! I'll call for a gold plated unicorn. We're both about as likely to get it.
The UK could request an extension but it would require 100% agreement from the 27. Some are already thinking "I wish the UK would just bugger off". There would also have to be the likely prospect that A50 would be cancelled, not the start of another two years of negotiations involving red unicorns - i.e. the 4 freedoms are acknowledged as indivisible at the outset.
I have also seen nothing that makes me believe they would agree to an extension.
I heard on R4 a few weeks back that they’ve suggested they’ll agree an extension in order to facilitate a second referendum, but for no other reason.
I heard on R4 yesterday (David Lidington?) that they would agree to a delay for a seismic shift in position; I don't think he was drawn on what that was (2nd Ref / People's Vote aside) but implication was a vote of no confidence / GE, or possibly even the existing Government going back and saying they want to start again from a different set of red lines (however implausible that seems at this stage, a week is a long time in politics particularly when your scrawny robotic neck is on the block and the headsman is sharpening his axe)
Should he really leave this shower of incompetent scum with a free ride to no deal? Or should he force them out?
He has done nothing to oppose a "no deal" it is his quest for a general election that is exactly facilitating that very outcome.
Yes I want the tories out, but the reality is brexit is more damaging than another 5 years of tory rule within the EU, especially for those labour are meant to represent.
so he's asking for a GE. What, does anyone reckon, are the chances of the Tories saying "Oh alright then..."?
Pointless diversion unless, with brilliant behind the scenes people skills and firm grip on strategy, he's done deals with Scot nats libdems, persuaded sinn Fein to take their seats to sort European crisis,pulled in a few wobbly Tories etc etc, to win a no confidence vote. As I say, what do you reckon?
Given that both Labour and Tories are divided on Brexit and both leaders are ruling out being part of THE Customs Union and are both against freedom of movement, would a GE deliver a noticeably different stance - one which would be enough for the EU27 to consider an A50 extension worthwhile?
The only difference in aproach between both front benches is the colour of the unicorns they're demanding. What Corbyn is asking from the EU is exactly the same cakist nonsense that David Davis swanned over to Brussels with 2 years ago. And he'll get exactly the same response. So he'd just end up coming back with exactly the same deal as Mays Deal but under a different name.
I'd like to think that the leader of HM Opposition would credit people with enough intelligence to be able to see this glaringly obvious fact, but apparently thats too much to hope for
The press conference at the end was crafty
Get asked 3 questions write them down then answer them. He cannot be put on the spot with a follow-up.
No one party wants an election for fear of winning it.
Gawd the nonsense posted on here about him
Of course he wants an election - so he can clean up this mess with something vaguely acceptable to the country and the party
But nothing he does will satisfy his critics. absolutly nothing. His positions on things are totally misrepresented and his motives turned on their heads
Get real folks - stop swallowing propaganda and actually think for yourselves or the "big lie" works as it seems to on many of you.
Ah yes... I forgot... everyone who doesn’t ‘get’ Jeremy is a gullible capitalist stooge and lackey of the military-industrial complex?
Missed a bit of the news today, thought he must have been hanging out with Chelsea fans for the thread to come back 😉
Wrong move for a GE, everything on a full on toys from the pram revolt on the entire thing then, after that is sorted he can have a go.
TJ - True or false?
TJ – you are actually aware that your messiah three-line-whipped his MP’s into voting against remaining in the customs union and the single market?!
Yeah but those are just actions, they don't matter, the worth of a man is measured in his platitudes.
I’d take him stopping facilitating Brexit. That’d do for me.
You don't seem to have got it into your noggin that not opposing Brexit is not necessarily a dereliction of his duty. I don't like Brexit any more than you do (and I suspect I will suffer from it more than you will) but it is, after all, the outcome of a democratic process.
I’d take him stopping facilitating Brexit.
You could equally argue that by ignoring the referendum result and campaigning to remain, even though the decision has been taken to leave, that he would be facilitating an unopposed tory brexit by effectively killing any chance of labour forming the next government.
The fact is, to repeat again, that Corbyn has very little power to stop brexit. If you want to have a go at people for facilitating brexit, it makes no sense to focus that rage on Corbyn. It's basically blaming the victim rather than the perpetrators. The only way this will be stopped is by a government who takes that decision. That can either be tory or labour, but they do actually have to be the government.
Corbyn has very little power to stop brexit.
If a Remainer had been leader of the Labour party there would be no Brexit. It was so tight, a 1pc swing would have done it.
If you want to have a go at people for facilitating brexit, it makes no sense to focus that rage on Corbyn. It’s basically blaming the victim rather than the perpetrators.
Corbyn, a lifelong brexiteer and constant vocal campaigner for Brexit is the *victim* of Brexit???
If a Remainer had been leader of the Labour party there would be no Brexit. It was so tight, a 1pc swing would have done it.
Brexit is not a party political issue, 1% more turnout would have helped, complacency on the part of remain was one of the biggest problems.
Corbyn, a lifelong brexiteer and constant vocal campaigner for Brexit is the *victim* of Brexit???
The PM is a remainer and EU supporter (well unless she just broke more human rights laws) whats your point? Like the PM he has 1 vote in the commons, his MP's are free to rebel of they want.
Everyone being nasty to JC is just jealous that he didn't give their mum flowers for her 70th earlier this week.
Like he did mine.
I do wish he'd back a second referendum rather than wishing for a GE though.
I think the point is that Labour are not campaigning for No Brexit.
They just say they want an election, then they will re-negotiate.
So it's Brexit with Labour too.
TBH, they are the worst opposition I have known in my 30+ years of interest. If they cannot be running away in the Polls against this shower of Tories, then they have no hope against anyone who is united and organised.
As it is, they may just about match the Tories if there was an election, which is a terrible result for Labour, as the Tories are so bad.
As has been commented on by many people on this thread, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess if the leader of the opposition had actually bothered to turn up for the referendum campaign instead of spending it on the allotment.
Still... the lifelong Brexiteer got what he wanted, so why worry that it’s going to lead to the people he’s meant to represent getting absolutely shafted
What do you Corbyn advisors think would have be gained if Corbyn had turned "enemy of the people" and gone full No Brexit. How would the position we are in today be any different? (given that we have a Tory government running it)
Corbyn is not an opportunist. I can't stand the old bigot, but you don't spend 40 years championing unpopular causes and pissing off your colleagues if you're an opportunist.
"Get real folks – stop swallowing propaganda and actually think for yourselves or the “big lie” works as it seems to on many of you."
Nice, TJ - everyone that disagrees with Corbyn and you is a dumb Nazi that's believed Jewish lies? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
"unless, with brilliant behind the scenes people skills and firm grip on strategy, he’s done deals with Scot nats libdems, persuaded sinn Fein to take their seats to sort European crisis..."
It's gonna take more than having Seamus Milne as an advisor to persuade Sinn Fein to take seats in Westminster to support a Brexiteer.