Jeremy Corbyn

I'll tell you what it says about you - that you are prepared to dig up any old bollocks in an attempt discredit Corbyn, although you yourself are allegedly "politically neutral"

Ill take that as "damn, pawned again" but the subsequent slalom was masterful. Congrats....

Remember past tense (didn't want to win) and present tense (may have a taste for it now but sadly ill-equipped) are two different things.

But I grant you, its an impressive amount of feeding the faithful especially when you cant a train on the seat to get there. I hope that I have his stamina at that age, or that I remember to book a ticket. Probably the latter

As Corbyn's leadership campaign rolled on his support reached unprecedented levels.

With whom? The people who put the final x in the box in 2020 (or before)?

Are they supposed to just sit around watching this obscene phenomenon in horror, rubbing the snake's belly so that they may be granted the pleasure of eating a morsel of it's shit?

I strongly reccommend therapy.

ernie_lynch - Member
Mr Woppit - Member
I thought Jeremy's attempt at scathing sarcasm ("Tax exile on holiday...") was particularly pathetic, even from him.
You didn't support something which Jeremy Corbyn said ? Really ?
Well if it happens again be sure to tell us .... won't you ?

No problem, old boy. Hope you keep it up telling us how much you like him...

I strongly recommend therapy.

I never had you pegged for a religious zealot woppit!!
Blessed are the shit-eaters.. you keep right on worshipping the yankee dollar and your gods of 'success' 😆

teamhurtmore - Member

But I grant you, its an impressive amount of feeding the faithful ...

What "feeding the faithful" ?

At the start of the leadership campaign there was no 'Corbyn faithful'. Corbyn was a rank outsider : 100-1 at William Hill and 200-1 at Ladbrokes.

All that changed as a result of his relentless campaigning. 100 rallies in a 100 days I believe. Corbyn ended up with the largest mandate of any Labour leader.

Have you really forgotten so soon THM ? It was only a year ago. Or are you deliberately "forgetting" to suit your own political agenda ?

No faithful?? Does that mean that all these new members are not "real people"? Does Binners know?

All those nice pictures that you post suggest that there are plenty of faithful. The ones next to Diane and her mike. It was only a wee whole ago. Or are you deliberately "forgetting"?

Oh dear, yunki. Hardly a rational argument.

Have you been without sleep for a very long time?

teamhurtmore - Member

No faithful?? Does that mean that all these new members are not "real people"? Does Binners know?

It means that Corbyn had no known supporters at the start of his leadership campaign, that is why he was a rank outsider.

Obviously you know that but you want to play the Tory halfwit. Something which you play very well btw.
In fact you play it a bit too convincingly well.

It's almost as if you are indeed a Tory halfwit 🙂

It means that Corbyn had no known supporters at the start of his leadership campaign, that is why he was a rank outsider.

Obviously you know that

Obviously, even a halfwit would know that. The tricky bit is what relevance, if any, this has to any of the debate.

Ernie, you are not on your useful form. Is this all getting stressful?

PURGE THE UNBELIEVER! PURGE HIM!
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(Waits for the inevitable sneeringly superior, and oddly humourless response.)

@ctk, hi been away from the computer. Unless someone has developed some sort of Trotskiest spambot that account is maintained by a real person, no ? One who repeatedly threatens others with physcial violence including "round their house". He is absolutely the sort of individual who would inflict abuse on others he felt to be Zionists, you know like G4S security staff. He's also big on conspriacy theories of the sort that has Mossad responsible for 9/11 or numerous other Jihadi terrorist attacks.

Its a troll account J. Deliberately provocative. I can't believe you thought of a Trotskiest spambot before a troll account.

My view ctk is its a really nasty individual, perhaps hiding behind a pseudonym but a real person, dishing out poisonous abuse and prejudice and sharing their genuinely held beliefs. @gentlerpolitics has page after page of the same stuff from numerous posters. I've watched numerous videos of people dishing out similar abuse.

The Brighton & Hove piece is interesting and sadly so familiar.

TMH this session of Parliament is going to be a disaster from a Labour perspective, their front bench team is so weak they are going to offer nothing in opposition and the SNP will IMO once more press to be recognised as the offical opposition if not just further embarrass them.

Don't get me wrong, I admire the drive of someone that slaves their guts out half their life to accrue vast wealth (and well done you woppit for admiring his efforts) but isn't collecting money as mental as collecting cats, or matchboxes or bottles of your own urine in the back bedroom?

I don't think Branson has a reputation for slaving his guts out. He's a true entrepreneur and innovative thinker, IMO he is not motivated by making money as an end in itself. He is not collecting it or keeping it anywhere other than in ownership of businesses or other assets like property which he gets a utility out of and a lot of which he rents out when he's not around. Anyway in comparison for example to the Zuckerberg's or Gate's of this world he's a part time amateur.

It's not surprising that Corbers has complete contempt for Branson or anyone else who has started a business - despite spending his whole adult life as a professional protester he's got £600k in property, earns £137k a year and has a pension pot already worth £1.6m

Hilariously Corbers doesn't consider himself wealthy though which will come as news to all of the "rich" people who earn less than he does.

Good point well made just5minutes.

Man of the people Richard Branson's modest home :

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Out of touch Jeremy Corbyn's palatial extravaganza :

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Well done for pointing it out.

And using the word "hilariously".

perfect example of equality of opportunity rather than equality of outcome

Two middle class prep school boys with poor exam results, one became a self made billionaire, the other an old man steptoe tribute act.

Oh, I see now. Everybody should own exactly the same amount of spending credits and live lives that are exactly same as each other because somebody having more than someone else is just so unfair...

Out for beers last night with a pal who has historically voted Labour all his life. Loved his assessment of JC... "an unelectable horror show"...

Loved

why?

[quote=Mr Woppit ]Oh, I see now. Everybody should own exactly the same amount of spending credits and live lives that are exactly same as each other because somebody having more than someone else is just so unfair...

I dont know about your moral compass , though i do know you can make up risible straw men when folk suggest wealth should be a little more fairly distributed.
What exactly is it about greater fairness that so angers you and so early in the weekend?

Fairness? Is it "fair" that ingenuity, talent, skill and business acumen should go unrewarded?

Why exactly doesn't Branson deserve to own his own island? He sold records through a magazine FFS, he took hugely risky business decisions that paid off, nobody handed him that success.

Ernie, I thought you were against people posting stuff that might harm Labour's chances and you then post that photo. All it needs is a caption, would you vote for this guy to run a government? Saatchi would be proud of your efforts to discredit poor old Jezza. Some comradeship????

Meanwhile back in the real world - remember 5 September we need to have some semblance of a shadow/mirage cabinet. The Westminster fun and games restart, "ready or not...."

And that's when the amusing car crash stops being amusing - an opposition party which is too busy opposing itself to actually challenge the government is worse than useless.

It depends on how you think wealth should be more fairly distributed and how you do it whilst encouraging the wealth creators to keep creating (and recognising the need for entrepreneurs)rather than upping sticks and going somewhere else - is it to fund genuine equality of opportunity (health, education etc.) or is it just based on envy - the Branson bashers seem to fall in to the latter camp.

Indeed Ben, but at least Angus will be there flying the saltire and providing some opposition.

All it needs is a caption,

BBC deny that Jeremy Corbyns house to be featured in new series of 'life of grime'

or is it just based on envy - the Branson bashers seem to fall in to the latter camp.

Its really hard to do a credible insult to someone who just argued for greater fairness. It even harder to do a credible argument to refute it

Now if you want to explain why greater fairness is a bad thing I am prepared to hear your argument. What is it exactly that is so bad about fairness... dont we all teach our kids to share fairly?

Would it be unfair to take away something that a person had worked very hard for and risked everything for?
There is talk of unfairness or inequality in wealth but where is the line, should it be on the number of bikes in the garage?
How many people does Virgin employ? They all take home money and pay tax. Without people like Branson we would all be worse off.

should it be on the number of bikes in the garage?

And there's the rub.

"He's got two bikes, I haven't got a bike, that's [b]so[/b] unfair!"

Its really hard to do a credible insult to someone who just argued for greater fairness. It even harder to do a credible argument to refute it

It's a bit hard to be lectured about fairness and equality from someone with a £1,500,000+ pension pot funded by the taxpayer.

fairness? Is it "fair" that ingenuity, talent, skill and business acumen should go unrewarded?

Is it fair that folk who devote their time and energies into caring for the sick and elderly, people who spend their time attempting to raise the next generation to have a greater sense of morality, people who devote their time to ensuring that we stay safe, people that find ways to encourage society to be less destructive, people that do the dirty, boring jobs, people that sell us our food, people who enrich the fabric of society rather than lining their own pockets should have less than the people who decided to devote their lives collecting as many easter eggs for themselves as they possibly can??

well done to the folk who create wealth, but that job is not in any way more worthy than any other job.. listen to yourselves 😆

And don't try to turn this into Corbyn vs Branson, or 'I won't listen to someone who has more than me' that sort of childish argument only demeans your whole argument

politics of envy my hairy arse

Some good stuff here this morning 🙂

Two middle class prep school boys with poor exam results, one became a self made billionaire, the other an old man steptoe tribute act.

Its all aboit equality of opportunity. When we raise our kids we try and bring them up "correctoy" and this includes teaching life lessons about value of education and work. Life is a lottery as if you are born into a family that valies those things less you are starting life in the second or third row. If you take a decsion to focus on quality of life, having great trails on your doorstep and being home by 6 to see the kids you need to accept that someone who throws themselves into work (inc focusing on career progression) and lives somewhere like London is probably 30-40 years later going to be in a very different position financially. Throw into the mix the continued irbanisation, move to services from manufacturing and a growing ageing population and bingo you create significant wealth inequality and regional variations.

Of course JC is not rich, when you are talking about income inequality and wealth redistribution its always someone else who is rich, never you. It's like the 1%, the 99ers never consider that on a global basis quite a lot of them are the 1%.

Ernie you know RB rents out Necker when he is not there, sort of the ultimate AirB&B. Also why on earth would you live in a country with a 47% top tax rate (or in his case closer to 60+% as he owns the business so pays the employers taxes too) when you don't have to and the alternative is the Carribean ? He runs an airline, he can live anywhere.

@yunki - they have a choice. Caring for people is always going to pay less than a commercially orientated job like say IT support and development, not least as the downward pressire of wages of carers is significant as there are many millions who are capable of that work. I has no issue with carers making £50k a year or nurses a £100k. Just show me how you make the numbers work.

Worthy and pay are not related, one is a subjective judgement the other is commercial.

Yes, it's entirely fair

Because [b]they too[/b] could have decided to stick an advert in a student magazine selling records, but they chose to do something else instead.

equality of opportunity is fair enough to an extent, but a passion for collecting money for fun is not something that we should ever applaud or encourage...

hero worshipping people that chose to make themselves extremely wealthy is messed up..
because those people chose to take all of the money for themselves leaving less for everyone else.. there's only a finite amount of the stuff, so if most of it is stashed away it stands to reason that we all have to make do with less as direct result of that

Ernie you know RB rents out Necker when he is not there, sort of the ultimate AirB&B. Also why on earth would you live in a country with a 47% top tax rate (or in his case closer to 60+% as he owns the business so pays the employers taxes too) when you don't have to and the alternative is the Carribean ? He runs an airline, he can live anywhere.

Shush Jamba, the Laffer curve is a neoliberal myth remember.

equality of opportunity is fair enough to an extent, but a passion for collecting money for fun is not something that we should ever applaud or encourage

What are we allowed to collect then? Bikes? Islands? Manhole covers?

The thing is there's no big thinking around politics or what the state is for. You could justify taxing the likes of Branson on the basis that their undoubted talent is unearned - see Rawls on 'brute luck' but how you get that over who knows but in practical terms they can still just hoof it off and take their business with them.

Bit of a quote about Rawls:

John Rawls' work explains why the concept of luck has had a central place in discussions of justice over the last 30 years. In an immensely influential section of his A Theory of Justice he introduced the metaphors of the social and natural lotteries (for a brief overview over Rawls' appeal to luck and the legacy of this appeal, see Knight and Stemplowska 2011, 2-9). The underlying idea is that every person's starting point in society is the outcome of a social lottery (the political, social, and economic circumstances into which each person is born) and a natural lottery (the biological potentials each person is born with). Rawls says that the outcome of each of person's social and natural lottery is, like the outcomes of ordinary lotteries, a matter of good or bad “fortune” or “luck” (Rawls 1971, 74, 75). Hence, since one cannot possibly merit, or deserve, an outcome of this kind, people's starting positions cannot be justified by appeal to merit or desert (Rawls 1971, 7, 104). It can be seen, then, that Rawls' social and natural lotteries provide negative support of his theory of justice. They undermine alternative theories in which distributions of social and economic benefits deviating from that prescribed by the difference principle are tolerated (Nozick 1974, 216; Arneson 2001, 76). They also underpin Rawls' claim that a system of natural liberty—one in which formal equality of opportunity obtains in that “all have at least the same legal rights to all advantaged social positions” (Rawls 1971, 72) and applicants are assessed on their merits alone—is unjust because “it permits distributive shares to be improperly influenced by” the outcomes of the social and natural lottery.

^^^ Yunki I have worked with and for some people who have made very large amounts of money. I don't think any of them collect money for fun. They tend to be motivated by success, ie being the best, seeing a new peoduct idea come to fruition. The competitive spirit of being on the "winning side" of any deal. That is generally financially rewarded and that of course allows them to buy a lifestyle. However its not a love of money which drives them.

bollocks... power, wealth, success... why should those things be inextricably linked?

What are we allowed to collect then?

how about respect? love? integrity?

I don't know when wealth crosses the line from comfort to obscenity, but surely the answer is to try to work the problem out, instead of exploiting the situation for personal gain?
You people that defend it annoy the hell out of me because you've given up on humanity

I do get the impression Branson spends a lot of his cash.

MPs pensions- I believe D.C can now claim his ex PM pension on top of his MP wages. £80k extra a year?

ctk - yes I think he can but I think he has already said he will not.

Yunki if you don't mind me saying that's very polarised thinking. I think Branson for example has as much respect, love and integrity as anyone. To imply (which I think you ars doing) that those with welath have less of the positive qualities you mentioned or that they are more motivated by money than softer issues is quite wrong

but why should the unholy alliance of power, wealth and 'success' be so solidly bound together?
it's a fundamental flaw and the [i]only[/i] thing that perpetuates it is greed

how about respect? love? integrity?

history appears to tell us that Branson has collected more of that along the way that Corbyn too!

but why should the unholy alliance of power, wealth and 'success' be so solidly bound together?
it's a fundamental flaw and the only thing that perpetuates it is greed

Money and power allows you to do great things - Who do you think has done more for South Africa? Some beardy **** wearing a placard, or some beardy **** setting up a business entrepreneur school, and fighting AIDS through healthcare projects

http://bransoncentre.co.za/south-africa/

waaah... branson vs corbyn?

what are you even talking about?
we might as well argue shoes vs spiders!

well done branson, thanks mate have an island... your facile argument would carry more weight if we were discussing one of world's less benevolent billionaires

stop allowing people to collect money for fun, stop rewarding their achievments with obscene amounts of money

Yeah, Corbyn just wants an Ireland