Jeremy Corbyn

To some extent I have kept my counsel, in respect to this thread and ignored personal digs from individuals "must have taken too many hits around the head on the picket line" etc. So here goes...I can't take you "slogan" driven lefties with any serious intent - to be frank Boys (and that is what you are) you do not have the right to even shit in the shadow of the people I stood on picket lines with.. they would have laughed at you and told you to **** off. Can't see this surviving the moderators but heh ho that's a forum for you

you do not have the right to even shit in the shadow of the people I stood on picket lines with.

Cool slogan, bro.

For you maybe...

And I am not your brother comrade

Oh. You're being serious. Well, that's no fun, is it?

I wasn't, by the way. Comrade.

Well there you go.. irony intact

Corbyn's refused to take part in a Channel 4 hosted debate with Smith:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/30/corbyn-accused-of-bottling-hustings-with-smith-after-rejecting-debate

Greybeard if I may differ, I think Corbyn has principals and slogans, he doesn't have any policies (or certainly not many).

@oldman excuse the question, are you for or against Corbyn as leader ?

@CaptJohn standard practice for the incumbent to dodge a debate, they are only really of benefit to challengers

Corbyn's refused to take part in a Channel 4 hosted debate with Smith:

Quite right The incumbent has nothing to gain from a debate and everything to lose.

Not that JC could lose a leadership battle where tens of thousands have joined the party specifically to vote for him.

Greybeard if I may differ, I think Corbyn has principals and slogans, he doesn't have any policies (or certainly not many).

Jamba against Corbyn as leader (although I agree with his principles he is just slogans not policy) at the moment we need an effective opposition and he is devicsive in respect to the working poor and the middle ground.

In an ideal world, this thread would be more like this:
https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/questions-all-jeremy-corbyn-supporters-need-to-answer-b3e82ace7ed3#.2lukx142i

CaptJon - Member

Corbyn's refused to take part in a Channel 4 hosted debate with Smith

It'd be a shit debate tbh, considering Smith's pitch for leadership literally every debate point would be Corbyn saying what he thinks, then Smith saying "I totally agree with that, and I am not Jeremy Corbyn"

The tory party leadership TV debates were riveting though eh.

As jamby notes leaders - or those ahead in the polls- never want to debate as they have nothing to gain from the debate and only have something to lose.

Personally I think they should be made to do husting in this and the GE but until this is the case leaders/those in front will continue to duck them whatever their political leaning

In an ideal world, this thread would be more like this:

That ideal world was on the previous page! 😉

In an ideal world, this thread would be more like this:
https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/questions-all-jeremy-corbyn-supporters-need-to-answer-b3e82ace7ed3#.2lukx142i

I think many (most) of those points have been brought up in this thread, he's just saying how things are.

I think many (most) of those points have been brought up in this thread, he's just saying how things are.

I read this morning, that Jon O'Donnell wants to nationalise the banks.

I think we should stock up on toilet rolls, just in case there's anything left to eat...

I read this morning, that Jon O'Donnell wants to nationalise the banks.

No. You're getting confused with just giving them an unfeasibly vast amount of our money, and asking them nicely if they'd mind not paying it all to themselves in massive bonuses, then going on to bankrupt the economy.

Its a subtle, barely perceptible difference, admittedly 😉

If I may say so a not uncommon long term Labour & unite union member, self prpclaimed anti-Israel and anti-Zionist use of "final solution" phrase for Blair, thinks Mossad are behind the murder of the Catholic Priest nr Rouen (false flag). Of course a big Corbynista - from @gentlerpolitics

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Fake account J. Not saying M15 but it is fake.

I wonder if i can find a RW racist on twitter
Makes you think

WTF is the point of that post Jamby?
Yes some folk are nutters on both sides of the political spectrum. No one is disputing this.

Its not even DM level of shitty slurs this 🙄
Stop debasing yourself and us with this tripe
its indicative only of the way you scour the internet to find something that fits your bias.

It's telling that in the current aggressive partisan atmosphere that it seems really strange to read something that just tries to understand:

http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/08/explaining-love-jeremy-corbyn

[url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/02/thangam-debbonaire-had-jeremy-corbyn-rung ]From today Guardian; political competence, Corbyn style[/url]

"It's telling that in the current aggressive partisan atmosphere that it seems really strange to read something that just tries to understand:"

Excellent article but it's more accurate to say it 'just tries to understand, and then it totally debunks all of the reasons given'.

to be frank Boys (and that is what you are) you do not have the right to even shit in the shadow of the people I stood on picket lines with

I spose historically, left wing ideas have been beset on all sides by infighting from factions claiming they are more left and all that jazz...

I've had it harder than you... My nan ate coal and shat diamonds, my ol' man topped hisself when the tin mines closed, I sold my sister to an arab for a packet o' bines and a knee trembler up a back alley in Willington

Yaaaaaawn

So, as I've asked before... with Corbyn being such a disappointment, what's a brave young voter to do? (and please don't give me all that self congratulatory grass roots nonsense again, I'm well aware of YOUR achievements now, thanks)

My nan ate coal and shat diamonds, my ol' man topped hisself when the tin mines closed, I sold my sister to an arab for a packet o' bines and a knee trembler up a back alley in Willington

Luxury.

Of course, we 'ad it tough....

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/04/corbyn-to-pledge-500bn-of-spending-in-leadership-speech

Jeremy Corbyn will set out a 10-point vision for the future of Britain, promising full employment throughout the UK’s regions and nations brought about in part by £500bn of public spending.

Ah. The good old Magic Money Tree again. They never learn.

When a left-winger says "investment" what they mean is "throwing borrowed money down a gaping bottomless hole and watching the country go bankrupt".

Like I said... bring your own toilet rolls..

Ah. The good old Magic Money Tree again. They never learn.

You do make me giggle Yunki I will give you that

It does seem that in todays surreal world Jezza is on the same page as the governor of the bank of England.

Can someone please wake me up when all this is over

Nowt as easy to spend as other people's money...

You do make me giggle Yunki I will give you that

well... That's summink we can all be grateful for innit! 😀

If we can't laugh at the futility of it all then we're doomed

a small reminder for followers of mr blair

https://sciscomedia.co.uk/can-keep-new-labour-luke-akehurst/

A reminder of what?

That 6th formers with access to the interweb can post rambling, pointless nonsensical drivel on websites that nobody will ever read?

Sadly Yunki I am too well padded in every sense sense of the word to be doomed, my body will give out before my wealth then the kids will blow it on living above their means

Owen Smith comes across well in this imo.

Debate was quite good too. Owen Smith came across very well but I can't help but think his policy ideas wouldn't appeal to centrist floating voters any more then Corbyns. Especially when fiscal looseness is (possibly) going to become a mainstream technique in the next year or so as monetary stimulus has gone nearly as far as it can go.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/zJpRK10e6uI

I think in the debates and tv appearances it's too easy to dismiss everything as copying Corbyn or platitudes to the membership, but in the longer form of that 1hour interview you can tell that he actually holds those views - I just can't believe he's clever enough to have made up all those angles to support it.

I can't help but think his policy ideas wouldn't appeal to centrist floating voters any more then Corbyns

I think in the debates and tv appearances it's too easy to dismiss everything as copying Corbyn or platitudes to the membership, but in the longer form of that 1hour interview you can tell that he actually holds those views - I just can't believe he's clever enough to have made up all those angles to support it.

To be fair the debate was 1hr40, but I take your point. Personally, I'd rather they wrote out their policy in detail rather than speaking it verbally.

I think floating voters like their leaders to be of a certain 'type' and Brown/Milliband/Kinnock/Foot didn't fit that mould. Corbyn definitely doesn't. I'm not sure Owen Smith does either.

Yeah, maybe. Personally I like the 'style' of Owen so I think he does conform to the certain 'type'. But it's really hard to get past the "borrow and spend while pushing the wealthy and their cash abroad" message.

Effectiveness at cutting through the spin will be key.

That would be nice, but the reality is that spin & soundbite is the bit of the message that gets through to floating voters/non-voters. Detail is the boring stuff they don't listen to.

That would be nice, but the reality is that spin & soundbite is the bit of the message that gets through to floating voters/non-voters. Detail is the boring stuff they don't listen to.

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Vote leave!!

Right... we voted to leave. What about this £350 million a week ?

What £350 million a week? I don't recall mentioning anything about that.....

Effectiveness at cutting through the spin will be key.

Probably best not vote for the former PR wonk for big pharma, then.

Just wondered about something....

See if Corbyn is unelectable, an anachronism, why does the right-wing press spend so much time attacking him? Whats the value to them in doing this?

Surely if your natural inclination is towards the Conservatives, then you'll really want Labour to fail? If so, if you really thought he was a busted flush, you'd leave him be and let Labour hang themselves?

It just seems an odd tactic to adopt.

Thoughts?