"@gentlerpolitics is worth a read on Twitter."Jesus.
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Random example from someone I've never met and for all I know don't agree with on a lot of things
https://mobile.twitter.com/MichelleBeckett/status/754597837028126721
It seems that the twitter trolls are focusing their efforts as others are seemingly nearly untouched for example Dan Jarvis MP
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/31/conservative-activist-elliott-johnson-killed-himself-coroner-rules#img-1 ]Those lovely Tories[/url]
@yunki there are no working mines in Northern France either. With all the environmental pressures added tothe other factors coal is very much yesterdays news. As I have posted before I remember the power cuts in the 1970's and certainly my lifetime Labour voting parents (Dad worked on blast furnace control systems initially btw) weren't sad to see the back of Scargill. Pretty much no Air France flights this weekend due to a strike, petrol and diesel ran out a few minths ago during a strike blockade of the refineries, ultra lefties setting fire to police cars etc etc. Unions are still prevelent here in France and we in the UK are in a mich better place.
How is Paris then Jambbers?
Bedroom tax seems like bullying to me.
Trolling on the internet by who knows who is all a bit meh.
When it comes to actual bullying, there's no-one does it better than the tories. The miners strike, Wapping, Criminal Justice Bill etc, all examples of the government using the police as paid thugs to create disorder.
Here here.
Unions are still prevelent here in France and we in the UK are in a mich better place.
That's dependent on your vantage point.
You could just argue power from the industrial sector has been transferred to the financial sector which has a much greater stranglehold of the country. Just so happens they will get their way through corporatism.
yunki - Member
oob-explain
the men that killed david wilkie were watching their communities crumble
Oh well, that's OK then
yunki - Membermeh
you're a tit.. what can I do about that?
Says the left breast to the right. Did the taxi driver get if for being a class traitor?
and we in the UK are in a mich better place.
...but...but...you're not in the UK?
[url= http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_579a3cd7e4b06d7c426edff0 ] article about BBC bias against JC [/url]
Guilty on the pejorative language - no excuse for that.
Seems a bit harsh to say the BBC are not giving him equal airtime since they can't get him to go on most of their shows.
I'd love to hear him on the Today show. I'd love him to write a detailed article setting out his policy in any newspaper of his choice - I'm sure it would get published.
"Did the taxi driver get if for being a class traitor?"
That's the bit I don't get. He was a taxi driver driving Miners. Are some miners a different class to others? Are taxi drivers a significantly different class to Miners? The whole 'class' justification is nonsense.
Seems a bit harsh to say the BBC are not giving him equal airtime since they can't get him to go on most of their shows.
It's a comparison between those backing him and those critical of him.
Oh god... I made fun of Corbyn/Momentum's crowd panoramas on twitter and instantly gain a few anti-Corbyn followers 🙁
Maybe I should explain that I'm allowed to make fun of something without automatically being on their 'side'.
It's a comparison between those backing him and those critical of him.
Like global warming though, innit? BBC shouldn't try and create some form of artificial 50:50 'balance' in the debate where where the evidence and established opinion is overwhelming.
Hahahahah, nope, no problem with the hard left
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Erm, but aren't they their own party? Surely only Labour members get a say, not those of other parties.
God damn those hard lefties discussing what the STW righties have
spent weeks discussing often in a vacuum with no one of the left present
FFS so desperate to score cheap points you forget to make sense or have principles- oh sorry your RW thats to be expected#lamecheapshots
Which is all this risible thread is
Fiscally responsible point scoring.
Like global warming though, innit? BBC shouldn't try and create some form of artificial 50:50 'balance' in the debate where where the evidence and established opinion is overwhelming.
Well for one Politics ain't empirical it's largely a matter of opinion. So if you load one side more than the other then that becomes bias.
Also, it's about being impartial as possible certainly from the BBC's point of view.
Finally it's not so much about creating balance , it's about giving the same amount of screen time to the differing perspectives.
"Oh god... I made fun of Corbyn/Momentum's crowd panoramas on twitter and instantly gain a few anti-Corbyn followers
Maybe I should explain that I'm allowed to make fun of something without automatically being on their 'side'."
LOL, I get that. You support/oppose one argument/point on a topic and everyone assumes you support/oppose them on the entire issue. Freaky.
"it's about giving the same amount of screen time to the differing perspectives."
Which is a bit tricky when one side typically refuses to go on your flagship news shows.
Also raises the question what is balance in this context? Should every show have mainstream Labour input plus Momentum/Corbyn input. In which case Labour gets two people to the Tory's 1 which isn't fair either.
On reflection Balance becomes a nightmare when one party splits in all but name and the leadership no longer support all of the current policy.
I'm not saying media coverage is right, just that I'm not sure what right looks like.
The BBC is far from impartial and it's journalism is rarely critical (as in critical analysis)....the coverage of the referendum (lies stated by either side that were rarely challenged/reported as false) is a clear example. The BBC was just a mouthpiece for the campaigns.
The BBC was just a mouthpiece for the campaigns.
It is a sad development in our news that things are reported and commented upon before they happen " Mr Sad is going to make a speech about frowning and some other things" etc report after so the words said not the copy that the Spad gives you are the news
That @gentlerpolitics feed was sadly as I thought it would be, abuse, rape threats, anti-semitism. Niw I am certain there is large amounts of Islamaphobix and racist abuse on there as well but not as part of a Tory leadership election.
The SWP twitter feed and entryism is out in full force too, as per CFH's there is little to stop you joining Labour and voting even if you are an SWP member, Labour don't have fhe rescources to check. As per my cuckoo remark, no point stuggling with your own niche party when you can take over a national organisation and official opposition.
@rone / huffington post. Corbyn is really dull on TV, its also my view he generally tries to avoid interviews. You could see with the piece ViceNews did on him as soon as fhe anti-semitism row hit he went into hiding for days on end. Also Corbyn is so isoltaed with so few supoorters (McDonald, Abbott) there aren't the guests to invite onto TV. 80% of the PLP is against his leadership and I suspect mist are available for interview.
Corbyn's team need to understand the media is reporting thungs as it and many of us, see them. The guy's leadership is a shambles and he has laways been an outsider/maverick fighting against Labour Party as much as for anything else.
Just for the record once again I am resident in the UK, we have these wonderful documents called passports which let you travel to other places. I use mine a lot.
Lol says the islamophobic person who wanted/did? to vote J.C in the last leadership election.
"its also my view he generally tries to avoid interviews."
The interview in the Guardian above much confirms that. The point put to him was he was mostly preaching to the converted on social media and rallies.
It's easy to see why though isn't it?"its also my view he generally tries to avoid interviews."
He says something on Twitter and the public get to read it.
He says something to the media and they get to spin it before the public get to read it.
"It's easy to see why though isn't it?
He says something on Twitter and the public get to read it.
He says something to the media and they get to spin it before the public get to read it."
Well yes, but the point Owen Jones put to him was that on Twitter he's preaching to the converted. On R4 Today (for instance) he's reaching a large number of people he wants to convert.
I still think he could write an article on the condition it would be published without alteration, and it would get published.
Also Corbyn is so isoltaed with so few supoorters (McDonald,[u] [b]Abbott[/b][/u]) there aren't the guests to invite onto TV.
I think that theres an important factor revealed there as to why so many people have the impression that Corbyn's Labour Party is full of hypocrisy, loony politics and, frankly, utter codswallop.
He avoids interviews as he's got no answers to remotely challenging questions. We saw at the Charkrabati report launch he just can't help but let some remark slip and turn the whole event into a disaster. No one prompted him to give the EU 7.5 / 10, he damned the campaign by very faint praise. He is however good at ranting to the converted about injustice. He has had a long career and now has a £1.6m pension based upon ranting about injustice while achieving absolutely nothing and having never previously had a position of responsibility in Government or opposition. Its obvious what he is good at at equally obvious where his faults lie.
@ctk I was going to join as a supporter a year ago to vote for Corbyn but decided to save the £3 as it was clear he was going to win. I want his left wing politics to get a good airing so the people can opine on them. They did so in Scotland and may they do so again in 2020
So it was ok for you to join and vote as a right winger but not ok for people from the left? I don't understand your logic.
He avoids interviews as he's got no answers to remotely challenging questions.
Why should that matter? The referendum showed quite clearly that having no answers was a plus not a minus. You can then just make things up to suit.
FWIW, Corbyn is better when facing direct questions - ok not PMQ - he should spend more time doing it.
"FWIW, Corbyn is better when facing direct questions - ok not PMQ - he should spend more time doing it."
Even if he wasn't he has to learn. Milliband was IMO pretty slick at fielding questions after a bit of media training and practice. JC ain't gonna get there without doing a bit.
I think his real problem in terms of getting his message out is he has a massive list of expensive stuff he wants to do and his answer to paying for it is"borrow". Not a popular message. So perhaps he's glad of an excuse to avoid discussing policy aspirations.
Also Corbyn is so isoltaed with so few supoorters (McDonald, Abbott)
Clive Lewis
Cat Smith
Emily Thornberry
Dennis Skinner
Jon Trickett
Imran Hussain
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-unelectable-clive-lewis-labour-leadership-election-a7164011.html ]oops.[/url]
So it was ok for you to join and vote as a right winger but not ok for people from the left? I don't understand your logic.
I never once said what the lefties where doing was wrong, I was pointing out that a lot of Corbyn's support came from outside Labour. No I don't think its OK for someone to vote for something as a joke but the Labour Party created the system so easily open to abuse why not was my logic, same logic applies to the those further left than Labour. The Party has created a situation which people can easily abuse so why not. I think it demonstrates they are not fit to govern or as the cliche goes arrange a p.ss up in a brewery.
@tmh I have never once seen him deal credibly with a difficult question. I remember the hustings where he absolutely refused to give a number of refugees he would accept if leader, no figure, no range. His "performance" at the Chakrabati press conference and the Home Affairs select commitee was appalling. Shamri got told off for handing him notes of what to say.
Corbyn isn't used to being challenged or even asked questions in an interview. He has very little experience of it and it shows.
Did you actually read it?Mr Woppit - Member[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-unelectable-clive-lewis-labour-leadership-election-a7164011.html ]oops.[/url]
He's saying that the more Labour MPs say he's unelectable, the more unelectable he becomes - he's calling for support for Corbyn.
Here is his own article:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/27/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-leader-crisis
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/30/donald-trump-labour-personality-cult-hadley-freeman ]an interesting piece by Hadley Freeman on modern politics and the personality cult[/url]
[url= https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/questions-all-jeremy-corbyn-supporters-need-to-answer-b3e82ace7ed3#.9v8gcusjo ]My questions may strike you as unhelpful or uncomfortable. I’m beyond caring. Call me a Blairite, Tory, Establishment stooge, careerist, sellout, whatever makes you feel better. The situation is extremely grave and unless satisfactory answers are offered, we are nothing but the accomplices of the very people we oppose.[/url]
[url= https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/759770546322092037 ]Given the comments re social media, rather amusing that this was/is the original source![/url]
personality cult
Give him his dues - its one thing you can't accuse Owen of having
The root of the problem is confusing Policy with Leadership. In a democratic party, the party, decides policy. So the leader's policy views are less important than their ability to lead. Jeremy Corbyn was elected by people who liked his policies - not his leadership ability.
I don't have a problem with his policies - but as he's demonstrated, he's not a leader. A leader should be able to unite the party, not split it. A party leader who puts forward his personal views in parliamentary debate, when they're contrary to policy decided by conference, is abusing his position as leader.
