Jeremy Corbyn

Corbyn really doesn't help himself does he, first question and its Orgreave?

Its his comfort zone. His default setting. The one he absolutely refuses to leave. He's spent 30 years preaching to the converted/leftie faithful at Stop the War and Anti-Aparthied rallies. `And while thats admirable as a backbencher, he hasn't moved on. Its literally all he's capable of doing. He has absolutely zero interrest in reaching out to anyone outside his narrow, unquestioning secular base. Which is why he hasn't a hope of ever getting close to winning a general election.

And his stance on Trident - the leader of the labour party standing up and denouncing official labour party policy - has left him (and the labour party) looking absolutely ridiculous. As the Tories all gleefully pointed out today, while the labour benches sat silent, and stony faced

if your own leader is leaving you wide open to scorn and ridicule from your political opposition, for their own amusement, it really is time to go

if your own leader is leaving you wide open to scorn and ridicule from your political opposition, for their own amusement, it really is time to go

Perhaps someone should have a quiet word and tell him?

So his politics rejects the idea of holding the PM to account on a weekly basis

Are you really suggesting that's what PMQs is?

Are you really suggesting that's what PMQs is?

Not at the moment. 😀

Not at the moment, sadly

Are you really suggesting that's what PMQs is?

Let's ask Linda. Who may or may not be a made up person who may or may not have written to the messiah to ask him what he thinks.

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I received a letter from Vladimir in [s]Moscow[/s] Chelsea, where he definitely wasn't poisening anyone with radioactive materials) asking if it was true that Britain would not be renewing its nuclear weapons. I assured him that this was indeed the case. Will the Prime Minister join me in thanking Vladimir for his commitment to world peace....

There is nothing remotely like PMQs at the Oxford Union.

According to whom? Silly game-playinng and personal jibes are an essential element of OUS politics.

Yes, but that really doesn't help portray anyone who isn't a Corbyn acolyte as a toff, does it?

Since messrs Cameron, Osborne, Johnson, Gove, and many more of our favourite frends were leading lights of the OUS it's not entirely inappropriate to draw the comparison.

Bllody biased media claiming that May wiped the floor with poor old Jezza - they aren't very nice or supportive are they?

So his politics rejects the idea of holding the PM to account on a weekly basis - what an odd form of opposition. Still explains why he is so poor at it

He could be better at it while still rejecting the form. The impression he gives is that he is just not that bright.

According to whom? Silly game-playinng and personal jibes are an essential element of OUS politics.

Anyone who has attended a debate there. You seem to be confusing two things. The Oxford Union is a debating society completely separate from OUSU, which is the student union you find at most universities. Cameron as far as I am aware was involved in neither to any significant degree, not sure about Osborne. Both Gove and Johnson were heavily involved in the debating society.

Anyone who has attended a debate there. You seem to be confusing two things. The Oxford Union is a debating society completely separate from OUSU, which is the student union you find at most universities.

As a member of the Oxford Union I'm sort of aware of that. But thanks for the laugh I got at your attempt at condescension 🙂

No condescension, just confused by use of abbreviation, OUS, I always remember it being referred to as the Union.

I saved 2 letters by using OUS instead of Union. Besides, in my day (!!) there was essentially no OUSU, just the JCRs 🙂

I think my day is probably before yours, I was there in Boris's time.

We were maybe there at almost the same time - also of Nixon's visit to the Union 🙂

Let's ask Linda.

To be honest I preferred Points Of View when Barry Took presented it - at least he had a sense of humour.

Bllody biased media claiming that May wiped the floor with poor old Jezza - they aren't very nice or supportive are they?

Ahh, comrade, that just a right-wing, extremist, biased, Murdochian plot by red tories. Which PROVES he is the true Messiah.

The impression he gives is that he is just not that bright.

That's because Corbyn isn't. The brains are elsewhere like John McDonnell

Nixon was in 78 - that was well before my time, although I was in Oxford, I was more excited by Willy Johnston turning up after he left the World Cup.

I'm loving the ex Oxford Union chat on the thread about the establishment-smashing beardy socialist messiah chaps

Good effort! 😀

I'm loving the ex Oxford Union chat on the thread about the establishment-smashing beardy socialist messiah chaps

Have they checked their privilege?

Have they checked their privilege?

I haven't heard it called that before 🙁

Nixon was in 78 - that was well before my time

Paah - youngsters. You will, more importantly, have missed Joy Division at the New Theatre 🙁

I'm loving the ex Oxford Union chat on the thread about the establishment-smashing beardy socialist messiah chaps

...when they could've been dropping out of North London Poly instead. Now [i]that's[/i] condescending...

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A smear campaign from the right-wing, tory ... err Private Eye.

So if PMQ's isn't where Jeremy Corbyn holds the Prime Minister to account where has he been doing that then ? Its been 9 months and he's been totally ineffective just disagreeing with his own party as usual over his entire career. He hasn't even managed to get anything out of Chilcot apart from "self-harm" with the Labour Party apology.

The Tories are now on 40 per cent (up 10 points); Labour 29 per cent (down four points); Ukip 12 per cent (down eight points) and the Liberal Democrats on nine (up three points).

I am not a fan of polls but these won't make easy reading for Labour

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183,541 applications to Labour Party in last 48 hrs

9 months and Jamby still does not like corbyn
Who could have foreseen such an unexpected turn out of events?

Blimey - 4.5 million quid - they should do this more often!

Indeed Alex, the same thing occurred to me.

JY no he is perfect, the longer he is around the more his left wing agenda will be consigned to the history books. I am 100% in favour of him being leader in 2020

As a fundamental socialist I personally just don't get Corbyn he is reasonably pleasant in s Stalinist way (cult of the personality and all that) but his one line to approach to the very serious problems this country currently have is bizarre, a good solid centre left party would wipe the floor with the current Tory/UKIP representation - I don't have an answer for an effective opposition and I can't see any individual in the Labour Party will thethe ability to pull this together, I think that the protest politics of the Corbynites is frankly laughable. I as a sort of socialist genuinely believe the Labour Party will not be any form of opposition they are simply fading away and we would do well to remember the utter destruction of labour in Scotland- even Jambys poll puts UKIP (God bless em) in striking distance of labour seats in the northern half of england - looking at the simple numbers no one is going to defeat the Tories in any shape or form for 10 to 15 years maybe never again as they can harness the rise of the right (UKIP) wing very easily something that is impossible for the current labour party - the dog is done for

Jam, what's wrong with a left wing agenda?

Jam, what's wrong with a left wing agenda?

No f***** votes for it!

I've just come from a local Momentum meeting this evening, the first one since the coup attempt, it was at least ten times larger than all the previous local Momentum meetings I've been to, which I found both very surprising and very encouraging.
It had a surprisingly diverse age range with quite a few younger members who did not appear to be particularly political, or left-wing for that matter. I would appear that Corbyn's appeal is that he offers them an alternative to the now very discredited British political class.

Thirsty enough and you'd drink camel piss, but that still doesn't make camel piss acceptable to drink.

Did this heady mix of momentum supporters know they'd been infiltrated by a far left marxist or did you wear your normal disguise?

JY no he is perfect, the longer he is around the more his left wing agenda will be consigned to the history books. I am 100% in favour of him being leader in 2020

Nothing crobyn has done would make you like him - possibly resign- anymore than anything Bris does will make me respect him

That is just the truth
Therefore any of your critique of him must be taken with a pinch of salt that says - whatever he is doing jamby will be criticising him

Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings...

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jambalaya - Member

Indeed Alex, the same thing occurred to me.

enfht - Member

Did this heady mix of momentum supporters know they'd been infiltrated by a far left marxist or did you wear your normal disguise?

What [i]"normal disguise"[/i] ???

The [u]only[/u] reason you know I am a Marxist is because I openly declare that I'm a Marxist .... you daft muppet 😆

Even my username should remove any doubt of my commitment Marxist-Leninism.

I would in fact be mortified if people thought I wasn't a communist.

So thanks once again enfht for reminding everyone of how everything I post on here is from a class conscious Marxist perspective. And that Me, Bob Crow, and Mick McGahey, for example, came from the same stable 😀

Don't let anyone think for one moment that the pragmatism and tolerance which I express on here, in sharp contrast with your stereotypical middle-class revolutionary, somehow diminishes my Marxist credentials.

183,541 applications to Labour Party in last 48 hrs

The tragedy of all this is that the UK labour party is now the largest left wing grassroots membership organisation in Europe, if not the world, and most of the people at the top of the party are either completely opposed to it, or incapable of harnessing it towards arguing their case.

My main fear, and I'm seeing evidence of it all over social media among my many friends who like me voted for Corbyn in September, is that it's becoming a cult of personality. Which is very odd, as he doesn't really have one. The John Major of the left. It makes you think what would be possible with someone with a bit of energy and organisational ability.

Jam, what's wrong with a left wing agenda?

State control (interference)
Wealth redistribution
Higher spending
Reduced spending on defence and security generally
Republicanism

Junky, there is nothing Corbyn could do to get me to like him as he's desperately misguided, well intentioned (ie great sound bytes) but actually quite a dangerous indovidual giving credibiltiy and a platform to some very unpleasant people

@dazh these people joinng want to turn the Labour Party into something it"s not as they cannot find another party like the one they want. IMO they are not really "party members" they are entryists - political cookoos.

State control (interference)
Wealth redistribution
Higher spending
Reduced spending on defence and security generally
Republicanism

Apart from the last one the tory govt is pretty active in all those areas. Even the labour party in it's current rebellious mood doesn't entertain the idea of republicanism.

they are not really "party members" they are entryists

What does that mean exactly? People who've never been engaged with mainstream politics before? If I"m not mistaken for the past 3 decades politicians have been encouraging people to join up and get involved. I myself have had many conversations with labour party people where they've urged me to get involved. But now if I did I'd be dismissed as an entryist or a trot! Seems to me they want the bodies, and the membership fees, but not the ideas and the opinions that come with it.