In an obscure way JC, has raised CYLISTS profiles by a huge amount all by driving a british made, indian owned very profitable, highly exported in demand off road vehicle, he has made lots of comments on numerous cycling forums, will probably sometime appear in the papers giving his side of the story, the cyclist involved will be tracked down, (quite easily done), and made a fellow media celeb for a week.
Nobody was hurt,but like i said its raised the profile of inner city cyclists for all.
Well done Mr Clarkson, and thankyou.
Good to see Vine developing some life experience and awareness, but I note he still thinks that his excise duty is paying for the roads...
unlike woppit I have the wit to cut and paste a link
Don't be a twerp. What makes you think I didn't? Oh wait - you know whats going on because you have special mind powers, right?
[quote=Mr Woppit ]Good to see Vine developing some life experience and awareness, but I note he still thinks that his excise duty is paying for the roads...
Does he? The only comment I can see from him is one of the standard rebuttals to the "you don't pay road tax" brigade - to be honest given the audience for that article it's probably the one they're most likely to understand.
I was told by several people that I ‘should not be on the road because you [b]do not pay road tax[/b]’ ([b]never mind that I do[/b], on my car)
There's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass?
Admittedly I don't cycle in the capital but whenever I go out on the streets here, I do my best to be courteous and even handed and hope that others will be appreciative and reciprocate.
We as cyclists have a responsibility to each other to present ourselves in the best light to the rest of the world because there's something that changes in everyone when they get behind the wheel of a vehicle that cuts them off from humanity for a while and if we make the roads a battleground we will lose.
I was told by several people that I ‘should not be on the road because you do not pay road tax’ (never mind that I do, on my car)
I can forgive that. It's much easier to argue that, in common with c85% (?) of 'cyclists', you have paid all the same [i]motoring related taxes[/i] as the twerp claiming you've not right to be in the road since you own a car as well as a bike.
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There's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass?
me!
honestly, in 15+ years of driving its never happened
been subjected to some pretty bad behaviour by motorists tho!
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There's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass?
me!
honestly, in 15+ years of driving its never happened
been subjected to some pretty bad behaviour by motorists tho!
+1 - I'm curious to hear from anybody on here who has actually been annoyed by a cyclist who won't allow cars to pass - personally I reckon that's almost a physical impossibility in any situation where it's safe for cars to pass.
In the 25+ years I've been using the roads I can recall 2 incidents where cyclists have annoyed me due to poor road behaviour - one of them was when I was on a bike, and neither put anybody in danger apart from themselves (unlike the "annoying" things lots of drivers do).
Speeder - MemberThere's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass?
Once or twice a week I see cyclists riding two abreast where I THINK it would be just as safe and more considerate to cycle in single file.
I might be wrong.
However, I see terrible driving constantly when I'm in the car.
I would imagine cycling attracts roughly the same proportion of bellends as driving, but due to the consequences of their actions the cycling bellends moderate their behavious somewhat.
I was annoyed by a lorry this morning, that didn't want me to go first through the traffic island space, despite being behind me with about 15 yards to go...
I've never been "annoyed" by a cyclist. There's one who commutes on a busy A road that it takes a while to get past, but my reaction to him is mostly " braver man than me" he gets honked, and waved at all the time by the drivers being held up for ooooohhhh, seconds at a time sometimes 🙄
I'm curious to hear from anybody on here who has actually been annoyed by a cyclist who won't allow cars to pass - personally I reckon that's almost a physical impossibility in any situation where it's safe for cars to pass
Indeed given you need to go on the other side of the road to overtake why are you not annoyed by all the cars coming theother way that stop you overtaking safely?
Why blame the bike for this as its the other road users that prevent the overtake
I never ever been annoyed by a cyclist
We as cyclists have a responsibility to each other to present ourselves in the best light to the rest of the world because there's something that changes in everyone when they get behind the wheel of a vehicle that cuts them off from humanity for a while and if we make the roads a battleground we will lose.
I think we should attempt to change the attitude of those behind the wheel rather than think we can cycle in a happy cheery way that makes them drive nicely
STW doesn't allow direct links to the Daily Fail website because it finds it an "abhorrent publication".Pathetic.
well if it annoys you it just got even funnier
I, for one, am completely shocked at the revelation that Jeremy Clarkson turns out to be an arrogant, dangerous-driving bawbag in real life. I thought it was all just put on, for the telly.
well if it annoys you it just got even funnier
Why's that then?
[quote=StefMcDef ]I, for one, am completely shocked at the revelation that Jeremy Clarkson turns out to be an arrogant, dangerous-driving bawbag in real life. I thought it was all just put on, for the telly.
It is shocking to discover he's not as good an actor as you thought.
Staggering, isn't it.
Jesus made me
StefMcDef - MemberI, for one, am completely shocked at the revelation that Jeremy Clarkson turns out to be an arrogant, dangerous-driving bawbag in real life. I thought it was all just put on, for the telly.
Neither am I. 😀
Not read the Top Gear love-ins on here?
There appear to be a huge proportion of people who genuinely do believe his schtick is an act.
Judge a man by the friends he keeps . Not always correct but with friends like Brooks,little Murdoch and call me Dave .
There's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass?
I've never been annoyed either! If you have, its *your* failing, not theirs.
People make similar complaints about lorries overtaking, caravans, horses, slow drivers etc etc.. it just demonstrates a sense of entitlement many people feel when driving, as if the roads have been built for people driving fast, and anyone doing otherwise needs to get out of the way. Its entirely incorrect, and just leads to frustration and possibly road rage.
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There's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass?
me!
Me too
I can forgive that. It's much easier to argue that, in common with c85% (?) of 'cyclists', you have paid all the same motoring related taxes as the twerp claiming you've not right to be in the road since you own a car as well as a bike.
I can't. It's perpetuating the road tax myth.
By that logic, you shouldn't be on the road if you're disabled, if your car's older than 40 years, you drive a tractor, an electric vehicle, anything with emissions lower than 100g/km, an NHS vehicle, or a horse. Or, of course, you're on foot.
pk13 - MemberJudge a man by the friends he keeps . Not always correct but with friends like Brooks,little Murdoch and call me Dave .
And the unutterably loathsome Gill.
Annoying cyclist can, at worst cause a scratch to a car, whereas a ton of speeding steel in the hands of a twunt is a lethal weapon. Even out here in the sticks some drivers squeeze past on blind bends and brows' of hills - seen so many near misses, sadly some are cars with bikes on the roof or hanging off the back - "physician heal thyself" springs to mind.
Just for clarification - is it illegal to use a mobile phone whilst driving or whilst in charge of a motor vehicle? If it's the latter then the gobshite is bang to rights, even if he is temporarily stationary. And, when did he post the tweet? Was he mobile at that point too?
Junkyard - lazarus
Jesus made me
It's official - Junkyard thinks being crass is the same thing as possessing wit.
Illegal whilst in charge. He's admitted the crime.
Much as I like JC, most of the time, I think I need to rethink my opinion of him.....
This incident certainly has opened my eyes. Im starting to think that he does actually believe what he says about cyclists, dressed up as comedy.
Junkyard thinks being crass is the same thing as possessing wit.
LOLZ at the irony
I genuine laughed out loud at that one
thanks
I normally find Jeremy Vine an annoying source of radio channel swapping, but that article has made me [partially] rethink him, at least from a personal point of view.
The Clarkson thing? He'll be lucky if anything ever happens to him. I'd say just get onto the people that employ him and complain. Money usually talks and they will probably see a way to exploit it for their own gains. I hate to say it though, but if anyone can change attitudes about cycling, it's arguably him and his ilk.
Illegal whilst in charge. He's admitted the crime.
But 'using' is usually defined as making or receiving communications. Unless he tweeted whilst driving I'm not sure he wouldn't get off the charge with a good lawyer. Still careless driving though.
I genuine laughed out loud at that one
Glad you can laugh at yourself. Saves me the bother.
[quote=whatnobeer]Still careless driving though.
Exactly. Plenty of precedent for that with more minor stuff than sticking your hand out of the window to take a photo - he would have to avoid admitting that.
This thread just got a mention in the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2014/jan/13/jeremy-clarkson-cyclists-taking-the-lane
This thread just got a mention in the Guardian
Excellent. STW in mainstream media and the thread that's chosen? One that has descended in to a shining beacon of an example of big hitters hitting each other big! 🙂
Its also got a mention on Bike biz, like i said earlier the cyclist will soon become a media celebrity.
I believe they train Guardian sub-editors by getting them to translate Junky's posts these days. 😀
CFH-
thank goodness they didnt link to a wheel size debate by mistake!
so Mods does a linky from the guardian provide a big boost to your hits?
Rusty, have you actually read the Graun recently?
Junky is their chief proofreader, I believe.
😉
all i can say, having tuned in to this late is huzzah fellow cyclists. The guardian write up nicely sums it up and I agree that cycling in rush hour traffic for 2 or 3 miles in london should be part of the driving test. I also think cyclists should sit in the cab of lorries at the same time. It works both ways.
Bang goes my New Year's resolution of not-going-on-STW ever again. Instead I read the graun and look where it led me.. 😯
Occasionally this place is absolutely awsums.
The great thing about articles like that in the Graduin is that you can read the comments without going mad (unlike where the Jeremy Vine one is published, where nobody commenting appears to have read the article, or is incapable of comprehending it).
This thread just got a mention in the Guardian
Hi Guardian readers! *wave*
EDIT: and journos!
Also now made it onto road.cc
http://road.cc/content/news/107809-point-making-rider-hits-back-jeremy-clarkson
I particularly like "the always-lively forums on Singletrackworld.com", and I'm sure Mark is wetting his pants about all this free publicity. Oh look, he is 😉
https://twitter.com/singletrackmark/status/422711265023496193/photo/1
The great thing about articles like that in the Graduin is that you can read the comments without going mad (unlike where the Jeremy Vine one is published, where nobody commenting appears to have read the article, or is incapable of comprehending it).
I made the mistake of reading them too 🙁
In case anyone's still counting...
[i]There's 2 sides to every story and who hasn't been annoyed by the inconsiderate cyclist who won't allow cars to pass? [/i]
Me, with many years' experience of driving and riding bikes.
And the nice thing about the DM comments is it keeps those people in one place, out of everybody else's way, and seemingly contented.
