[Closed] It's so very dusty in here. (Warning: happy sad dog story)

I have been for some time, Jamie. But I'm okay with that 🙂

They say that it takes all sorts to make a world but it never fails amaze me just how different from each other humans can be.

Its the rich tapestry of life itself...........innit !

its not trolling but to appear on every dog thread [ when the title makes it very clear what it is about] saying you hate dogs is somewhat attentions seeking/pointless

Surely we all just [ largely] ignore threads about things we dont like /have no interest in.

I think we all realise not everyone likes all the same things without someone appearing over and over again to tell us they dont like the thread topic.

Because it's a public forum, we can read whatever we want to read and respond to whatever we want to respond to?

That doesn't explain why anyone who doesn't like dogs would want to open a thread which in the title refers to "happy sad dog story".

The fact that it is a public forum and that you can read whatever you want to read doesn't mean that it's obligatory to read and comment on things that don't interest you.

It all seems a little bizarre to me, this need to share with others just how negative you feel about something. And I can see that for some people that need is quite powerful. Very strange

I don't care about all the usual STW bollocks, that made me properly cry.

And I can guarantee that despite not liking dogs njee20 will repeatedly come back to this thread.

Correct! Because, like many these things, it's as interesting to read something that you have no interest in, as it is to read something that you have lots of interest in, and now I'm becoming embroiled in the dog-lovers love-in it's all the more intriguing! Dog ownership being something that polarises so many - hence the "he's just friendly" defense as your mutt bowls over a small child/sniffs your crotch etc.

Correct! Because, like many these things, it's as interesting to read something that you have no interest in, as it is to read something that you have lots of interest in, and now I'm becoming embroiled in the dog-lovers love-in it's all the more intriguing! Dog ownership being something that polarises so many - hence the "he's just friendly" defense as your mutt bowls over a small child/sniffs your crotch etc.

So to summarise for you njee: "I am dead inside and like to be miserable".

 

The title of the thread included the following warning : Warning: happy sad dog story.

Why would anyone who hates dogs want to open a thread which contains that warning ?

Its because they are trolls. Its like going on a Top Gear thread and slagging off Clarkeson.......

This will keep them busy trying to find where I've done this to prove me an idiot.

So to summarise for you njee: "I am dead inside and like to be miserable".

No, to summarise "I don't like dogs". However I am not in the least bit miserable, in part because I don't give a shit that an animal I never had anything to do with is dead. Actually, to that end, I'm probably among the least miserable people on this thread!

... doesn't mean that it's obligatory to read and comment on things that don't interest you.

I think you get me wrong. It interests me that people get sentimental about animals, precisely because I don't feel that way myself and I'd like to understand the rationale, even if I don't wish to share it. I'm not attacking anyone else for their opinion, though apparently I'm under fire for expressing my own because I don't agree with the majority.

As far as the original story goes, it's a shame the dog died. I don't understand why the send-off was so important, and the story didn't bring me anywhere close to tears. That's not a 'negative' statement, just an "I don't understand, really". If people want to get mushy over what I view to be, as I said earlier, a smelly, noisy, waste of money, more power to them. Be as effusive as you like, but do me the honour of letting me at least express my confusion.

No, to summarise "I don't like dogs". However I am not in the least bit miserable, in part because I don't give a shit that an animal I never had anything to do with is dead. Actually, to that end, I'm probably among the least miserable people on this thread!

You don't sound like it. In fact you sound pretty angry. You need to get yourself a puppy or something to get happy and calm down.

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If people want to get mushy over what I view to be, as I said earlier, a smelly, noisy, waste of money, more power to them.

Sounds like a child, no?

and the story didn't bring me anywhere close to tears.

You're history's greatest monster 😡

If people want to get mushy over what I view to be, as I said earlier, a smelly, noisy, waste of money, more power to them.

Sounds like a child, no?

You're histories greatest monster

You're histories greatest monster

History's, shirley?

That's not a 'negative' statement, just an "I don't understand, really".

See, I don't not understand, just wasn't moved by the story in the least. The honest answer as to why I looked is that I was intrigued, and if it had been an interesting story I'd have liked it, despite not really liking dogs. As it was, I just thought "meh, not fussed by that".

What, the Behemoth? Or the Leviathan? I wasn't when I last checked...

Ironically, Cerberus.

No, to summarise "I don't like dogs". However I am not in the least bit miserable, in part because I don't give a shit that an animal I never had anything to do with is dead. Actually, to that end, I'm probably among the least miserable people on this thread!

As others have said you don't come across as very happy, you come across as a sad bastard who shouts at kids/dogs/cars/tree in parks for making to much noise

What, the Behemoth? Or the Leviathan? I wasn't when I last checked...

Ironically, Cerberus

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I'd like to understand the rationale, even if I don't wish to share it...
...it's a shame the dog died. I don't understand why the send-off was so important, and the story didn't bring me anywhere close to tears.

I'm not sure where the struggle is, but to understand it maybe you just need to take "dog" out of the equation.

Imagine that you are responsible for "a creature" and that creature is incredibly loyal and loves you unconditionally. It is always excited to see you, will walk by your side for hours when you are in an active mood, and curl up beside you at the fire when you are not. It's funny, intelligent, empathic and it shares your life for years, maybe decades if you're lucky, always there for you. Always.

Then one black day you have to kill it, for it's own good.

It looks at you, full of love and trust, even as the poison is administered.
Then kisses your hand as it dies.

Can you [i]really[/i] not understand why that might be emotional?

Can you really not understand why that might be emotional?

There are a particular group of people who struggle to feel empathy, and I suspect there might be a larger than normal percentage of those people on here.

There are a particular group of people who struggle to feel empathy

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If people want to get mushy over what I view to be, as I said earlier, a smelly, noisy, waste of money, more power to them. Be as effusive as you like, but do me the honour of letting me at least express my confusion.

Ps Clarkeson is a ****

I'm not sure where the struggle is, but to understand it maybe you just need to take "dog" out of the equation.

Imagine that you are responsible for "a creature" and that creature is incredibly loyal and loves you unconditionally. It is always excited to see you, will walk by your side for hours when you are in an active mood, and curl up beside you at the fire when you are not. It's funny, intelligent, empathic and it shares your life for years, maybe decades if you're lucky, always there for you. Always.

Then one black day you have to kill it, for it's own good.

It looks at you, full of love and trust, even as the poison is administered.
Then kisses your hand as it dies.

Can you really not understand why that might be emotional?

Incredibly well put graham. Not watched the vid but dread the day when this will happen with mr dogs.

Then kisses your hand as it dies.

You hand me up to that point, then it got mawkish.

Dogs ain't no kissers.

Aye, their tongues are all over the place.

[quote=GrahamS ]It looks at you, full of love and trust, even as the poison is administered.

Is it just me who finds the betrayal of trust a little disturbing?

(not going near the other argument - today is an empathy day)

what betrayal of trust?

Is it just me who finds the betrayal of trust a little disturbing?

Try not to think about it, and now look at that sunset.

*preps needle*

wont be the first time someone has felt a small prick when they have been with you

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I think folk would if you did them the honour of stating your view more diplomatically and you sounded like you wanted to understand the difference between you and them

Imagine that you are responsible for "a creature" and that creature is incredibly loyal and loves you unconditionally. It is always excited to see you, will walk by your side for hours when you are in an active mood, and curl up beside you at the fire when you are not. It's funny, intelligent, empathic and it shares your life for years, maybe decades if you're lucky, always there for you. Always.

See, that's where you've got me. No, I can't understand the emotion in that, because I don't relate the 'creature' with the qualities you embue it with. Pet owners, it seems to me, like to project human qualities and emotions onto their pets, and I don't believe them to be true - love, loyalty, humour, empathy, even intelligence in the human sense of the term. The 'creature' is not, as far as I believe, capable of that level of emotional depth, and is acting on a basic equation: Learnt 'good' behaviour = food and comfort; Base 'bad' behaviour = a thwack across the nose with a newspaper. That's not 'love' or 'loyalty' in the human sense, just a learnt behaviour that earns the 'creature' a meal ticket.

You hand me up to that point, then it got mawkish.
Dogs ain't no kissers.

"Creature" y'see. I was trying to avoid "dog"

Is it just me who finds the betrayal of trust a little disturbing?

It's disturbing but your role is to look after them, keep them happy and free from pain. Sometimes there is only one way to do that.

Try not to think about it, and now look at that sunset.

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No, the flowers. Just look at the flowers Lizzie.

Jamie - Freeloader! But we still like him
http://www.robynarouty.com/personal/
*spits out tea*

Beyonce?

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I'm abivalent about dogs and therefore have nothing of interest to contribute.

Pet owners, it seems to me, like to project human qualities and emotions onto their pets, and I don't believe them to be true - love, loyalty, humour, empathy, even intelligence in the human sense of the term.

Non pet owners, it seems to me, like to forget that humans are animals too. Our emotions are not "special" or exclusive to our species.

Learnt 'good' behaviour = food and comfort; Base 'bad' behaviour = a thwack across the nose with a newspaper. That's not 'love' or 'loyalty' in the human sense, just a learnt behaviour that earns the 'creature' a meal ticket.

Is that really so different to a human?

Because, like many these things, it's [b]as interesting [/b]to read something that you have[b] no interest in[/b], as it is to read something that you have [b]lots of interest in[/b]

Are you sure about that.

Sound like a load of crap to be honest.

I find I things I'm interested in....... Interesting.

Things I'm not interested in...... Far less interesting.

It's pretty simple really.

Non pet owners, it seems to me, like to forget that humans are animals too. Our emotions are not "special" or exclusive to our species.

a learnt behaviour that earns the 'creature' a meal ticket.

Is that really so different to a human?

Yes, because our learning doesn't have to be experiental. It is, in early life, but we develop the ability to learn from [i]others[/i] mistakes, and from theoretical, hypothetical mistakes. We don't have to make them ourselves.

Booing my eyes out now...that doggy looks like my gorgeous girl

Well, today looks like one of those days when Angus is allowed on the bed. #sniff#

Non pet owners, it seems to me, like to forget that humans are animals too. Our emotions are not "special" or exclusive to our species.

Whilst this is true, I think it's fair to say that many dog owners attribute greater intelligence to their pets than they actually possess.
They are like us in that they are animals, but then so are iguanas.

we can learn in different ways but it does not mean we have different emotions. FWIW animals can trick and fake emotions as well but it is higher primates only iirc [ been a while since i studied it]
Technically you are referring to classical conditioning and rule governed behaviour [ say learning the green cross code] and soem transference of function.

Of course we are more intelligent than animals and we have language to aid our learning but this fact does negate what Graham S said and does not mean animals do not have "emotions".

Forgive the anthropomorphism hopefully you get what i mean

They are like us in that they are animals, but then so are iguanas.

Our prime minister has a weekly audience with an iguana, so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them.

Forgive the anthropomorphism hopefully you get what i mean

Well put, and yes, I get what you mean. It's the anthropomorphism that riles me regularly (my missus does the humanising thing with her cats), and it seems to be a general trait of pet owners.

Our prime minister has a weekly audience with an iguana

I think his name is Nick.

Kristen can be my groomer now.