[Closed] Is lockdown over? What officially do you think you can or cannot do?

Good luck...

We never had "lockdown". We've had various restrictions placed upon our movements and interactions. These have been removed in various stages as monitoring, testing and tracing has been introduced and as number of infections and deaths has decreased.

FWIW, I get all my guidance from scot.gov.uk, where all the laws, rules and guidance are published and updated. I'm guessing that you are in England and I would expect the UK Government has a similar library of documents.

Maintain 2m social distancing

Some broad suggestions (I work in a hospital so rules will be different):

If you can’t, wear a mask and or visor (mask better IMO) and still need to be 1m apart

Wipe desks, phones commonly touched items like door handkes etc twice daily with some sort of cliniwipe/disinfectant wipes

Consider staggering breaks etc to minimise numbers in staff rooms/canteens

Consider one way systems to minimise close contact

Consider having separate clothes for work and commuting to/from work

For governance purposes it’s worth having clear pictures/diagrams of what to wear, where to go etc so no one gets confused.

It's more important now than ever before to not covet your neighbours' ox

I’m guessing that you are in England and I would expect the UK Government has a similar library of documents.

Ha ha. You guys love to rub it in, wait until the Kremlin take over your govt.

Whatever Michael Gove does, that's what's allowed.

Lockdown's over but in just over a week's time we have to wear masks in shops cos obviously that's when the second wave is due. Er...in the shops. And we need to stop it spreading in erm, August.
It's like, er, blinking obvious innit.

Look at it from a risk perspective too, not just guidelines.

The big risk now for any organisation is track and trace.

If an employee gets Covid then your place of work could be shut down overnight.

However if you can confirm that everyone was distanced, wearing masks etc etc then there is less chance of being closed down

If an employee gets Covid then your place of work could be shut down overnight.

This time without any financial help.

Good luck…

We never had “lockdown”. We’ve had various restrictions placed upon our movements and interactions

A keep point that keeps getting overlooked.

The government website has all the rules. Your trade body may have more specific advice.

Do not ask on social media. Read the official guidance, nothing else matters.

I’m guessing that you are in England and I would expect the UK Government has a similar library of documents.

The HSE is probably a smart place to look - they give clear advice not only on Covid specifically but also on unexpected side issues such as Legionella being a risk as workforces return to buildings that have been empty for months. They'll also be the ones who come to bite you if you cock it up 🙂 Sign up for their updates and you'll get info every week

Depending on what sector you work in - see what advice trade bodies or similar are giving. I work in film and various industry bodies have broken down the regulations and issued guidance in ways that apply to the industry as a whole and also  by specialism and task. Industry training bodies are offering free online  training and accreditation for individuals too so at the start of each job I'm getting clearly briefed on the protocols by the production but I'm also able to provide them with certification that I'm up to speed with legislation and practice and that I know where to look to keep myself up to date with new announcements

It’s more important now than ever before to not covet your neighbours’ ox

Unless it's located in a small Northern castle, in which case it's fine......

I need to present to the rest of the board and as it is I have researched and written a set of guidelines that are utterly contradictory.

*waves at Boris*

Beat me to it, I was about to suggest a career in government.

In my defence
a) I am aware that my draft rules suck
b) I wrote them using HSE and Govt Guidance
c) I am not going to present them to the board with such gaping flaws.

Consider having separate clothes for work and commuting to/from work

Never understood why this wasn't already a thing for medical staff or carers. IIRC someone on here got rather stroppy before this all kicked off when it was suggested it wasn't hygienic to wear medical gear in public.

If Dominic Cummings can do whatever he wants, then so can I.

"Dave, we'd like you to make a presentation to the board about how we move forward as a business following the relaxation of pandemic guidelines."

"Ok boss, I'll just go and ask on this bike forum I know,  what they think we should do....."

🙄 you can see why some people get paid the big bucks can't you!!

The best piece of advice on here seems to be to document procedures in such a way that if an employee gets ill you can reasonably justify that none of their colleagues will also need to isolate.

Not something you’ll find written explicitly in government documentation but something that they’ve no doubt thought of themselves when doing what they do best (arse covering)

Basically, going forward use your common sense. If a situation feels dodgy, it probably is.

I'm allowed to go for a beer, walk in the woods, see my un-taxed and non-planning permission second home while on the way to an eye test, no?

Well, next week is my birthday, but going out for a meal with friends is sadly out of the question.
I can, at least, go out for a beer with a mate, I have a table booked for two at the same time on Friday and Saturday evenings at the same time, which is something.

While you can use common sense personally a workplace, especially is directing people to return to work, is another matter. You can imagine how this would go.

Company tells employees they can return to work as all processes in place. Somebody goes to work carrying virus (maybe not knowing it) and spreads it around the workplace. One of the people who contracted cover from the workplace dies as a direct result of going to the workplace. What would happen then, is the company covered as they have followed government advice?

There haven't been any? scenarios before where being asked to go to a workplace could actually end up killing you.

If Dominic Cummings can do whatever he wants, then so can I.

”Who’s more of a fool, the Fool, or the fool that follows him”?

obi Wan, circa 197... something.

Here my rules I’m following:

Work from home, because I am able to and should

observe 2m social distancing everywhere

If in shops or using shared transport of any kind wear a mask

quarantine parcels & letters for 72 hours; wipe them down with a dettol wipe during the opening process

any interaction with an object outside of my house or handled/touch by a stranger, or merely entering the house after being outside results in hand washing with cared antibacterial

What would happen then, is the company covered as they have followed government advice?

Of course. You have to be negligent to be successfully sued for something. Show you've followed the rules, and any subsequent problem is covered by the legal term "shit happens"

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“Dave, we’d like you to make a presentation to the board about how we move forward as a business following the relaxation of pandemic guidelines.”

“Ok boss, I’ll just go and ask on this bike forum I know, what they think we should do…..”

🙄 you can see why some people get paid the big bucks can’t you!!

What's up? Jealous? Sort out your reading & comprehension and maybe you can move up the ladder too.

Of course. You have to be negligent to be successfully sued for something. Show you’ve followed the rules, and any subsequent problem is covered by the legal term “shit happens”

My motivation here is to convince some of the older board members that we really don't need to force everyone back to the office, when actually they have done a great job working at home.
They are saying " lockdown is over get the shirkers back in pronto"..

The most likely scenario is that one of your employees tests positive, which will happen (probably on multiple occasions over the next year). What do you need to do to make sure that your entire firm doesn't have to shut down at that point? The logistics of how you arrange the workplace in terms of distancing, flows of people, size of teams, shared facilities, cleaning, ventilation etc will dictate how many people you can get back in safely on any single day.

Other factors are out of your hands - when the schools are back in September, expect regular childcare issues as they are forced to send home classes in response to positive tests.

The traditional 'bums on seats' mentality for office work isn't going to cut it unless you are very lucky. Maximising flexibility so you can respond to changing circumstances is the way forward.

Yeah this is what concerns me too, as others have said. I prefer keeping everyone at home as much as possible.

My rules are:
Work from home, though I'd prefer to be in the office...
Exercise outside as much as I want.
Meet others outside, no idea what the max official number of people of households is, but I don't have any social groups of more than 6 people so that's the max I'm working to.
Mask on public transport and in the shops if needed.
Keep at least a metre from others, ideally 2.
Wash my hands regularly.

Even if you have reduced capacity in the workspace, Toilet logistics might be a big factor, increased cleaning, no more than one person to the bathroom at all times etc.

The HSE is a good source of info / risk assessment / control measures, as has already been stated.

It's also worth bearing in mind that COVID is a reportable disease under RIDDOR now too. If anyone contracts or dies from COVID, and the exposure is likely to have been due to work activities, then it's reportable under RIDDOR.

How many employees do you need before a full time HSSE person becomes a necessity?

Ill be honest, my approach is.

wfh for as long as possible. its horrible. i hate it.

exercise whenever wherever.

try and keep people away.

over the last week we have tried to see friends both on and off the bikes at a distance. we appear to be the only ones trying to keep a social distance.

You're required to have access to competent h&s advice, whether that's getting one of your team qualified, a consultant or a dedicated advisor will depend on the size of the business, the risk inherent in the work and the situation.

Your board members need to understand that they're committing an offence and hence exposed criminal and civil action, to put people to work without a safe system of work in place. One of the easiest ways to eliminate the risk to an employee of exposure to covid in the workplace is for them to work from home if they can.

I'll pm you my invoice

Consider having separate clothes for work and commuting to/from work

Never understood why this wasn’t already a thing for medical staff or carers. IIRC someone on here got rather stroppy before this all kicked off when it was suggested it wasn’t hygienic to wear medical gear in public.

Hospitals used to have on-site launderettes for this exact purpose, staff would wear normal clothes into and away from work and change into uniform there. At the end of the shift you'd put the uniform ina bag with your name on it and it would be washed within a few days and delivered to your department. Stopped years and years ago (2004/5 maybe?) as my then-girlfriend was a nurse and it went from household bliss to sodding uniforms everywhere hanging up to dry overnight!

I can only relay what both my and my wife's employers have implemented.

I work in a large open plan office which is not Ideal for social distancing so at the tail end of May we decided to re-open with one desk per-row of four, no desks allowed opposite one another or back to back, my nearest colleague is at least 5m from me at all times.

We've turned a few meeting rooms into ad-hoc office spaces, which are first refusal reserved for people who have an identified increased risk factor (Asthma, pre-existing heart conditions, etc).

We extended office opening hours and carved the day up into three 'Slots' you can book a morning (7:00-12:30) Afternoon (13:00-17:30) and Evening (18:00-23:00) and we have a single 'administrator' of this Hot-desk booking system for the office, everyone has email access and can do at least some of their work from home as well as make contact to book slots (ideally a week in advance but our admin is very helpful and accommodating and frequently helps sort people out with less than 12hrs notice).

There are desk cleaning supplies (disinfectant sprays) in every office and everyone is responsible for cleaning down their desk at the beginning and end of their slot, and hand gel by every entry to the building and by every sign in sheet, you are expected to use these frequently throughout the day.

There is a sign in/out sheet so we know who was in what area when (in case of a future requirement to "Track and trace").

We were provided with a list of the arrangements before any of us attended the office, spoken to by our Line managers (by phone/skype) to discuss if we were happy to come back in, and it was made clear that "No" was a perfectly acceptable answer. Most importantly only those of us with a genuine business need to come in have been asked, if people can work from home the company would rather support them in doing that.

So we are at ~20% office desk-space capacity with an extra 30% opening hours.

We have discussed opening further desks up, it's been agreed that full height, 2m height dividers would need to be installed both for desks facing one another and for adjacent desks, so far this hasn't been undertaken as we are managing with our limited office space and wider WFH.

I'll be honest, I'm quite pleased with my employers they've been open, honest, treated us like adults, asked for input and trusted us to behave appropriately. So far we've been working like this for almost 2 months and had no known CV19 exposures (touch wood).

My wife works for the local authority and has been WFH since late March. They have daily Teams meetings and were recently told that they won't be expected back in until at least late October (and then only if 'Safe') as the best prevention of spread is still social separation. They have similarly open plan offices but already had assigned laptops so WFH was relatively straight forwards.

From your perspective OP I'd take a bit of an 'ERICPD' type approach and actually carry out risk assessments for each work area/space/team you might want to reopen, remembering that keeping it shut down is always an option. Treating contact between personnel as the primary risk; Elimination is the ideal solution (WFH) but where that's not possible look at a hierarchy of mitigations to limit the risk posed to Staff. Make sure your presentation includes the term "Duty of Care" just to reinforce that point to your directors...

You asked if lockdown was over OP, for many it was never on. What you really need to ask is whether or not the risk of CV19 spread risk is still present? I believe it is and I believe due to muddled guidance and information as well as the generally nice weather people are practicing less and less of the social separation principles outside of their work/home environments, and that is a significant risk factor which you cannot control. all you can do is try to limit the risk your employees face when they are at work.

Interesting viewpoint from all thanks for your contrubution to my sanity.
FYI, we are all still working from home, bar me and a couple of other directors who come in periodically and call each other across the office to save sharing our breath. (Well we have a detailed return to office protocol, but it boils down to this)
I presented all my evidence, we then had it reviewed by our part time HSSE contractor bloke who concluded that he wasn't sure either and we should all stay working from home unless necc.
Win.

We are all still WFH. The Uni is opening 1st Sept, but most of us who can WFH will continue. Staff will only be in to teach students. Much reduced classes and just 4 hours 'teaching contact' per student per week - so very spaced out. One way systems, hand gel etc.

Getting 'groundhog day' about WFH and would like some change. Getting out on the bike as much as possible - but as MrsF has been furloughed, she's in 're-decorate the whole house mode' - been busy.

Not been mixing with any others, my Wife just has one friend that pops round - no longer after last week (Gtr Manchester). Main issue has been seeing MIL who is in a Nursing Home. You could only visit by standing in the car park, whilst a relative is wheeled to a window and you talked over skype - even that's stopped. You can imagine MIL is upset as visits had only just started.

We never had “lockdown”. We’ve had various restrictions placed upon our movements and interactions. These have been removed in various stages as monitoring, testing and tracing has been introduced and as number of infections and deaths has decreased.

FWIW, I get all my guidance from scot.gov.uk, where all the laws, rules and guidance are published and updated. I’m guessing that you are in England and I would expect the UK Government has a similar library of documents.

This.

As of now, life seems fairly normal for me in general, with the exception of working from home, avoiding pubs or restaurants (utterly bonkers if 14 days isolation affects your work or life adversely to go for a meal or a pint) and wearing a mask everywhere I go.

I'm on the northern edge of Derbyshire, very near the border with both Cheshire East and Greater Manchester.
Lot of confusion around here with what bits are supposed to be in heightened lockdown and what bits are "normal" but I think the reality is that most people don't seem to know or care. The new normal of queuing to get into shops and wearing masks is mostly happening and is now just accepted.

We're still WFH and, personally, the idea of going back to the office is not very welcome but then again we've been told October at the earliest for a return and that might be put back again because our office is in Manchester city centre.

We only went out for a meal last week - Friday lunch as the pub opened. I pass it most days when out on a ride and had checked out their social distancing in their garden. Phoned them up and they explained all the rules. we sat outside, and no-one was within 4m of us. Had to stay at the table.

That's the only time we've been out. Haven't been to any other shops other than the super market, DIY store or local groceries. Not been to clothes shops either. Just hacked off that the idiots have now stopped us seeing parents or family.

bar me and a couple of other directors who come in periodically and call each other across the office to save sharing our breath.

Genuinely interested, and not trolling you I promise. Why this? I have seen it in other places as well, are staff members above senior manager immune? (Ok that last bit was trolling)

I think the rules are clearer in Wales than in England, our problems tend to come from people getting confused by the two.

Anyway, life here for us is pretty normal.

Kids will be going back full-time in Sept.

Went to the pub the other day, sat outside, social distancing polices in place. It was nice.

Went to Folly Farm last week too, frankly the places is perfect for handling Covid, the site is huge and well spaced out with huge open areas for picnics etc.

Pubs could open from yesterday in-doors, but most of the local ones aren't yet, they're opening in the days and weeks ahead.

Trail Centres are open, even uplifts.

Want can't we do? Well Swimming Pools and Gyms are still closed for the time being, but my Daughters Gymnastics Squad and my over-30s Gym both moved to the park to areas mapped out by the Council.

Apart from some obvious Anxiety from impending death or redundancy Cardiff is better now than before Covid. The Council have really done the biz, it's amazing what can be achieved with a clear direction and drive, they've done things unimaginable pre-covid. They've closed the busiest road in Cardiff to motor vehicles, replaced the road with a cycle lane and some tables under covers that people can go to and order food from local restaurants via an app. People wondered if it would be popular, the weather helped, but they closed early the first few days because the restaurants ran out of food to sell.

There are new cycle paths EVERYWHERE, changes that would be taken years to happen normally, been faught tooth and nail by 'local residents' bosh - almost over night, cycle ways and people are using them, loads of them, there are bikes EVERYWHERE.

Just an observation, I was in Cannock yesterday, went on the train, drove new wheels back up the Motorway, bloody hell it's a lot busier than here, M6 was as busy as ever right up beyond Lancaster, quite a shock compared to our traffic.

I was thinking we're getting back to normal levels in Scotland, but up the M74 through Glasgow and down M77 at half 5 would suggest otherwise, that would normally take 80-90 mins at that time, was 35 yesterday, no stops at all.

Genuinely interested, and not trolling you I promise. Why this? I have seen it in other places as well, are staff members above senior manager immune? (Ok that last bit was trolling)

They are not but we all have 'essential duties' - and we are in a big office that could take 30 people on two floors, so we have one director on 1st floor in the open plan area, another in his office and me in my corner office. I think I am more lilkely to catch CV19 by opening my car window in a traffic jam..
Also we are the directors/shareholders and have 'chosen' to come to work, it is our business, we have not been compelled by any bosses or anything. The others have been told to stay at home unless they can come up with a convincing reason to come in. Nobody has asked to come in. The caretaker/goodsin/out/ girl is on furlough with top up and happy as larry, she is the only person who does anything physical and at the moment we are covering that with the three of us that do come in. At the moment all our work is flowing smoothly. I get emailed things to print and sign most days by various other staff members who are at home. The future plan is to reduce in the office work by as as much as we can..

The caretaker/goodsin/out/ girl is on furlough with top up and happy as larry, she is the only person who does anything physical

To clarify - she is the only person we have furloughed, as everyone else is desk based and working from home is the same as working in office except no commute and no having to put up with colleagues coffee/CV19 breath.