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can anyone educate me on how all the electric is made, that is going to charge all the electric cars?
just wondering like............ 😆
On tangents, am surprised no one has brought up the environmental impact of production of new car dwarfing that of running old car which is what got environmental groups annoyed about the last scrappage scheme
can anyone educate me on how all the electric is made, that is going to charge all the electric cars?just wondering like............
I take your point but as you know it's produced the same way as all the other electricity. However, at least [i]some[/i] will be produced without directly generating carbon dioxide or other pollutants. AFAIK none is produced by burning diesel in the middle of towns.
diesel in the middle of towns.
as my car wont be doing either........ 😀
can anyone educate me on how all the electric is made, that is going to charge all the electric cars?
As if no-one's thought of that?
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can anyone educate me on how all the electric is made, that is going to charge all the electric cars?just wondering like............
There was a good thread on this on pistonheads the other day
find the post by dpeilow
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=247&t=1652693
short answer is there's already enough capacity
can anyone educate me on how all the electric is made, that is going to charge all the electric cars?just wondering like............
About 30% from gas, 25% from renewables, 25% from nuclear and 20% from coal. So most of it doesn't produce emissions detrimental to local air quality, and the fraction that does (coal and biomass co-firing) is burnt in plants with tall chimneys, located well away from large centres of population.
What was wrong with the old trolley bus system?
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Surely we could bring that back now. Power lines on major routes, with an onboard battery for the other bits.
Surely it's less insfrastructure than building a railway or tram network?
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AFAIK none is produced by burning diesel in the middle of towns.
It is at times of high demand although the government is trying to stop it. Organisations will turn on thier diesel generators at peak times, especially during winter to avoid high import costs or to support national grid requests for additional generation. Alot of hospitals do it as they need the money but recognise they are surronded by people with breathing difficulty.lots of supermarkets, hotels, shopping centres etc.do it basically anyone with a large standby generator
It wouldn't hard to switch buses and taxis over to hydrogen fuel cell or lpg, seems a no brainer really. Guess you can't do uber so easily though
HoratioHufnagel - MemberWhat was wrong with the old trolley bus system?
Back in the day, off-wire use was tricky so if there was a fault or a breakdown or detour then the wheels came off. But apparently they're on a comeback with modern batteries
We have a load of hybrid diesel buses in Edinburgh now, it's pretty noticable- no idling in traffic or at stops, they generally pull away and do a fair amount of driving around on the battery and the diesel kicks in for longer drives. Not sure how much charge they carry though (ie, if they have capacity to drive through a town centre without the engine)
so why not target the buses, taxi's, vans and lorries...
Because the damage caused by one bus carrying a multitude of people is far less than a multitude of people each individually driving a car.
Taxis and vans are arguably fair game.
Transport/logistics is another arguable one; it's heavily regulated and a necessity in today's capitalist system. Until there's a better/more cost efficient way of transporting goods, I imagine we're stuck with them. Staggering their access through the day into cities might be a better short-term solution.
When the sun shines , my solar panels are used to rechatge the battery on my electric Nissan Leaf.
More homes with solar panels makes sense for the environment, but again not for everyone.
Need a south facing roof ideally without too much shade from other buildings and trees etc.
Storage batteries are becoming affordable as well, ability to store the energy produced off the solar panels and then used when the sun disappears.
No perfect answer, but it is changing, more green methods will mean less air pollution which has to be a good thing.
I think it will still take say 10 years to see an appreciable change in our environmental approach and driving habits though.
What did you end up buying Tony?
[quote="Northwind"]...and dmfs are appearing now in petrol cars
Petrol cars have had DMFs for decades. Eighties definitely, possibly earlier in some applications.
Yup, fair point, bad wording on my part- they've become more widespread, is what I should have said. people still think of it as being a diesel thing was my point.
What did you end up buying Tony?
zafira tourer Jase. big driver space, big bike space.
Staggering their access through the day into cities might be a better short-term solution.
Sadly the opposite is happening with restricted delivery times in most city centres that have been pedestrianised. Means that all the traffic piles in at the same time rather than being spread out through the day. Mostly a problem on streets that had their deliveries through the front before the pedestrianisation was done (so that's most city centres), some modern shopping centres have underground delivery bays running 24/7.
Ton, shame you're not nearer the Zafira Tourer are silly daft cheap new around Corby and Bedford area.
I saw a lovely delivery miles one the other day for £15k.
A 'tourer'...?! WTF?
It's stil a zaf right? Are they trying to roll it in glitter?
Hopefully it won't burst into flames 😐
Ton Is that the last one that looks like it's been in a knife fight with Edward Scissorhands or the current ones whose face looks like it was modelled on the new mustachiod chief of F1?
When I was deciding whether to buy diesel or petrol I checked the CO2 figures and the petrol car produced about 20% more rather than the double figure picked out of fresh air by someone above (115bhp petrol/110bhp diesel). If the petrol isn't burned in France it gets shipped to the US so the Yanks can burn it in their V8 so petrol was objectively the better option.
You bought a Vauxhall? Wow.
I thought people only drove those if it is the only choice as a company car.
I know it is big, but plenty of decent manufacturers make big cars.
Just make sure you put some money in a jar every week to pay for the repairs.
unlike a few on here, a car is nothing but a tool to me, something to get me from a to b. something i can put my bikes in, rather than using a rack.
it will be parked up 5 days a week unused, unloved. and on the weekend it will serve a purpose.
and like my bikes, if it dont agree with me, it will be moved on to try something else.
also, i have a astra now, have owned it for 8 years....never failed me.
prior to that, i had a zafira for 6 years, that too never failed me.
hopefully if i am lucky, this may be the same..... 😀
Fair enough, you're probably the kind of buyer Vauxhall are aiming the car at.
We're seeing a lot of problems with Insignias and especially the hateful Mokka, but the Astra seems less troublesome. Seeing as the Zafira is basically a bloated Astra hopefully you'll be fine.
My parents have run their Astra without trouble for 9 years. The Rover they had before was dire.
To be fair, you're setting a fairly low base as your comparison there. Towards the end Rovers were appallingly badly put together - poor quality parts and an unmotivated workforce ( largely due to worrying about their next paypack) were not a great combination.
bikemike1968 - MemberYou bought a Vauxhall? Wow.
I thought people only drove those if it is the only choice as a company car.
Not going to lie, I still want a Zafira VXR
Rumours today that Peugeot / Citroën are in talks to buy General Motors European operations (i.e. Vauxhall /Opel)
Vauxhalls "that'll do, let's go down the pub" design and quality control philosophy combined with Citroën 'innovative' electrics - what could possibly go wrong?!
I ran an Omega MV6 a fair few years ago, loved it.
Big, fast and seriously safe/secure place to do a load of miles - and with the Xenon's was often mistaken for an unmarked policecar (I assume as whenever I came up behind anyone on a dual/m-way they usually moved over 🙂
Then a company petrol Vectra, 70k in 2 years, only changed tyres.
But my diesel Vectra cost far too much to run, too many things failed and/or needed replacing. Bought s/h at 50k, passed on to my son at 100k. No problems now, as I fixed them all.
I had a meeting last week about the next gen diesel emission standards.
I'm guessing that by the time it's fully rolled out, and all new cars are compliant, diesel will be restricted to large luxury vehicles. There won't be the margin in anything under €35-40000 to pay for the after treatment kit.
GPFs are on their way in now as well. Particulates from petrols are shit too. Who would have thought it.
So this is something more than the current SCR technology, ghostlymachine?
GPFs are on their way in now as well. Particulates from petrols are shit too. Who would have thought it.
Crazy talk. 😉
just wondering what this debate would have been like if the title was 'just bought a 2.5 transporter camper to convert to a camper'.
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It would have been the usual evangelists v haterz Ton!
It would have been the usual evangelists v haterz Ton!
I doubt it, a chorus of approval all round and requests for regular updates seems more likely to me. Mucky old vans (and woodburning stoves) only produce the [i]good[/i] sort of pollution doncha know!
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Not so much in the tech side, it's the test cycles that are being changed.
Both diesel and petrol i understand. No more test beds, except for baseline, looks like it'll be fully instrumented cars driving round various locations and routes and covering a far fuller range of conditions. Still to be decided how far it will go. But even the least aggressive proposal is going to give some manufacturers real issues.
So all the emissions equipment will need turning up to 11 or 12, except for VW, who will just need to decide whether to even fit it or not......
But is it going to be different tech to what's already there? Or just more expensive versions of it?
Basically the same tech. Bigger, finer filters, more additives and so on.
This is an interesting question being asked..
We've a 2.0L VAG TDI, which I love.. (Octy innit...!)
However, we're soon to replace it with a Petrol 1.4 TSI Yeti. We don't do great mileage,and I'm interested to see how small displacement turbo engines fair in day to day use..
Will see if I can be converted away from derv!
DrP
Well, I recently bought a diesel. Basically because the car we wanted only came in diesel - a 10-year-old Volvo. But it's a combination of family car and shop van, so I'm still ahead environmentally I think.
Ransos & Edukator - the CO2 reference was a typo, had my head in work at that point.
Whoever said burning veg oil is cleaner - no its not, its the temperature that generates NOx not the fuel.
We have enough power for electric? Balls. Over the winter the grid has been importing vast amounts of power and capacity issues are only getting worse in the medium term as more stations shut down and no storage solutions exist. We don't even have a black start facility in Scotland FFS, if the grid collapsed it would be DAYS before we see power. All the renewables in the country are useless at restarting a grid.