Now there's another option, look at the screen you can even so it while changing radio stations.
Yep. But I generally like to have my phone sat in the centre console so that would be worse as it [i]would[/i] involve touching the phone [i]and[/i] taking my eyes off the road.
I guess for a Face ID-enabled phone the best plan is to mount the phone somewhere it can see you. At the moment I generally only do that when i'm using it as a satnav.
You sound like a hoot
Could have refrased that, but I'm feeling ill and grumpy.
It's not a game changer.
It's a marginal improvement.
It's very, very expensive.
I just can't see why anyone would buy one other than the 'prestige' and 'must have the news Apple product' because it's Apple.
Hense my previous statement.
same reason anyone would buy anything expensive and non-essential. a) because they want it and b) because they can afford it. HTH.I just can't see why anyone would buy one other than the 'prestige' and 'must have the news Apple product' because it's Apple.
Yep. But I generally like to have my phone sat in the centre console so that would be worse as it would involve touching the phone and taking my eyes off the road.
Well yes you do currently but you are allowed to change that, then all you have do is look at the screen a bit like when you look at the radio to see which station it's on on Sat Nav to check a junction.
I'm not saying that FaceID is flawless but no one has come up with something that is going to cause any major issues.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball a little with the X here.
I've heard a lot of people, like monkeyboyjc, saying that "It's very, very expensive."
My FB feed is full of people saying how ridiculously expensive it is.
But they seem to have missed that the £999 X was intended as celebratory prestige luxury model. The new 8 is the more mainstream model, starting at a more normal £699 (Apple RRP)
I was holding out buying a new iPhone until I found out the features/price of the new 8 or X. But the price vs features is too much for me.
I'm tempted to get a 6S. They're relatively cheap at £449 and have most of the features I need, including a headphone jack. I just wish it was waterproof.
Thanks for the tip to re-do the fingerprintID, just done that and added my forefinger too.... after all these years 😳
Do thumb and forefinger on both hands.
Plus your nose for the days you can't take your gloves and scarf off 😉
An action that takes all of two seconds, without taking my eyes off the road ahead, and is usually done while I am completely stationary.
Unfortunately the police are tightening up regulations (I forget where I read this but it was quite recently) so any touching of a phone at all when in a car could be prosecutable. I appreciate it is no more dangerous to Touch ID a phone as it is to fiddle with the heating or change a radio station but that's the way it's headed.
[url= https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2180138/phone-driving-law-fine-points-punishment/ ]Here[/url]
It has been illegal to touch a mobile phone - even with a hands free set - while driving since 2003.This includes using a mobile to follow a map, read a text or check social media.
The law applies even if you are stopped at traffic lights or queuing in traffic as your engine is still running.
You can only use a handheld phone if you are safely parked or need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it is unsafe or impractical to stop.
You can use hands-free phones – [b]as long as you don't press any buttons[/b] – sat navs and two-way radios when you’re driving or riding.
Using TouchID is touching a button....
Plus your nose for the days you can't take you gloves and scarf off
😆
Unfortunately the police are tightening up regulations (I forget where I read this but it was quite recently) so any touching of a phone at all when in a car could be prosecutable. I appreciate it is no more dangerous to Touch ID a phone as it is to fiddle with the heating or change a radio station but that's the way it's headed.
One of the first things they do at an RTC is confiscate drivers' phones so they can check to see if they have been used while driving.
Driving is the obvious one for me. Siri won't read out incoming text messages unless the phone is unlocked. Having TouchID means I can unlock it without even looking at my phone.
iOS11 won't allow this with do not disturb enabled.
But you shouldn't touch the phone as this is a traffic offence.
GrahamS - Member
Do thumb and forefinger on both hands.Plus your nose for the days you can't take your gloves and scarf off
Don't forget to download the iTodger app for when you're surfing the one handed web.
same reason anyone would buy anything expensive and non-essential. a) because they want it and b) because they can afford it.
And..... That's why I laugh at them.
Done some more reading on the new phones.....
Why does it have a glass back? It's there any advantage other than smashing and having to replace two screens when you drop it?
I have face id on my google pixel xl (soon to be upgraded to pixel xl 2 - watch the classifieds!). It works perfectly to the point where I forget its there. The phone activates as soon as I pick it up. No delay at all.
Don't forget to download the iTodger app for when you're surfing the one handed web.
Stop being a Clever Dick.
"I laugh at you for choosing how to spend your money"
How very strange.
Yes. This is why with Apple CarPlay, you cannot operate your phone at all (totally unlock able), the idea is everything is done via voice commands. So the real cause of any problems for GrahamS is actually just that his car is old and shit. 😆Unfortunately the police are tightening up regulations (I forget where I read this but it was quite recently) so any touching of a phone at all when in a car could be prosecutable.
Yeah I appreciate that john, but honestly I regularly still see people driving about with their phones glued to their ears, or worse still sat in their lap so they can furtively text or facebook!
The police seem to have enough trouble catching them, never mind trying to witness and prosecute a subtle two-second gesture made without looking maybe once a week.
I never considered it before, but an Apple Watch for £300 seems almost reasonable now the new Garmin Vivoactive 3 (slate) and Fitbit Ionica are £299.
It's just that damned everyday charging.
iOS11 won't allow this with do not disturb enabled.
It asks you after you've driven somewhere if you want to enable it, but I use siri via the steering wheel voice control button, so haven't enabled it.
I have face id on my google pixel xl
Have you tried it with someone holding up a selfie of you?
That was the fairly glaring security hole that the original facial recognition had, I'd be interested to know if they fixed it.
So the real cause of any problems for GrahamS is actually just that his car is old and shit.
😆
A law introduced when virtually no cars had touch screen radios or satnavs.... and how many million are there on the road now?It has been illegal to touch a mobile phone - even with a hands free set - while driving since 2003.
My Garmin watch last weeks on a charge.
the idea is everything is done via voice commands. So the real cause of any problems for GrahamS is actually just that his car is old and shit.
Very true. My car is a 2007 Focus, pretty far from the STW standard Audi, so yeah it doesn't have CarPlay. 😳
I still do everything via voice commands though, via Siri or voice-dialling bluetooth in the car, it's just that for fairly obvious privacy reasons Siri requires you to unlock the phone before it will read out incoming text messages.
My Garmin watch last weeks on a charge.
Weeks? Fenix 5?
Very true. My car is a 2007 Focus, pretty far from the STW standard Audi, so yeah it doesn't have CarPlay.
You can get CarPlay head units now.
Keep looking at upgrading my Samsung now my contract is up. Really shouldn't - it will make no difference at all to my daily life. None whatsoever.
And yet..
A law introduced when virtually no cars had touch screen radios or satnavs.... and how many million are there on the road now?
You still had to push buttons though just not on a screen a bit like phones in 2003.
Apple Watch ...It's just that damned everyday charging.
Every other day with Watch 2, not using it as GPS much. YMMV if you're using it to go running etc.
A law introduced when virtually no cars had touch screen radios or satnavs.... and how many million are there on the road now?
Agreed, but as I said they are tightening up on the laws so if you are caught touching a smart radio screen or satnav etc you could be prosecuted. It makes sense as fiddling with any of those screens distracts you from what you are doing.
It makes sense as fiddling with any of those screens distracts you from what you are doing.
Like lighting a cigarette or using e cig thing.
Drac - Moderator
"I laugh at you for choosing how to spend your money"
Like I said I'm grumpy and Ill, so maybe was a little harsh.
It's more of an amazement at how people waste their money on upgrading tech incrementally from the previous model - I'm the same for bike parts TBH and I'm sure there people out there in (or out of) the biking world that would smirk at me for that.
Just seen this on Twitter:
Frankie Boyle @frankieboyle
Set your Apple Face ID to your comeface, so that if someone mugs you for your phone they at least have to **** you off first
Like lighting a cigarette or using e cig thing.
Or eating or drinking a take-out Starbucks - you do know that if the police deem you to have been driving badly they can prosecute you for a great many reasons, not just Facetiming your mum.
Like lighting a cigarette or using e cig thing.
Exactly which is why there is a law that covers that too.
Exactly. What's the difference between a button on a radio and a button on a phone [in a cradle]?You still had to push buttons though just not on a screen a bit like phones in 2003.
In my car I don't use a cradle but my phone sits nicely in a slot in the centre console - I can press the power button once and then [as it's an Android and my car is a Trusted Device, the phone doesn't need unlocking] ask it to do whatever I want. It's quicker, easier and safer than inputting a postcode on the satnav!
Could you point me to the bit that says that's illegal.... because I can't find anything.Agreed, but as I said they are tightening up on the laws so if you are caught touching a smart radio screen or satnav etc you could be prosecuted
Do you stare at your radio for a prolonged period like you do when sending a text message or reading Facebook?
The law is to cover everything to stop people trying to wiggle out of it by saying I was just unlocking it.
Could you point me to the bit that says that's illegal.... because I can't find anything.
If I must... (first result when I Googled)
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/driving-laws-changing-heres-you-12669480
Can I press buttons on my phone to answer a call or change music?No, while it is okay to use your phone as a sat nav (as long as it is secured in a holder correctly, and out of the 45-degree angle of the driver’s view) - you can not press buttons on it while you are driving.
What about sat navs, or using my phone as a sat nav?
You can use your phone as a sat nav, but you can not touch it or reprogramme it while driving.
Using a sat nav while driving can be a factored in a careless or dangerous driving charge if it distracts you.
Exactly which is why there is a law that covers that too.
Is there ? As a non smoker I don't know, but it appears not one single smoker does either.
My car actively encourages you to press buttons whilst driving it to make it more efficient, it even has displays to give you live feedback on how to drive more efficiently....
No, that's careless or dangerous driving. Using a car sat nav itself is not illegal (even the police use them!).
It's not even illegal to have one [reasonably] located on your windscreen.
Meanwhile in the papers there is a story about a guy who was filmed behind the wheel while using two different phones and eating a bowl of cereal at the same time!
https://www.metro.news/driver-with-two-mobiles-is-a-cereal-offender/744036/
Is there ? As a non smoker I don't know, but it appears not one single smoker does either.
Not in control of a vehicle. Not many smokers realize you can't litter either.
Yes same law covers eating at the wheel.
I can press the power button once and then [as it's an Android and my car is a Trusted Device, the phone doesn't need unlocking] ask it to do whatever I want. It's quicker, easier and safer than inputting a postcode on the satnav!
Or setup Google Assistant with a trusted voice and you don't need to press anything. OK Google, Navigate to OL14 5PX
I do hope iOS 11 has improved Siri.
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**** it. I'll just use Google Assistant.
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No, that's careless or dangerous driving. Using a car sat nav itself is not illegal (even the police use them!).
I had already pointed out
No, [i]while it is okay to use your phone as a sat nav[/i] (as long as it is secured in a holder correctly, and out of the 45-degree angle of the driver’s view) -[i] you can not press buttons on it while you are driving[/i].What about sat navs, or using my phone as a sat nav?
[b]You can use your phone as a sat nav, but you can not touch it or reprogramme it while driving.
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It isn't difficult to grasp is it?
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WTF??
I must admit I was looking to this iPhone launch with some anticipation, having skipped the 7 & 7S models and the noise around the iPhone X I was ready to consider an upgrade.
But now I'm not. I've not been wowed enough to consider parting with £50 a month for the next two years to own hardware that'll turn my face into Apples version of Mr Hanky. As for the iPhone 8, well that just looks the same as a 6 or 7 and if I get a new phone I don't want to have to explain to everyone that I have - they should know by looking at it.
So thank-you Apple, you've saved me a fortune with your latest iPhone launch. I'll upgrade my Garmin instead.
edit - only ever used Siri for amusement, latest one being to say 'skaramoosh, skaramoosh can you do the vandango' and then let Siri do the rest.
if I get a new phone I don't want to have to explain to everyone that I have - they should know by looking at it.
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It isn't difficult to grasp is it?
Well you seem to be missing my point and I just cba explaining it.
It isn't difficult to grasp is it?
Only when driving.
Siri Vs Ok Google - no contest btw.
Well there is a bit though.
Because of the way that iOS sandboxes third party apps, even though it might be better at understanding what you actually want Ok Google isn't allowed to do half the things that Siri can.
Am I missing something here? This display goes edge to edge:
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And this is has a clear bezel/border, therefore not edge to edge:
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dmorts, you've won a t-shirt, congratulations
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Do Apple use the terms edge to edge?
Well, it doesn't go edge to edge either, there's a deep black band top and bottom, and zooming in shows each end has a radius that curves up to join a thin black line running up each edge, the iP X has an identical thin black line along each edge, where it curves around. Looks like edge to edge, especially as all four edges are identical, with the exception of the small 'notch' that accommodates the sensor array and camera, which looks fine to me.
Panic over you can keep warm.
Face ID works with hats, beards, glasses, [b]scarves, [/b]and other accessories that partially obscure the face. According to Apple, this is because the A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone X uses machine learning and a neural engine to recognize changes in your appearance.
Also interesting.
Touch ID locks a device after five failed attempts, but with Face ID, Apple is only allowing two failed attempts. After two incorrect scans, the iPhone X will lock and require your passcode to unlock again.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/13/how-iphone-x-face-id-works/
Do Apple use the terms edge to edge?
It's immaterial if apple are calling it edge to edge if every commentator and website covering the iPhone x is. I agree that strictly speaking.. its not 'edge to edge' It is nit picking of course, and it personally wouldn't stop me buying one if i could happily spunk that kind of cash on a phone, but it was the first thing that came to mind as soon as i saw the leaks... it categorically isn't edge to edge when you have competitors that truly are with their screen tech.
Still, bigger screen that a 7plus but smaller than a 7plus = win
It's immaterial if apple are calling it edge to edge if every commentator and website covering the iPhone x is.
So no then.
thing that came to mind as soon as i saw the leaks... it categorically isn't edge to edge when you have competitors that truly are with their screen tech.
Yes but Apple haven't claimed it was the media did.
Apparently there are problems with web pages having white borders to the left and right. Looks like Apple may have screwed up a bit here. Also (apparently) many of their native apps (such as contacts) don't allow for the notch either.
https://twitter.com/thomasfuchs/status/907764896829452288
It's just a phone. Even new bike releases don't get this much thread on here...
It's just a phone. Even new bike releases don't get this much thread on here...
...and yet every September the iPhone thread gets 10+ pages.
Edit: Ok, [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/iphone-7-8 ]last year was only 6 pages.[/url] I take it all back.
molgrips - Member
It's just a phone. Even new bike releases don't get this much thread on here...
You Sir are not new here...
We like Shineee..
Speshly when its Appleeeee iPhoneeeeeee
And we enjoy "healthy debate" and "engage fully and completely" and "respect others Points Of View" and "understand if your views do not match my own"
F'o the good of all Mankind.
YAY! Molgrips help make it to a dozen pages.
How does FaceID work for purchasing? Do I have to sort of leer over the contactless machine, or is it working from fairly oblique angles?
The SIM'd watch was more interesting to me - Strava, gps and emergency calls from a watch for 400 seems quite good
Mrs K has just revealed that on holiday 2 weeks ago she broke her Apple Watch that I brought her.
What a coincidence.
Not a big enough leap if it doesn't have a built in toothbrush.
The 8 seems less advanced than the cheaper 7.
Animated emoticons looks cool.
Rather have more battery power than gizmos.
The X looks nice but I'm keeping my 7 Plus. Rather give some money to charity.
How does FaceID work for purchasing? Do I have to sort of leer over the contactless machine
Discussed earlier, unlock then you have 60 seconds to present it to the contactless machine.
My point was partly anti-materialistic, but also pointing out that there really isn't much in the way of innovation, is there? It basically does the same things as the old one.
Much as I want to get a new S8 I've realised that it will be identical in use to my S6. All the same apps, the same OS.
The 8 seems less advanced than the cheaper 7.
How so?
Not a fan of the glass back, but the 8 has wireless charging, True Tone display, shoots 4K at 60fps (vs 30), the faster CPU/GPU (A11 v a10)
https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/compare/
Not a huge leap but doesn't seem like a backwards one either.
really isn't much in the way of innovation, is there? It basically does the same things as the old one.
Well the Face ID + the infra-red camera + neural engine + depth mapping AR are new abilities. As is wireless charging (for the iPhone anyway).
But I think the core functionality of smartphones is pretty well covered these days, by all brands, so the real game-changing innovations are a bit thin on the ground.
FWI, I expect I'll be sticking with my SE for at least the next three years, probably longer.
if I get a new phone I don't want to have to explain to everyone that I have - they should know by looking at it.
I know some of us scoffed at this comment, but it's a fair one. Loads of us - right here on this thread - are largely underwhelmed and unexcited by this new iPhone. As a few have said, most of us are more than happy with what our phones do nowadays. If you're happy with the function of your current phone, what else could persuade you to upgrade?
[i]The look and design of the phone.
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Apple keep releasing a new phone that looks just like the old one. That's a huge reason *not* to upgrade. If you spent £4000 on your latest Santa Cruz you'd want it to look different from your old one, no?
People are shallow. People want their new toys to look like new toys, not look like the old toy they've just replaced. This stinks of Tim Cook focusing too much on manufacturing economies of scale and basically selling the same physical form factor at different price points.
(Yes, I realise the iPhone X looks different, but the point is valid for the 8 )
So no then.
now who's being pedantic?
Call me judgemental, but I think someone who chucks out a perfectly good phone that works fine and does everything they need, then spanks the best part of a grand on a new one, [i]purely[/i] because they want everyone to notice, is a pretty awful human being.
So yeah, Farrell Reaction it is..
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bloody hell that was a bit judgemental.
Or a really nice one with money to spare.