[Closed] iPhone X

Have they mentioned whether or not the banks will accept facial recognition for contactless approval yet?...

That is surely a backwards step I feel they lose that ability.

I think we've reached maximum phone for 95% of consumers already.

I like my tech but when I upgraded last the price of the big name phones was just too much to swallow, and I've historically had high end phones.

The only feature I care about over my P9 for the next phone is waterproof, so it will likely be a midrange phone.

In had a Samsung with facial recognition about five years ago.

Which could be fooled by a photo, and did not have adaptive learning. I'll shit on Apple with the best of them, but their facial id will be better than what has come before.

had a Samsung with facial recognition about five years ago.

Yep, mentioned earlier, but it was a failure partly because it was easily fooled with just a photo of the user.

The hope was that Apple were going to do it [i]right[/i] using infra-red and depth perception. But if the demo failed then that's not so inspiring! 😆

It looks cool as ****, but I think I'll be saving my money for a new kitchen...

I knew it. No new Aliens have landed for a while so we are out of new Tech for a bit, reverting to human led organic development until we reach the pinnacle of our current absorbed knowledge

See pyramids, space shuttles, concorde and 650b for other examples.

In reality Apple now remains a niche market for the wrong reasons; financial rather than technical elevation beyond the mainstream.

Let's see UK pricing but I am guessing an iPhone 8 6GB will be £625-650 ? That would work for me as an upgrade from the 6.

The AR stuff is very cool and will sell a lot of phones.

The pricing looks nuts across the range, if I didn't like the idea of waterproof it would be the SE for me

So what's the difference in specs 7/8/x ?

Not the bull difference i.e. Things that actually make a difference

Edit: saw pricing starts at $1k for 64gb x. They wouldn't even say how much the 256gb version will be, and I bet that's the version you really need 😆

Kryton how is Aple niche, they dominate phones a tablets not just in nunbers sold but especially in profits. They are killing the competiton who can only hang in there by selling for very low margin

U.K. pricing equal to dollar apparently x phone is 999 quid. Jeezzzz,

That's kind of my point, fall from table....cracked screen, fall out of pocket....cracked screen etc etc...my 5S did it, my 6 did it, my SE hasn't done it yet but I've only had it since December so give it time.

Rather than blame the phone maybe you should be less of a clumsy ****er 😉

Let's see UK pricing but I am guessing an iPhone 8 6GB will be £625-650 ? That would work for me as an upgrade from the 6.

£699.

It does have inductive charging.

£1k???

FOR A TELEPHONE???

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FOR A TELEPHONE???

I think, in common with many smartphone users, actual phone calls are one of the least used features of my "telephone".

, they dominate phones a tablets not just in nunbers sold

Also, Android market share is around 80% (Gartner)

Hardly 'dominate' the falling tablet market, either http://fortune.com/2017/05/04/apple-ipad-tablet-market/

I do like that you can see Alexander Graham Bell's headphone cable underneath his jacket there.
Slightly disappointed he didn't have AirPods though.

GrahamS - Member

FOR A TELEPHONE???

I think, in common with many smartphone users, actual phone calls are one of the least used features of my "telephone".

I actually use mine as a telephone coz I can't text with such small keyboard nor can I see the text due to the small screen ... 😆

edit: When I called my colleague (he has this expensive big Samsung smartphone) he seems to be surprised to be called ... 😆

Kryton how is Aple niche, they dominate phones a tablets not just in nunbers sold but especially in profits. They are killing the competiton who can only hang in there by selling for very low margin

I'm referring to the past when they were a niche technology company doing something different. Now they are just a niche company because Thier content is more expensive than the mass market will accomodate.

I think I'll save my money for a bike.

Hence why a £30 PAYG suits you chewkw. Meantime I'm replying to you on my phone.

US prices are always quoted without sales tax (vat)

@Graham S as I posted I make/receive about 5 calls a week

Think I make even less than that Jamba. Easier just to send a text.

GrahamS - Member
Hence why a £30 PAYG suits you chewkw. Meantime I'm replying to you on my phone.

FOR A TELEPHONE???

I don't own a PC or a Laptop and everything I do online is done on my "telephone"

For work, It's also my daily planner, my only communication tool with the office and customers for calls, emails, texts, a satnav, a CRM tool, a camera, a barcode scanner for stock control, an access point for technical papers, a mobile card payment terminal and many other things I can't get through the day without.

£1000 is a bargain tbh. (Although my 7 is fine for now)

Ive had an iPhone since day one, and for the first few years i got excited as the tech evolved, but it reached what i thought was its peak a little while back and now its just about making it a little faster and the rest hyping up useless tech. Im sorry, emoji's? really, who gives a F@@@ about them. Because they obviously benefit my everyday life. pointless.

Ive slowly over the last few years been getting more and more pee'd off with all these launches, they just stress me out.
Then I saw the prices, you really must joking.
When my bro bought a SC 5010 and he mentioned the monthly payments I laughed, but now that looks rather tempting than paying more than that for a bloody phone a month.

I really miss some of the old Sony Ericsson's.
Sorry Apple, but your really not selling this.

Think I'll just sweat my 6 for another couple of years. A new battery last month has transformed it, it has a headphone jack, decent enough camera- will do for now.

In other news, I'm about to get a Mac Pro 1,1, 11 years old, to run El Cap.

Yeah, I think my 6 will soldier on for a while longer, even the 8 is just too expensive.

It's not that I even particularly like apple stuff, I'm just sick of being burned android phones and occasional poor compatibility.

@sterns

Same, for me peak iphone was probably iPhone6, even after a couple of OS "upgrades" it was as fast as my impatient mind wanted. That's the only thing I needed really no lagging and stuttering as I wiz about it switching from outlook to safari etc and ideally not getting all laggy when I'm on a call and need to bring up my diary etc. The rest for me is garnish.

I've never been brave enough to dunk my 7 in the bath and I've chucked every other iPhone I've ever had in the top of my pack on even the wettest days without worry.

My 7 is cool, but apart from not being knackered there wasn't my tangible to say it was better than my 6.

Iphone 6 remains the pinnacle(although I did like the 4) of Apple phones. So I'll keep mine a little longer.

Pretty happy with my new-to-me SE to be honest. Guts of a 6S but with better battery life and in the small form factor I prefer.

they just stress me out.

Bigger, higher res, display than the plus size phones yet the overall size is much smaller. What's not to like!

You lot watched it (I watched Mindhorn)

Is the 8 64gb £699 or whot?

Bigger, higher res, display than the plus size phones yet the overall size is much smaller. What's not to like!

I'm gonna stick my neck out and say the cost 😉

I suppose to a lot of people the ticket price doesn't matter - you pay £40-£60 a month for your phone and you can pretty much pick and choose your handset.

Perhaps because I haven't paid for my phones for years I feel like the one of the sane ones as others salivate at the thought of paying a grand for something with such a short lifespan.

you pay £40-£60 a month for your phone and you can pretty much pick and choose your handset.

😯

I think I pay £15 a month at the moment and I resent paying that much!

Surprised no one has mentioned[i]"Jony Ive"[/i]....

...That's it....GTF out of here and shut the door behind you.

I now believe that Jony Ive has been elevated on a waft of his own guff and exists purely in cloud form. Away from us slovenly beasts with our corporeal inelegance, he can be free to dictate his pure design brilliance on rounded edges and bezel-less bezels.

He has been sent to save us.

I've always watched apple iPhone announcements and thought 'yes I'm in the market for one of those in a few months'.

The iPhone X is waaaayyyyy too much for me. Wouldn't bother with the 8 either as a glass back is irrelevant as I'd have a case on it and wireless charging is completely pointless as I'm usually using mine whilst it's charging. For the first time in years I genuinely see no reason to switch.

@loddrik my upgrade is due Saturday but I'm totally with you.
First time I doubt Ill upgrade as no real point.
Ive been running iOS 11 fr a while now and a new handset won't feel any different.

I thought some of you would have been more excited about Watch 3 that can work without a phone next to it - sounds useful for MTB...

I have my phone in my bag in case of emergency, otherwise i don't want any distractions, im out on my bike to disappear and get away from it all

I thought some of you would have been more excited about Watch 3 that can work without a phone next to it - sounds useful for MTB...

The battery is pretty poor to start with. So I imagine with GPS/LTE running it's going to see it last about 2-3hrs.

I could be completely wrong of course.

The battery is pretty poor to start with. So I imagine with GPS/LTE running it's going to see it last about 2-3hrs.

"Anyone got the time?"

"Yeah, let me just check my AppleWatch. Oh. Buggerit."

iOS 11 users, any upgrades that aren't hardware dependant?

Is the 8 64gb £699 or whot?

Yes

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-8/4.7-inch-display-64gb-gold#00,11,20

I think my 6 cost £600 so an 8 for £700 seems reasonable, exchange rate is a bit worse than 3 years ago 😉

What is interesting for me is that the range is now very wide from the SE that I have through 6s, 6s plus, 7, 7 plus, 8, 8 plus and finally to the X.

The range touches on many price points, feature sets and storage options. It used to be one in one out but now it just seems to be expaning each time

For me the SE is perfect but of course, YMMV.

@peter yes that's a very good point about price range

I'll say it, I think for the majority of us peak iPhone was the 5/5S. There's been nothing really that innovative since then. This release will be met with a resounding 'meh'

Wonder how ApplePay will work with the face recognition thing. Some card readers have the contactless bit on the side so you'll have to do a funny sideways bow to get it working.

The 8 looks alright as long as its waterproof. Dunno if I'll just get the charging & headphone port on my 6 fixed instead though.

I'm just struggling to understand why anyone would pay that much for a phone, you can get octo core CPU's and 4gbs of ram, and expandable storage with a normal headset jack for half the price.

Water proofing is a good selling point, but other phones have that.

I'm just struggling to understand why anyone would pay that much for a phone, you can get octo core CPU's and 4gbs of ram, and expandable storage with a normal headset jack for half the price.

Because lots of people couldn’t give a shit about most of the things you said and just want the latest shiny.

Wonder how ApplePay will work with the face recognition thing. Some card readers have the contactless bit on the side so you'll have to do a funny sideways bow to get it working.

The 8 looks alright as long as its waterproof. Dunno if I'll just get the charging & headphone port on my 6 fixed instead though.

Do people not realise you can authenticate ahead of time for an Apple Pay transaction? Double-tap on the home button, give it your thumb and the text turns into "Hold near reader to pay" and you just wave it over the reader like any contactless card.

You'll do whatever the equivalent is for the face authentication ahead of time so you just put the phone on the reader, it won't need to have a view of your face.

^ I didn't know that, thanks!

@johnhboi

5/5S screen too small for me, 4S now looks like a postage stamp. I am yorn between normal and Plus sizing - bigger screen much prefered but worried the phone will be a pain to carry for when I am not wearing a jacket

I've yet to find a contactless terminal that takes ApplePay where the phone is in any position other than horizontally above it,

Ay? I've never had that issue anywhere.

I'm hoping the screen tech in the X (and UI changes it has forced) will eventually result in a smaller phone with a bigger screen, if you see what I mean Jamba. An SE size handset with edge to edge screen. I hate using big phones and tiny screens equally.

I think it looks great, but will certainly miss the ease of fingerprint ID unless Face ID (FaceID...FlacID?) works at funny angles.

I'll bet FaceID failings will be the legacy of this device. Fingerprint will be back on future top end devices…this is a stop gap.

Kelvin, I doubt it. As mentioned a bit above this recognition is way beyond the face recognition tech used before. It's bordering on Voodoo.

I have no doubts as to its capability, what i'm slight bothered about is its usability.

When my phone's on my desk, I can just tap the home button and it'll unlock and I can check my mail. All off to one side, nice and unobtrusive. If I have to pick the thing up and wave it in front of my face every time I want to use it, that'll become irksome real quick.

Yup, UX not tech failings. We'll see… touching a phone is obvious/necessary, so I still expect fingerprint to return.

I used to think wireless charging was awesome, until I actually had a phone that used it. Stopping charging everytime you pick it up to check STW is pretty annoying.

Wireless charging *is* awesome but depending on usage it might be your third charger - one in car, one on office desk and one in home.

For my work as office dweller it worked just fine.

Well I've just watched a few clips of the iPhone 8, more a brief synopsis than anything else.

This wireless charging facility is fine, but is there a lightning port for "normal" charger charging... assume there is but the pics and vids don't show the port.. unless it's a bit early and my eyes haven't opened quite yet.
And.. assuming there is a,lightning port, have to assume you can still use normal headphones with the adapter...

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I'm just struggling to understand why anyone would pay that much for a phone

True. But I wonder what people would be prepared to pay for a phone, games console, pretty capable and decent camera, a pretty decent camcorder, a wireless music and media player, a portable computer, a multi functional GPS navigation device, a device that can control multiple devices in your home from anywhere in the world, and Amazon Dot/Echo type of device etc. etc. etc. I could go on if I invested more time. But if you go out and buy a individual devices that can do all of that for under £1000 then you'll have a very good point. In fact this phone does all of this for only a few hundred pounds more than a Miele washing machine.

OK so you might say "all i want is a phone". Well that's like someone looking at buying a Ferrari and saying to the salesman salesman "all I want is something to do the weekly shop in and go to work in"......then you don't want a Ferrari then, you want a Ford Focus. It's OK not to want an iPhone or even a smartphone for that matter. People won't judge you.

So how much would an acceptable price be for such a device? Bearing in mind people seem to forget, or be ignorant of the fact that these things are high tech devices. This technology didn't exist only a few years ago. This technology has to be developed. That takes years and millions if not billions of pounds of investment to develop the tech and brings these products to market. That millions or billions of pounds of investment has to be paid back....with interest, over only a handful of years as these products only have a life span on a few years before they are obsolete.

And.. assuming there is a,lightning port, have to assume you can still use normal headphones with the adapter...

The adaptor is in the box IIRC from a quick look at the Apple website last night.

RE the sideways card reader: the garage nearest my house and the one nearest my work both have sideways contactless. It exists. It's real. I didn't make it up to diss the iPhone.

However, Simon_g has blown my mind with the idea that I can pre-authenticate.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PIXEL-Phone-Google-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B01M8KJ0XC
How does 540 quid with free delivery sound?
https://www.carphonewarehouse.com/google/pixel-xl.html#!colour=black&capacity=32GB&dealType=sf

I admire Mike's commitment to the cause.

I don't quite understand posting links to a, soon to be superceded, Android flagship phone on an iPhone thread. But I applaud the consistency.

Yeah I know, rumour has it coming in 40-50 quid more for the new one, launching soon so it's very comparable
It was answering this particular comment

So how much would an acceptable price be for such a device? Bearing in mind people seem to forget, or be ignorant of the fact that these things are high tech devices.

Jamie 🙂

iPhoneX you can still enter a passcode, when Phil (?) did the live demo the first X didn't recognise him and passcode screen came up so he went to a second phone. Same as TouchID you don't have to use it.

Lightning port is standard one as per now. The X does not come with a wireless charging pad they are extra $40 or so

As for price and value that's up to individuals, I'd rather have an 8 for £700 than an X for a £1000. I'd rather have an X than spend £1000 on a pair of Fox Forks, seems to me the phone does a lot more for my money

I’m a big Apple fan boy but there is no way the iPhone x has an edge to edge screen. Have they not seen the Samsung Galaxy Edge! The problem with android phones is they are just so awful to use. They certainly have some great features and had had tech for years that Apple is now just getting but I find the combined experience not very good. However I am bored of the Apple tech and the loss is the good days when companies came out with distinctive designs that used different materials. Everything now just seems the same. I don’t think £1000 is really that bad when I take into account how much I use my phone day in day out. I generally keep my phone for 2 years so that works out £1.30 a day.

Is it overpriced compared to the competition, for sure. But than again so is Santa Cruz compared to a Canyon.

It does amaze me that one of the richest and largest companies in the world brings tech to the market years after others and aesthetically at least has so few options.

It's not whether an iPhone is worth £1000, it's whether it's worth several hundred pounds more than something else. I had a work iPhone 6. It was fine, but not worth the extra compered to my own phone. In my view.

Simple point is how much does a device with all this functionality cost? Answer less than the apple ones If my facebook feed and this thread are anything to go by sales will be down, plenty of people not going ot drop that sort of cash and will seriously start looking around.

Not sure the Apple competition is cheap enough to be a significant threat, and Apple can afford to weather the storm for some time. Apple have the bases covered. The X, the premium product for those who do want to stick a couple up at the Jones' and have the cash or access to credit to have one. The 8 for those early adapters and Apple enthusiasts and big corporations (the company I work for has jumped ship to Apple and buys tens of thousands of the things every year)and still the cheaper 7, 6s and SE for those (the majority) who don't have the readies. After all the SE 6s are hardly crap phones and perfectly capable for the vast majority of us. I've just sorted my daughter out with her 'first smartphone' (seems to be a rite of passage these days) and went in assuming there was no way she'd be walking out with an Apple phone...maybe an SE, but she ended up with a 6s, they were virtually giving them away.

A lot of the stuff like edge to edge screens that the competition try to differentiate themselves with are not really important - who gives a stuff if you have 1mm of an edge around the screen?! and shows the competition are running out of ideas.

Sales may very well be down, and the X wont be Apples best seller (is not intended to be - its their premium and more discerning product), but sales are slowing anyway for all manufacturers not just Apple, but it's Apple who have more hard cash in the bank than pretty much any country in the world.

sales will be down, plenty of people not going ot drop that sort of cash

They will buy an 8 then for £700 or one of the other cheaper Apple models. The X is pitched as their (ultra?) premium phone

Overall sales have been down across the board, CarPhoneWarehouse noted that on a recent profit warning. People are keeping their phones longer, you can see this on this thread.

Thanks for clearing up the lightning port stuff..

Sure more intimate details will be coming through the next few days, I'm looking forward to hearing/reading about them.

I'm pretty much decided on buying an 8 now, since it's pretty much "still normal in an everyday use" way.

Now, what colour ? Gold again ??

[i]I'd rather have an X[/i]

Minor point, but it's "a X" not "an X". It begins with T 😉

It's pretty inspired thinking though isn't it. Sell a fancy phone for mega bucks and then sort of the same thing with a screen that goes right to the edges for a bit more.

TBH I hadn't put 2+2 together, the gimmicky facial recognition thing isn't a added thing, it replaces the finger print reader because there's no button, I'm out - no way I'm doing the selfie pose to unlock the thing (I use the reader constantly).

FaceID UX comments …
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/face-id-on-the-iphone-x-is-probably-going-to-suck/?amp=1
Fingerprint will be back on halo devices, just as soon as they can combine it with the chinless format of big screen small footprint phones.