[Closed] iPhone 5

Not unless I 'accidentally' break my 3GS and work replaces it with a 5, I'm guessing there's still plenty of 4's in warranty stock though 🙁

Are they going to put Flash on it?

Hope not.

I will probably get one when then come along. And I bloody hope they don't put flash on it!

Nice to see the phone recycle sites will take £300 for my 15 month old iphone 4! Amazing residual value.

They won't put flash on it. Too much loss-of-face aside from all the technical reasons not to.

Flash is my deal-breaker. I hope that's why it's been delayed.

Unless Samsung win their tit-for-tat court case in which case you could be waiting for a while...

Flash is my deal-breaker. I hope that's why it's been delayed.

They won't put Flash on it.

[url= http://www.pcworld.com/article/240095/windows_8_update_the_end_of_adobe_flash.html ]Even the new Windows 8 doesn't support flash[/url] on tablets/phones.

I'm due an upgrace so will be looking at them with interest and as yet I've to find a time I've needed to use Flash on my iPhone.

Tbh when I briefly had a galaxy s2, I found flash just slowed down what was otherwise a superb browsing experience.

I hope it is released in October as my contract finishes in November and I quite fancy a cheap iPhone 4.

want one!

I find flash works fine on my HTC Desire S though I did manage ok without it on my previous iPhone. It is quite useful actually being able to run full (eg non-mobile) sites at times though as the mobile versions often aren't great and it's suprising just how much flash there does seem to be.

I can't believe they're not putting Flash on it 🙁

Like I said, loss of face would mean that they won't do it.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

Besides, the volume of the iPhone market means that any serious website has to cater for them meaning that there's a flash-free version.

Got an iPhone 4 and happy with it. will keep it till my contract runs out in a year then look to see whats about, maybe a 6 if they're out by then

I can't believe they're not putting Flash on it

Why? In 2.5 years of iPhone usage, I can't think of one time when it's been a problem

I won't be getting a 5. My 32gb 4 is perfect right now, and I've got 6 months contract to run. I'll wait for the IP6 🙂

Darcy, you can just find me here instead! 😉

dd: is there a particular site you want Flash for?

If it is just for video then most good sites already offer HTML5 video instead, which also has the advantage that it takes less time to download and uses less of your data allowance.

Most other Flash video can be played by using the Skyfire browser, which converts Flash video to HTML5 on the fly.

But if it is for something more complicated (i.e. Flash games or apps) then you're pretty much stuck and you'd have to go for a 'droid.

It's a massive disappointment. 🙂

is it definitely an iphone 5 that is being released, and not a 4 (S) or evne new software??

where did you read this, or is it just rumours?

be prepared for a 4S (iPhone 4 look-a-likey) 🙁

many flash sites are designed for 'mouseovers' and the like - just can't work with touchscreens. flash is dying fast anyway. The only thing you miss is video clips on BBC news and the like - daft way do deliver video anyway.

I can't believe they're not putting Flash on it

I can't believe anyone would think they would. Apple and Adobe are most categorically not sitting in a tree.

Can't say as I'd miss it, personally. I like my websites to stand still when I'm trying to read them.

is it definitely an iphone 5 that is being released, and not a 4 (S) or evne new software??

New phone is definite.
But no one is sure if it will be an iPhone 5, a "4S" or possibly both.

New software is also definite. iOS 5 is already available to developers and the features are well known.
http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/features.html

Will iOS6 have Flash do we think?

No, no I don't think it will. 🙄

flash is on the way out ... if its not been on the previous 4 versions of the iphone, multiple ipods and 2 ipads, then its never going to be ( not officially anyway ) ...

personally, I cant stand flash, hate it. hate the websites that are completely written them, just always been something i've never liked. HTML5 is the future.

As for the iphone5 ... macrumors show some good pictures of new case designs which show it being a wedge shape ... dont think I would like that. I like the current iphone4 shape and feel ... just the screen a little small.

( I actually have a Galaxy S2 for the bigger screen, but still like the oiphone )

Will iOS6 have Flash do we think?

Not getting an iPhone5 (no money and my 3gs still works) but I'm looking forward to iOS5, mainly for full mirroring the iPad2 to AppleTV

DD stop trolling 😉

Ok clubber 🙂

Apple and Adobe are most categorically not sitting in a tree.

Which is weird because one of the main reasons most have for choosing a mac rather than PC is the graphics type work and the adobe software is still the choice on a mac for most.

Still rather confused by the flash thing - what hae I've been missing out on without it? I don't game al all and use my phone for very limited amounts of complex surfing so maybe it's my use that means I've never felt it a problem.

I'm still using a iphone 3g and do find it a bit slow but prefer it as a thing in my pocket to wife's b'berry or friend's android devices so seriously thinking of either buying a 5 direct from apple or getting a new contract phone.

It will be interesting to see how much better it is than the existing iphone4 and if the differences are small I'd be tempted to get a 4 instead and saving some cash.

Still got a year left on my contract so will be waiting for the iPhone 6 - probably.

If I can get £300 for my iPhone 4 then who knows.

Flash is my deal-breaker. I hope that's why it's been delayed.

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Jesus-phone?

I'd only want one to learn the inner-workings of it, not to actually use.

Lost me Jimmers.

Jesus-phone?

Genius!

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Been reading El Reg too much....

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Im not sure flash is "dead" as such. It stil has lots of uses within the web industry. It is a good thing for website design specifically that the iphone has been such a success as without it the move towards html5 /css3 would be much slower.

It is all about using the right tool for the job, e.g. you would struggle to make something as interactive as the club penguin site without flash.

I am very, very happy the splash page / intro movie is dying out and that designers generally are thinking a little more about building their websites for their target market.

Wait, was dd trolling? I thought he was just a bit simple. 😉

Bit of both in truth...

Correct on both counts G.

My contract on my 3G runs out next month, will have to look at prices - wil either go for a cheap sim only and stick with what I've got, get a 4 which will hopefully be a bit cheaper or just get a 5 and be done with it 😛

The trouble with Flash is stupid web designers who use it for the dumbest reasons, like for buttons and suchlike. Take the Glastonbury Festival registration site; you have to have Flash just to select a photo to register. WTF! how stupid is that? I should be able to take a photo of myself with my phone's front camera, select it from the library and select 'send'. It should NOT be necessary to have Fladh for such a simple process. I recently bought a new computer, a Mac Mini, and I haven't installed Flash on it, I've just installed Chrome which natively decodes Flash, which is all I need. Bu99er having Flash on my phone for ridiculous mouse-hover features.

its interesting to see the turn in public opinion from flash being a must-have to being a must-not-have. Its stupid phones don't have it. It wouldn't work for every flash page, sure, but it would work well for videos and the like. Forcing technology forwards just raises costs for everyone.

I'm struggling to think what the new iphone will have - but I suspect it'll be a very minor 'innnovation' thats available on other platforms already. Its only a matter of time until its available in 3d, but until then, a bigger screen with no border, perhaps, 720p/1080p video recording (if its not already there) and a micro usb charging port seem the obvious inclusions. perhaps 64gb memory as well

micro usb charging port seem the obvious inclusions.

Heh.

been following things on various rumour sites and it would seem there is an iPhone 5 coming out and an iPhone 4s which will be pointed at the chinese market mainly. They will both be very similar if not the same shape as the current iPhone 4, with an 8mp camera and faster processor. Obviously all ith iOS 5 which is thought to be announced at the same time which will have lots of big changes compared to the iOS 4. so they say...

I'm getting one, want one so bad.

I know I don't neeeeed Flash but it would still be nice to have so I don't get irritated by seeing a blank space in a website or can't view videos on certain websites.

Seems people are so keen on there being no downsides in their i-device that they will defend its shortcomings against common sense.

I'd be happier if it was more adaptable, that's all.

Ive pre-ordered on & am on the waiting list.
I'm hearing there will be a 4GS then a 5 released.

I know I don't neeeeed Flash but it would still be nice to have so I don't get irritated by seeing a blank space in a website or can't view videos on certain websites.

[url= http://www.skyfire.com/en/product/iphone ]Skyfire[/url] may help you out for some videos.

Looking forward to iOS 5. 90% of the bells and whistles of the iPhone 5 on my perfectly functional 4.

Cant believe there are preorder lists. Took me a ten minute phone call the day the 4 came out to get mine.

Skyfire may help you out for some videos.

Cheers Jamie, I was aware of that.
Kinda makes my point that it can be useful to be able to view Flash.

Strange that some people get so defensive when you suggest this.

Strange that some people get so defensive when you suggest this.

Not me, no, not me sir. 🙂

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have just ordered a iphone 4 🙁

Cancel the order then?

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Brilliant, Kimbers!

Isnt flash rosco p coltranes dog?

my 3GS is nearly 2.5 years old now and showing the signs of ageing: case is battered, has a crack in the back and there are gaps in all the joins, screen is still ok just some minor scratches, battery lasts about half a day.
so, I'll be getting a new model unless it's uber-expensive.
I'm hoping for a bigger hi-res screen, more storage memory and for it to be thinner.

i'm going to buy one. worth it to annoy the haters.

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Another triumph, Dogbert!

I think Apple have done themselves out of sales by making the 3GS so good. I was considering a 4 when the contract on my 3GS ran out, but the change was hardly worth it. Even IOS5 is going to run on the 3GS, so I don't yet have a compelling reason to upgrade until the software updates are no longer being offered.

For those with battery issues, I swapped mine over for £7 from eBay - well worth it.

I'd have to disagree with the above, the 4 was so much better than my old 3gs, display, speed and especially battery life were so much better. Not long sold my 4 but the wife still has her 3gs and is feels crap by comparison. Feels MUCH MUCH nicer to hold though.

Seriously? The 4 is a huge improvement on the 3GS - speed, screen resolution, camera flash...

The 3GS runs pretty slow compared to the 4 as well.

Also battery life is about 5x better and 100x better if you're out of coverage.

The iPhone 3G has long been the best to hold I reckon, just fits the hand so well

Cheers Jamie, I was aware of that.
Kinda makes my point that it can be useful to be able to view Flash.

Makes the point that just about the only thing people might actually want to have Flash for is video - which is far better handled by HTML5 (loads faster, less data usage).

Strange that some people get so defensive when you suggest this.

Not being "defensive" - just explaining the position.

The only thing I'd [i]need[/i] Flash for would be video. But most decent websites offer HTML5 videos these days and the ones that don't can be handled by Skyfire. So I don't need Flash - and as a bonus my browser is stable and doesn't eat my data allowance downloading pointless flash adverts.

I'm hoping for a bigger hi-res screen

No way they'd go higher resolution (i.e. pixel-density/ppi) than the iPhone 4 Retina screen - it is already the market leader by a long shot. They might make the screen physically larger - though that would mean lowering the actual ppi unless they decided to add more pixels (unlikely as it would mean rejigging all the apps to fit).

Maybe it's that I don't really care for the camera on the phone, I rarely use it. Screen resolution wasn't enough of a reason to get a new phone, nor was battery life when I can charge it daily if I need to. I just thought that there was no point in getting a 4 because the reason I like the iPhone is for the software, something replicated across the current range. Once there is a clear distinction between the iOS features on different phones, I'll consider it again.

What an awesome thread, only Apple fans could convince themselves an absence of Flash was a good thing. If you think it's on it's way out you've spent too long on your iPhone browsing, hell, even this page has Flash applets running.

HTML5 is another one of those standards, that's going to be different on every browser for donkeys. The very fact that [url= http://www.html5test.com/ ]http://www.html5test.com/[/url] exists is testament to this. Once everyone has rewritten all the memory hogging pages into HTML5 do you really think they'll be swift? Do you seriously think the language is the slow part?

Why couldn't Apple give the option in a menu somewhere at very least? Maybe they're concerned everyone will go off and play Flash games rather than fill their coffers from the market.

the only thing people might actually want to have Flash for is video

Explain to me why you won't say "Sometimes it would be good to have Flash so I can view the websites that use it"

I bet no-one can force that simple and obvious statement from your lips.

Why is that?

Steve Jobs wrote a letter saying why it wasn't any good.

That's good enough for me...

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hell, even this page has Flash applets running

Adverts. So what am I missing?

If you think it's on it's way out you've spent too long on your iPhone browsing, hell, even this page has Flash applets running.

Really? Not seeing any of them because my work laptop has Flashdance installed. Any of them doing anything exciting and useful then? Contributing to your browsing experience in any useful way?

Or by "Flash applets" do you just mean adverts (I'm a Premier member so I don't get many adverts).

Explain to me why you won't say "Sometimes it would be good to have Flash so I can view the websites that use it"

I bet no-one can force that simple and obvious statement from your lips.

Why is that?

I'd be quite happy to say that.

If there was a browser available on iPhone that could run Flash then I probably would install it just in case I ever came to a site that I really needed to use and, due to terrible web design, I couldn't do so without Flash.

But so far that hasn't happened. The only thing I currently miss it for is video, and that is dealt with by Skyfire.

The only thing I currently miss it for is video, and that is dealt with by Skyfire.

...so you are saying it would be good to have the feature on your i-device then.
Or am I missing something?

...so you are saying it would be good to have the feature on your i-device then.
Or am I missing something?

? I'm saying [i]"I already have the feature on my i-device in the form of Skyfire and I find that meets my needs adequately. YMMV."[/i]

See, I've yet to have a bad experience with Flash.
My system doesn't crash, the videos run smoothly, I don't suffer from over-memory usage problems.

What issues am I supposed to be having with Flash?

? I'm saying "I already have the feature on my i-device in the form of Skyfire and I find that meets my needs adequately. YMMV."

....so if the iPhone5 had it embedded in the software then... it'd be a good thing, surely?