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its interesting to see the turn in public opinion from flash being a must-have to being a must-not-have. Its stupid phones don't have it. It wouldn't work for every flash page, sure, but it would work well for videos and the like. Forcing technology forwards just raises costs for everyone.
I'm struggling to think what the new iphone will have - but I suspect it'll be a very minor 'innnovation' thats available on other platforms already. Its only a matter of time until its available in 3d, but until then, a bigger screen with no border, perhaps, 720p/1080p video recording (if its not already there) and a micro usb charging port seem the obvious inclusions. perhaps 64gb memory as well
micro usb charging port seem the obvious inclusions.
Heh.
been following things on various rumour sites and it would seem there is an iPhone 5 coming out and an iPhone 4s which will be pointed at the chinese market mainly. They will both be very similar if not the same shape as the current iPhone 4, with an 8mp camera and faster processor. Obviously all ith iOS 5 which is thought to be announced at the same time which will have lots of big changes compared to the iOS 4. so they say...
I'm getting one, want one so bad.
I know I don't neeeeed Flash but it would still be nice to have so I don't get irritated by seeing a blank space in a website or can't view videos on certain websites.
Seems people are so keen on there being no downsides in their i-device that they will defend its shortcomings against common sense.
I'd be happier if it was more adaptable, that's all.
Ive pre-ordered on & am on the waiting list.
I'm hearing there will be a 4GS then a 5 released.
I know I don't neeeeed Flash but it would still be nice to have so I don't get irritated by seeing a blank space in a website or can't view videos on certain websites.
[url= http://www.skyfire.com/en/product/iphone ]Skyfire[/url] may help you out for some videos.
Looking forward to iOS 5. 90% of the bells and whistles of the iPhone 5 on my perfectly functional 4.
Cant believe there are preorder lists. Took me a ten minute phone call the day the 4 came out to get mine.
Skyfire may help you out for some videos.
Cheers Jamie, I was aware of that.
Kinda makes my point that it can be useful to be able to view Flash.
Strange that some people get so defensive when you suggest this.
Strange that some people get so defensive when you suggest this.
Not me, no, not me sir. 🙂
have just ordered a iphone 4 🙁
Cancel the order then?
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Brilliant, Kimbers!
Isnt flash rosco p coltranes dog?
my 3GS is nearly 2.5 years old now and showing the signs of ageing: case is battered, has a crack in the back and there are gaps in all the joins, screen is still ok just some minor scratches, battery lasts about half a day.
so, I'll be getting a new model unless it's uber-expensive.
I'm hoping for a bigger hi-res screen, more storage memory and for it to be thinner.
i'm going to buy one. worth it to annoy the haters.
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Another triumph, Dogbert!
I think Apple have done themselves out of sales by making the 3GS so good. I was considering a 4 when the contract on my 3GS ran out, but the change was hardly worth it. Even IOS5 is going to run on the 3GS, so I don't yet have a compelling reason to upgrade until the software updates are no longer being offered.
For those with battery issues, I swapped mine over for £7 from eBay - well worth it.
I'd have to disagree with the above, the 4 was so much better than my old 3gs, display, speed and especially battery life were so much better. Not long sold my 4 but the wife still has her 3gs and is feels crap by comparison. Feels MUCH MUCH nicer to hold though.
Seriously? The 4 is a huge improvement on the 3GS - speed, screen resolution, camera flash...
The 3GS runs pretty slow compared to the 4 as well.
Also battery life is about 5x better and 100x better if you're out of coverage.
The iPhone 3G has long been the best to hold I reckon, just fits the hand so well
Cheers Jamie, I was aware of that.
Kinda makes my point that it can be useful to be able to view Flash.
Makes the point that just about the only thing people might actually want to have Flash for is video - which is far better handled by HTML5 (loads faster, less data usage).
Strange that some people get so defensive when you suggest this.
Not being "defensive" - just explaining the position.
The only thing I'd [i]need[/i] Flash for would be video. But most decent websites offer HTML5 videos these days and the ones that don't can be handled by Skyfire. So I don't need Flash - and as a bonus my browser is stable and doesn't eat my data allowance downloading pointless flash adverts.
I'm hoping for a bigger hi-res screen
No way they'd go higher resolution (i.e. pixel-density/ppi) than the iPhone 4 Retina screen - it is already the market leader by a long shot. They might make the screen physically larger - though that would mean lowering the actual ppi unless they decided to add more pixels (unlikely as it would mean rejigging all the apps to fit).
Maybe it's that I don't really care for the camera on the phone, I rarely use it. Screen resolution wasn't enough of a reason to get a new phone, nor was battery life when I can charge it daily if I need to. I just thought that there was no point in getting a 4 because the reason I like the iPhone is for the software, something replicated across the current range. Once there is a clear distinction between the iOS features on different phones, I'll consider it again.
What an awesome thread, only Apple fans could convince themselves an absence of Flash was a good thing. If you think it's on it's way out you've spent too long on your iPhone browsing, hell, even this page has Flash applets running.
HTML5 is another one of those standards, that's going to be different on every browser for donkeys. The very fact that [url= http://www.html5test.com/ ]http://www.html5test.com/[/url] exists is testament to this. Once everyone has rewritten all the memory hogging pages into HTML5 do you really think they'll be swift? Do you seriously think the language is the slow part?
Why couldn't Apple give the option in a menu somewhere at very least? Maybe they're concerned everyone will go off and play Flash games rather than fill their coffers from the market.
the only thing people might actually want to have Flash for is video
Explain to me why you won't say "Sometimes it would be good to have Flash so I can view the websites that use it"
I bet no-one can force that simple and obvious statement from your lips.
Why is that?
Steve Jobs wrote a letter saying why it wasn't any good.
That's good enough for me...
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hell, even this page has Flash applets running
Adverts. So what am I missing?
If you think it's on it's way out you've spent too long on your iPhone browsing, hell, even this page has Flash applets running.
Really? Not seeing any of them because my work laptop has Flashdance installed. Any of them doing anything exciting and useful then? Contributing to your browsing experience in any useful way?
Or by "Flash applets" do you just mean adverts (I'm a Premier member so I don't get many adverts).
Explain to me why you won't say "Sometimes it would be good to have Flash so I can view the websites that use it"I bet no-one can force that simple and obvious statement from your lips.
Why is that?
I'd be quite happy to say that.
If there was a browser available on iPhone that could run Flash then I probably would install it just in case I ever came to a site that I really needed to use and, due to terrible web design, I couldn't do so without Flash.
But so far that hasn't happened. The only thing I currently miss it for is video, and that is dealt with by Skyfire.
The only thing I currently miss it for is video, and that is dealt with by Skyfire.
...so you are saying it would be good to have the feature on your i-device then.
Or am I missing something?
...so you are saying it would be good to have the feature on your i-device then.
Or am I missing something?
? I'm saying [i]"I already have the feature on my i-device in the form of Skyfire and I find that meets my needs adequately. YMMV."[/i]
See, I've yet to have a bad experience with Flash.
My system doesn't crash, the videos run smoothly, I don't suffer from over-memory usage problems.
What issues am I supposed to be having with Flash?
? I'm saying "I already have the feature on my i-device in the form of Skyfire and I find that meets my needs adequately. YMMV."
....so if the iPhone5 had it embedded in the software then... it'd be a good thing, surely?
No, I think think he's saying that when he needs it , he's got skyfire which is different from being good to have.
I'm not the biggest apple fan, I'm a pc person, and I've always resented flash from it's early days as a cumbersome , intrusive means of having media rich content where it isn't necessarily needed.
Then you have adobe being soooo slow to update flash .... (Is there a 64bit version out yet ? )
I won't miss it
Ok, but what problems do you have with Flash now?
I just don't see any issues.
Really? Not seeing any of them because my work laptop has Flashdance installed. Any of them doing anything exciting and useful then? Contributing to your browsing experience in any useful way?
No, adverts, but I like the option of picking what I see 🙂
My point being flash is everywhere, and still offers more compatibility and power than the likes of HTML5. Phones are rapidly getting faster, running flash content isn't going to make them bat an eyelid.
What sites do you browse then? The front page is covered in flash videos, the BBC and most big content providers websites have loads of flash content. They can work around and use HTML5 in places, but then why should they have to bother? Especially when HTML5 is only partially supported in all browsers. In what way is HTML5 in any way better?!
Then you have adobe being soooo slow to update flash .... (Is there a 64bit version out yet ? )
64 bit doesn't mean it runs faster, it means it has access to more memory. Flash windows generally don't eat multiple gigabytes of memory.
But if it's running in a 64bit browser.... Such as ie8 etc ....
Anyways, I can understand why it became popular, but I'm just not a fan, maybe it's just me getting frustrated by sites which make too much use of it. I'd rather have an HTML coded page to navigate by, with some little additions of flash than a full screen animated page of pish which does nothing but waste time cause buttons and menus are doing daft twiddles.
What sites do you browse then? The front page is covered in flash videos, the BBC and most big content providers websites have loads of flash content. They can work around and use HTML5 in places, but then why should they have to bother?
Because the sheer volume of people who now browse using iOS devices means that the sites have to sit up and take notice of the fact.
Because the sheer volume of people who now browse using iOS devices means that the sites have to sit up and take notice of the fact.
Remind us again of what that volume is, when compared to the volume of interweb traffic that is from [i]other[/i] devices.
See, I've yet to have a bad experience with Flash.
My system doesn't crash, the videos run smoothly, I don't suffer from over-memory usage problems.
I can only conclude your very lucky then. Google "flash browser crash" or "adobe flash security" and read up on the various issues.
Flash is often cited as the number one reason that browsers crash or grind to a halt (that and the other wonderful Adobe product, Acrobat Reader).
Why do you think Microsoft has decided not to support Flash on Windows 8 tablets/phones?
Even loddrik on this thread said that "flash just slowed down what was otherwise a superb browsing experience" on his Galaxy S2.
What sites do you browse then?
My interests are many and varied. 🙂
The front page is covered in flash videos
You mean like the "[url=http://]Midweek Mini Movies[/url]" on the front page at the mo ferinstance? Yep, they're all YouTube and Vimeo videos. They get served as HTML5 and play just dandy on the iPhone. Ta.
the BBC and most big content providers websites have loads of flash content.
The BBC have an excellent app and the videos play fine in that. They can also be played just fine in Skyfire.
Most other "big content providers" stream video via YouTube which already does HTML5.
In what way is HTML5 in any way better?!
You don't need to install or update an extra browser plug-in from a third-party monopoly just to watch a video. A plug-in which has known stability and security issues and which even has its own tracking cookies which aren't cleared by your browser or controlled by your browsers privacy settings.
Also when you watch video with Flash you have to download the video AND the video player every time. That's kinda dumb. I don't expect a DVD rental place to give me a DVD player with the DVD. Especially if I'm paying for the postage!
And you have to use that player which the website supplies - even if you'd rather play the video somewhere else on a better player.
Remind us again of what that volume is, when compared to the volume of interweb traffic that is from other devices.
[url= http://www.tecmark.co.uk/uk-mobile-stats-2011 ]75% of UK mobile web traffic is from iOS devices[/url].
And I'd speculate that a pretty significant part of the other 25% will be from other mobile devices that do not have Flash installed or enabled.
...and from non-mobile devices? without looking it up I seem to remember it's about 90 odd percent in the UK.
And globally about 99% non-mobile access. - all using Flash capable systems to view websites.