[Closed] "I'm not a racist, I just have a drink problem"

What a dick. A bit like Mel Gibson, using alcohol as an excuse for being a complete ****.

unfair elfin - some of his best friends are, well, you know, err, 😉

I've said some absolute crap when I'm drunk, that I really didn't mean. None of it happened to be racist. But that's not to say we all have to jump on the racism bandwagon for this guy. Does he have a history of racist remarks?

Ban all alcohol , that will solve racial intolerance ! He is just another ass with an excuse for being a loon

Just listening on the radio; apparently this delightful person called Ben Douglas' female companion a '****'s bitch'. Nice.

Apologising is at least one small step, but blaming the drink is pathetic and cowardly.

Did Wonder and McCartney teach us nothing?

If he is a homosexual hairdresser then is he not in minority too?

So is Ben Douglas homosexual? If so the hairdresser might be "flirting" with him ... speaking in da gangsta style endearing street language.

[i]Just listening on the radio; apparently this delightful person called Ben Douglas' female companion a '****'s bitch'. Nice[/i]

Ah..
I was just about to post that sometimes people make jokes when they are drunk that don't come out as well as they imagined they would, but that kinda blows my point out of the water somewhat.

If he is a homosexual hairdresser then is he not in minority too?

Not among hairdressers...

The bloke's made a judgement based on the colour of someone's skin, then used deliberately offensive language to insult that person.

Racism. Simple as that. No defence.

but even when I'm so drunk I can't even remember my own name, I have never resorted to racially abusing anyone

I totally agree. 100% agreement. Yes, you are right.

But you are playing the race card again you know.

😛

Surely, with alcohol's renowned ability to loosen one's tongue, all that will come out is what's in there anyway. So, true feelings will be less repressed. In vino veritas.

+1

If a white person uses the 'N' word in the same spirit and to try and convey the same meaning as when a black person uses it, does that make it's use OK and if not why not?

BTW I personally find the word so bad that I can't even bring myself to type it out.

djglover - Member

Not among hairdressers...

But he could be one very queer person on the pull and he was trying to pull the homeboy. 😆

I blame the gangsta style street talking homies for over using all those endearing words to look cool. Just like their trousers falling off their backside. 😆

So the moral of the story if you have deep hatred for some people then avoid drinking alcohol near those people.

not that i am condoning the bloke, but good old singletrack.

never bat a eyelid at a long list of ism's and ist's, but anyone or anything to do with the colour of a person's skin.............get the pitcforks and nooses out............. 🙄

then used deliberately offensive language to insult that person.

I didnt hear the radio article but did he set out to deliberately be offensive or did his attempt at "patter" go down like a bucket of cold sick instead?

So racism shouldn't be tackled or challenged at all then Ton? 😕

anything to do with the colour of a person's skin.............get the pitcforks and nooses out

Bloody right an' all mate. No place for racism in any decent society.

Stoner; I gather from what Ben Douglas said, that it wasn't 'friendly banter', far from it.

Good on Ben for not rising to it. By far the better man.

fred, what about other ist's and ism's.
should they be accepted?

Surely if he does nothing that is racist while sober, then he's only racist when drunk...

...and if he stays sober he's not a racist?

No Ton; all forms of negative prejudice should be challenged. People should be free to be who they are without fear of someone else's hate.

exactly fred.

Stoner; I gather from what Ben Douglas said, that it wasn't 'friendly banter', far from it.

permission to pitchfork granted then.

all forms of negative prejudice should be challenged. People should be free to be who they are without fear of someone else's hate.

I can just see you nodding sagely at a tory and saying "I respect you for who you are"....

I think it's time we had a virtual lynching of some public figure anyway. Long overdue...

You guys are really over analysing the whole situation...

It was a Nancy boy trying to pull another Nancy boy by using the macho street gangsta style talk to pull the other, but the other refused to be pulled because he too wanted to be macho but London style. So the plan backfire.

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Fred, to many on here you are a public figure...

[i]No Ton; all forms of negative prejudice should be challenged. People should be free to be who they are without fear of someone else's hate.[/i]

What if you want to insult someone though?
By definition you're trying to be offensive, so referring to anything that may be considered offensive is fair game.
I mean is it it worse to call a person a ginger idiot, or a black idiot, assuming your aim is to insult?

True, Al, true, but I am unimpeachable as I never do anything wrong or say anything to upset anyone. 🙂

I mean is it it worse to call a person a ginger idiot, or a black idiot, assuming your aim is to insult?

Well, I spose as you're using racial characteristics (colour of hair, skin, etc), then both equally bad I'd say.

Surely if he does nothing that is racist while sober, then he's only racist when drunk...

...and if he stays sober he's not a racist?

Maybe it's nothing to do with alcohol, but more do do when he gets angry.

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when it suits then eh fred?

What are you on about Ton?

Jeez! Sorry to hear Fred.........

Fred, whatever you do, never buy a Dr Dre album, you'll have an embolism!

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Oh dear. Not quite awake yet Labby?

So what if a person is overweight, cult believer, handicap, female, non-white, homosexual, unemployed, large family, claiming benefits, recent immigrant and calling another person derogatory name?

I think it makes them a fatscientologistdisabledladycolouredlesbosdolescroungingslapperallysumseeking idiot.
But I could be wrong.

Well, I spose as you're using racial characteristics (colour of hair, skin, etc), then both equally bad I'd say.

Disagree. I think you have to consider the historical context too - i.e., centuries of suppression, slavery and racial inequality. Gingers are fair game.

Disagree.

You have the right to your own onion, of course.

But you're wrong.

I remember meeting a south african girl who ernestly told me about the 'bliks'. According to her, 'they can run but they can't citch', 😯

Germans wiv sun tans

No Ton; all forms of negative prejudice should be challenged. People should be free to be who they are without fear of someone else's hate.

I think what Ton is trying to say is that this statement seems to hold true as long as the view/opinion/preference/belief being held by the person is one condoned by you or anyone else.

The idea that we are striving towards 'equality' in the sense you've used it above, is a myth.

It's just about interest groups. At any one time, one interest group's ideas will be in ascendancy over another's. That's not equality it's just the ruling ideology.

Fred - I have a fat bottom lip (used to be much worse when I was a kid) and if someone takes the mick, I get annoyed, but that's about it. Facial characteristics / hair colour are simply not in the same league as persecuting someone due to their skin colour, for the historical reasons mentioned on page one. You cannot just discount that. These are two, totally seperate issues. I respect your right to be wrong though 😀

I think what Ton is trying to say

I'm not sure Ton is really sure what he is trying to say, to be perfectly honest, but your theory is an interesting one actually.

I respect your right to be wrong though

Thanks. I never need to rely on it, however, fortunately. Such is life.

Have a read up on Ginger/Red hair. Have a read up on cases of hate being directed toward people with red hair. You might change your stance, and hopefully, open your mind just a tad more too.

Ooh, here's one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/3233392.stm

IanMunro - Member

I think it makes them a fatscientologistdisabledladycolouredlesbosdolescroungingslapperallysumseeking idiot.
But I could be wrong.

Aha! You have infringed on the person's human rights and down right insensitive to that person by calling that person idiot because you are implying something else. I need to report you to the newspaper and make a name for myself.

😆

[url= http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100090027/lord-fellowes-is-right-posh-people-are-the-last-persecuted-minority/ ]Posh people are the only minority it is acceptable to persecute[/url]?

Thanks, but my mind is about as open as it's ever been - perhaps I should also declare an interest - my Grandad was Singaporian so I spent much of my childhood fighting loads of racist schoolkids (and not out of choice). One persistent offender (Oi - ya fuskin chinkie **** - yer ma still working doon the fuskin whoor-hoose? etc) even tried to run me over when he passed his test, screaming racist abuse all the while.... Still get the odd comment now, from 'grownups'.

So you'll forgive me for not changing my stance. Racial hatred is a a nasty, deep-rooted, historically documented issue. Slagging someone off for their hair colour / funny face is just kids' play in comparison and really shouldn't be confused.

Slagging someone off for their hair colour / funny face is just kids' play in comparison and really shouldn't be confused.

Nope, sorry mate, but as someone (not ginger) who was seriously bullied at school, I really can't agree with you on that one.

Nasty, deep rooted and historical racial hatred may be, but that doesn't make it any more of a burden to bear by the victims than nasty, deep rooted hatred motivated by any other feature.

What IS different about racial hatred, is that it's directed at a large group of people. And I think it's for that reason that it's considered a worse sin than just plain old hatred of a funny looking kid at school.

Well, there's proof you're wrong, U-R. ^ 😐

Sorry, but I don't make the rules...

geetee has just said what i was meaning more or less.
just that i dont have the wordmanship to do it like he does.

Point me at a ginger who's been lynched because of his hair. Very different. It's only [i]VERY[/i] recently that casual racism has been stopped in workplaces / schools - it used to be fine to all gang up on the black kid / worker* and make their lives an absolute misery.

*Still happens here in NE England, but don't want to get into a South Tyneside style Twitter fiasco so will not be pointing any internet fingers...!

Oh and gee-tee - I don't doubt your story and appreciate that any form of persecution is very bad news - just making the point that IN COMPARISON to generations of people being killed, injured and persecuted it's pretty small beans.

Not if you have red hair it's not.

Point me at a ginger who's been lynched because of his hair.

Erm, did you check that link in my post above? Bloke stabbed for having red hair.

You say you've suffered racial abuse, but you can't see that having a go at someone for having red hair (a [b]racial[/b] characteristic) is nowhere near as bad?

or if you are fat, gay, unintelligent, a gypsy or a 29r rider.

Point me at a ginger who's been lynched because of his hair.

I can point you to plenty of funny looking kids that have taken their own lives because their life was made miserable by bullying. It's tantamount to the same thing.

UR I think I understand your argument but I think you're making it in a way that's not getting your point across.

I think what you're trying to say is that racial hatred is not just harmful to the individual, it's harmful to society. It creates a pervasive underclass because it is a hatred that is uniformly characterised and therefore easily recognised. It's because it is uniform that it creates division.

That's a different problem to the personal experience of hatred and it's one that isn't characteristic of say a ginger kid who happened to be bullied at school.

or a 29r rider

In fairness though Ton; they deserve it... 😈

You say you've suffered racial abuse, but you can't see that having a go at someone for having red hair (a racial characteristic) is nowhere near as bad?

geetee - that's exactly what I'm saying. Not getting involved in the 29er thing....

Erm, did you check that link in my post above? Bloke stabbed for having red hair

If you spill somebody's pint and don't apologise, you'll have a decent chance of getting into a fight - you cockernee git

Oh, so know you're hypothesising over what happened, to suit your argument...

Nope. Not going to work. You're wrong. Just accept it.

You non-London dwelling savage. 😉

Oh, and if I spill someone's pint, they apologise to [i]me[/i] for their pint getting in my way...

Gercha.

soz mate - I thought you was just a gobby dwarf 😯