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Woody, olives fine IIRC, its veg not fruit.
I like the beab salad idea, I've been making spicy lentils to accomapny meat rather than having rice / pototoes. If anyone wnat me to post a recipe for it let me know.
I might try something similar tonight with chick peas
It's Bodytrim [i]the weight loss secret[/i] by Geoff Jowett which appears to have the same broad principals as idaves (I haven't got idaves, could you ping me a copy so I can have a look please).
He has some interesting ideas, all of which make sense and really aren't very difficult to do. The hardest part for me has been eating at least every 3 hours, which is often difficult in my job, and [b]NO[/b] strenuous excercise for the 1st 4 weeks, with cycling not recommended - minimum 10,000 steps at walking pace is a requirement, which I have been able to combine with dog walking and slow pootles on the bike as I live virtually on the coast to coast cyle network.
I lost over a stone in the first 3 weeks despite the peanuts and a couple of 'mishaps' invloving cheddar cheese and plain chocolate digestives 😳
Reckon Olives are fine, imo
🙂
EDIT: Richmtb. Yes, if its not too much trouble, would like to learn about spicy lentils 😉
What is the word on olives BTW?
olives are fruit but luckily you're allowed to eat the pips 🙂
olives fine IIRC, its veg not fruit.
if a tree is a vegetable and the thing containing its seeds is a leaf/stem/tuber...
For any new arrivals.
SFB is interferring, hes been proved to be typing cr4p.
Hes full of it.
Ignore him.
If you have the info, then do what you want, post Qs and suggestions here, if you want, too.
😉
Cheers
Solo
SFB is interferring, hes been proved to be typing cr4p.
proved ? Perhaps the power of [b]solo[/b] can make an olive into a vegetable ?
Alexxx,
Don't get hung up on the slowing of weight loss, dropping a bit every day is what you need.
Your initial higher level of loss will mainly be due to water loss, refined carbs tend to bulk in your digestive system and hold a lot of water.
Okay Spicy Lentils:
You will need:
125g red lentils
125g puy lentils (green lentils)
1/2 onion very finely chopped
2 garlic cloves finely chopped
2 red chillies finely chopped
Small piece of ginger- grated or finely chopped (I cheated and used ground ginger)
1 Plum tomato finely chopped (I know tomatoes are a no no but its a small amount)
Turmeric
Garam Masala
Vegetable or chicken stock cube.
Fresh coriander
Thoroughly rinse the lentils in cold water and place in a large pan. Add enough boiling water to cover the lentils plus about the same again, season the mixture (salt and pepper or a stock cube if you prefer) and add about 1/2 teaspoon of turmeric. Bring to the boil and then cover and simmer for 20-25 minutes (check the mixture regularly and add extra water if it looks like its getting too dry) Try not to over cook the lentils or they will end up with no texture, although they will still taste okay
In a small frying pan fry the onion in a teaspoon of oil, after about a minute add the garlic, when the onion and garlic has softened add the tomato, chillis and ginger. Fry for about five minutes on a high heat until the mixture is a dry paste.
Add the paste to the lentil mixture and mix well. Check for seasoning / flavour. If its a little bland add some salt and plenty of garam masala (you can use curry powder / chilli powder as well if you don't have garam masala). If the mixture has a good flavour then go easier on the spices.
Chop some coriander sprinkle on top of the lentils and serve
As much as it pains me to agree with sfb, olives are the fruit of the olive tree.
The internet sez so.
Olives may botanically be classed as a fruit, but olive oil is sold as a vegetable oil !!
For me a fruit's not a fruit unless you eat it with custard 😆
Olives = fruit.
So, this last week was mixed success on the traditional weight loss/training plan. Gained 500g 🙁 possibly due to having missed my big ride on Saturday and having a big family barbecue on Sunday. Ate a lot of salt though so that may be part of it.
Clothes are still feeling loose, and the riding's going really well - so not all bad 🙂
For me a fruit's not a fruit unless you eat it with custard
So none of my finest tomatoes in custard for you then!
HD - it's a vegetable oil since the word vegetable means from a plant. So I suppose that technically fruits are vegetable, but vegetables are not necessarily fruit.
refined carbs tend to bulk in your digestive system and hold a lot of water.
did you just make that up ?
Yeap, debating what is fruit is playing right into SFB's hands.
Great looking recipe for the lentils
Thanks Richmtb
😀
S
There's two sometimes conflicting sets of definitions:
Botanical, based on where the fruit/veegtable is formed on the plant and where the seeds are etc
Nutritional, based on the composition of the item.
I've always seen tomato and olive classed as vegetable wrt their nutritional values - horticulturists, botanists and wikipedists may beg to differ 😉
Yeap, debating what is fruit is playing right into SFB's hands
I'm not sure it can be debated, it's a matter of taxonomy, like the diffence between a bone and a muscle.
HD - it's a vegetable oil since the word vegetable means from a plant. So I suppose that technically fruits are vegetable, but vegetables are not necessarily fruit.
with oil it's to distinguish it from animal sources, and might better be called "plant" oil, however the negligent naming of oil does not supercede the biology
a) Botanical, based on where the fruit/veegtable is formed on the plant and where the seeds are etc
b) Nutritional, based on the composition of the item.
and c) nonsensical, based on the arbitrary choices of an idealogue ?
also I think (b) is newly created 🙂
also I think (b) is newly created
Certainly is, it reflects the modern ability to analyse things based on their chemical composition and not on what they look like.....
.....can only at laugh your proposal that 'being new' is a reason for an idea or concept to be invalid 😆 🙄 😆
[i]can only at laugh your proposal that 'being new' is a reason for an idea or concept to be invalid[/i]
That is soooooo spot on HillDodger !
8)
S
an idealogue
It takes a special kind of geek to use that word for an argument over whether or not olives are fruit! 🙂
.....can only at laugh your proposal that 'being new' is a reason for an idea or concept to be invalid
I wasn't objecting to its newness but its arbitrariness. In terms of chemical composition there's not much difference between many veg and fruit when both are mostly water and cellulose
Theres quite a few recipes on here now.
I'm gonna have a job selecting which ones to make.
Excellent.
🙂
given that i had no interest or motivation in spending more time than was necessary to give general advice to a load of strangers, the most convenient means of giving advice may well have been to give a blanket avoidance notice on fruit - rather than an extensive list of what to eat or not to eat. the minutiae can be argued by sfb and his cyber foes. i hope victory tastes sweet. sfb's snitch-like glee at the categorising of plant matter has been one of the more tragic things i've observed on here, and that takes some doing. as an aside, tomatoes are deemed vegetables by law as they would not be generally used in a desert.
It takes a special kind of geek to use that word for an argument over whether or not olives are fruit!
why thankyou [b]mol[/b], nice to know you think I'm special - however, there is no debate, it's a done deal 🙂
I tend to agree with barnes. Olives and tomatoes are fruit - that is a fact. However they are often used as vegetables in the culinary sense, that is also a fact. But that doesn't make them not fruit.
I also agree with iDave in that it's really not important 🙂
sfb's snitch-like glee at the categorising of plant matter has been one of the more tragic things i've observed on here
You've not seen the 'World's greatest surfer' thread then?
Oh, and the tomato is a mammal. Everyone knows that.
My suspicion throughout has been that the fruit exclusion was nothing but a kind of dietary shibboleth, which iDave has come close to confirming 🙂
sfb - your suspicion is bullshit, which I'm sure you know, but if you want mark it down as another majestic online victory by all means do so. what a legend you are.
Fruit or no, isn't SFB's problem.
Claiming things are forbidden when they're not is just plain misleading.
Suggesting that Fruit is evil, is, err, just wrong and argumentative
As is suggesting/guessing that <50g of protein a day is sufficient.
Rather than starting his own thread to discuss what he wants to, he's tried to hi-jack this one and turn into a Wiki-Warrior contest.
The original idea for this thread is a good one, the suggestions are fine, and this thread has bean, and can be great for the exchange of useful info, in the spirit intended by the OP.
Barnes, you're wrong, wrong to the core.
Just a tired 50 something with a keyboard
A Kode-Kiddie without a reason.
SFB ? = SAD
My suspicion throughout has been that the fruit exclusion was nothing but a kind of dietary shibboleth, which iDave has come close to confirming
Wow, really scraping the thesaurus now aren't we 🙄
Is your misreading of posts due to your natural ignorance, arrogance or belligerance. 😆
web-geeks eh, who needs 'em 👿
I've bought diffrent types of beans and lentils....I'm really not sure what to do with them - recipee ideas please (I have taken note of ones on this thread already)
Can I just rock up to Asda and buy these pulses or do I need to make a specal trip to a head shop?
Yoshimi.
You've seen my Tuna and Beans offering, earlier in this thread.
Don't know about you, but I can't afford to eat tuna that often, but I'm thinking other fish will go with those beans, maybe even some red meat.
😉
Sorry I don't have any other suggestions right now, but I'm working on it.
I've noticed that the JO website has a Legumes section.
Cheers
😀
Solo
Got my pulses from Tesco.
Go dried or canned. imo the most important this is to give it a go
;-D
I reckon theres money to be saved going the dried route, but it obviously takes a little longer.
Solo.
I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it. For instance a tomato has roughly a third of the sugar content of an orange, so it may be a fruit but one that should be safe for this diet as its not going to cause the spike you would get with an orange or such.
Hope this helps....
I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it.
Most fruit does NOT give you a blood sugar spike. Fructose is a TYPE of sugar but it's most definitely not the same as glucose and sucrose (aka 'normal' sugar).
Aha, I bow to your wisdom Mol, your right, fructose only scores 19 on the GI scale..... so ignore me 😀
I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it.
fructose metabolism is quite odd from what I've read - it appears to piggyback glucose absorbtion in the gut, and is then converted into glycogen in the liver. However, as I've seperately read of a rate limitation to carb digestion, all talk of blood sugar spikes may be moot.
Fruit juice is high GI tho as after juicing, fructose degrades into sucrose and glucose.
as after juicing, fructose degrades into sucrose and glucose.
er no, it's a different molecule!
NB sucrose = glucose + fructose dimer
Oh I got that the wrong way round then. However - fruit juice is still high GI, isn't it?
EDIT: well whaddya know, it's medium.
Simon,
Of course I made it up, osmosis of fluids into a carb rich gut is nonsensical, isn't it.