[Closed] iDaves Diet Plan Members...

I think the avoidance of fruit is related to its high sugar (fructose) content, and the consequent spike in blood sugar after eating it.

fructose metabolism is quite odd from what I've read - it appears to piggyback glucose absorbtion in the gut, and is then converted into glycogen in the liver. However, as I've seperately read of a rate limitation to carb digestion, all talk of blood sugar spikes may be moot.

Fruit juice is high GI tho as after juicing, fructose degrades into sucrose and glucose.

as after juicing, fructose degrades into sucrose and glucose.

er no, it's a different molecule!
NB sucrose = glucose + fructose dimer

Oh I got that the wrong way round then. However - fruit juice is still high GI, isn't it?

EDIT: well whaddya know, it's medium.

Simon,

Of course I made it up, osmosis of fluids into a carb rich gut is nonsensical, isn't it.

osmosis of fluids into a carb rich gut is nonsensical, isn't it.

as I understand it, most of the traffic is outwards from the gut to the body as that's rather what it's for.

[edit] Wouldn't water going into the gut be a symptom of dehydration ?

Do veggie burgers count as fruit or veg?

As far as i remember glucose, amino acids and lipids leave the intestines via active transportation and diffusion, minerals and salts by osmosis.

Dehydration is prevented by removing the excess water in the colon before evacuation.

As an example Lactulose is a synthetic sugar which increases water into the system but does not digest, consequently it remains a sugar and holds onto it's water right through to the bowel, true sugars are absorbed and do not.

Anyway, I digress.

What I was trying to say was that when embarking on a reduced carbs diet the body does not need to put as much water into the digestive process so it excretes the not needed excess as urine. Consequently you are likely to see a marked initial weight loss.

This is my understanding of the systems, if I am wrong, **** it.

So my first day - I had scrambled eggs and ham this was a bit dull, lunch was a chicken salad was very tasty although it did have pineapple in it!!!!! Diner was chicken carrots green beans plus some other beans, my sauce was a bit naff that needs working on. water and coffee although I did mistakenly have milk in one coffee.

If I where a good cook it would be easy. Anyone have any nice simple recipes as so many recipes have around 20+ ingredients. I did eye up the blueberry muffins but just said no. 👿

Not a bad day I'll carry on tomorrow!

I am like you Tails and like to keep it simple. As a result I have bought most my beans canned. In morrisons they do Indian/Mexican and oriental mixed bean salads in water. So my plan is:

1)cook meat

2)add veg

3)add beans.

4)eat.

meanwhile back in the real world, i had a nice spaghetti bolognaise. 😉
my 1st carbs of the day................... 8)

Unfortunately I have bags of beans if only I had been smart enough to buy tinned beans.

What I was trying to say was that when embarking on a reduced carbs diet the body does not need to put as much water into the digestive process

but water in your gut enters via the mouth! It may be that carbs in the gut do entrain water, but I've never read that about before. How much water per gramme of carb ? What about other foodstuffs ?

[i]If I where a good cook it would be easy[/i]
Keep practising and you will be 😉

[i]Not a bad day I'll carry on tomorrow![/i]
Good effort, stick with it for a few weeks, see how you do.

[i]
Jamie - Member
I am like you Tails and like to keep it simple. As a result I have bought most my beans canned. In morrisons they do Indian/Mexican and oriental mixed bean salads in water. So my plan is:

1)cook meat

2)add veg

3)add beans.

4)eat.
[/i]

Now, thats a plan. Let us know how it goes 😉

Good stuff.

S

Could some kind person please send me a copy of the plan?

Thank you,

BB

me to please

thanks

So first day, and not feeling bad at all. Felt a bit of an evening buzz which was strange, didnt expect that 😀

Brekkie was nuts and coffee, then two poached with a bit of sausage

Lunch was a two egg omlette with ham and peppers, with a portion of boiled carrotts on the side.

Nuts in the afternoon with coffee

For dinner had a tuna bean salad tin with a side salad of mixed leaves, celery, spring onion, olive oil and a small dab of balsamic vinegar. Very tasty.

Hitting a bit of a craving thing now, but just going to have a cup of camomile tea to give me a taste.

All good so will try to keep it up 😀

Breakfast: spinach omlette
Lunch: Beans (all sorts), salad, quorn
Snack: Carrots
Dinner: Beans (soaked so many, I need to eat them...), stir fry with onions, chili, asparagus, mange-tout, baby corns, garlic, parsley...with a lamb style veggie burger

Feel full up, had 3 coffees before midday, but water since.

The first day is coming to a close. I think I feel hungry, but that is probably just greed as opposed to actual hunger. Had to turn down a trip to the pub, but then seeing as I have been practically living in a bottle of cider for the last month or 2 its no great shakes.

Simon - are you still prodding them? Try to get things right if you are going to.

TandemJeremy:
Simon - are you still prodding them?

It's more akin to a child stamping their foot in order to get everyone to pay attention to them 8)

.....and as sfb apparently has his testes wired up to get a mild shock every time someone posts on this thread, I will await his pithy rejoinder.

Try to get things right if you are going to.

surely my guesses are as good as anyone else's ? What did I get wrong oh gert swami?

I reckon simon's doing the idave diet/eating plan.

Wasn't going to post anymore tonight, but...

[i]It's more akin to a child stamping their foot in order to get everyone to pay attention to them

.....and as sfb apparently has his testes wired up to get a mild shock every time someone posts on this thread, I will await his pithy rejoinder.
[/i]

Jamie, thats really good.

Ta
😉

S

I reckon simon's doing the idave diet/eating plan.

wrong 🙂 I don't even know what it is.

Where's a good place online for recipes please? I've forgotton how to cook 😳

And I'm still waiting for breakfast suggestions that don't include meat or eggs. 🙁

And I'm still waiting for breakfast suggestions that don't include meat or eggs.

A carrot?

If I'm depriving myself of porridge, it needs to be bl**dy good 🙄

If I'm depriving myself of porridge, it needs to be bl**dy good

it beats the hell out of me! The only thing I'll have other than porridge is french toast with maple syrup 🙂 Or both...

Porridge with maple syrup - oh yes now you're talking. 8)

I tried the spicy lentils dish, put up earlier in the thread, last night - I may have got carried away with the chillies... I added chopped pepper & spinach to it, roasted chicken breast on top.

Most excellent, although I suspect my fellow workers may not think so later 🙂

GJ.

Sounds good.

Good to see some of the recipes, good folk have taken the time to post here, being used, and added to.

😀

Solo

I've not been following this plan but it has made me think a lot more about what I eat which is a good thing....I've not cut out carbs but I have cut down, I'm not stopping eating fruit as its nice but I am cooking things from sratch rather than processed foods, even made a salad dressing rather than one from a bottle, it wasn't horrible.

OK here is my best offering to the recipe collection, please try this it is one of the nicest things I know how to cook, I call it soup but really its more like a stew. Chances are you will only need to buy a couple of ingredients to add to whats already in the cupboard, and it's dead easy. You will thank me later.

Chop and fry 2 chicken breasts, put them to one side
Put a chopped onion and a couple of chopped garlic cloves in quite a bit of oil into a pan and heat through for 4-5 mins (soften them dont brown them).
Add a tablespoon of plain flour (or not if you are being super strict on the diet) and stir through for a couple of minutes until it turns gooey.
Add a teaspoon of harissa paste (sainsburys or waitrose sell this, dont think asda or tesco do) and stir this through still on the heat for another 4-5 mins.
Gradually add a pint of chicken stock
Then chuck in a tins worth of chopped tomatoes, a tin of chickpeas, a tin of canellini beans, and whatever other beans you fancy and throw the chicken back in.
Then add a generous teaspoon of paprika, and another of cumin, and whatever chilli you want in there (I use piri piri sauce for this, proper stuff not nandos)
Cook this through for another 5 minutes while you chop a decent amount of fresh coriander, throw the coriander in, stir, and serve.

Delicious

[i]but it has made me think a lot more about what I eat which is a good thing[/i]
I agree
🙂

[i]I am cooking things from sratch rather than processed foods[/i]

imo, thats a really good thing. I hope you stick with it.

Re: the salad dressing, have you tried the one I posted earlier ?.
30ml Olive oil
10ml lemon juice/white wine vinegar
10ml Dijon mustard
0.5g - 1g fresh ground black pepper
maybe a pinch of salt
And, if you're really pushing the boat out.
A very small blob of honey (~2ml)
All in a bowl and whisk.

Alternatively, websites for the celeb cooks all have salad dressing recipes/ideas, esp at this time of year, may be worth a look.
🙂

Steve-G
Like your style, sounds gooooood 😉

S

Today for breakfast I had some bacon. It was different as have been a porage man for many years. Tasty tho.

I've been doing this since Friday and have an interesting issue....

Normally Greenwich set their clock by my twice daily bowel movements. Since embarking on this eating pattern i'm down to a poor one per day. Now i beleive that most poo is largly dead cells, so i must be producing less dead cells. Which means more of me is living = iDave has discovered the secret of imortality. Or i'm egg bound 🙂

Now, where is that picolax thread.....

is picolax a Carb or a fruit and do i have to wait till my day off? 🙂

Now i beleive that most poo is largly dead cells

an interesting belief, however unless you only eat meat I think it's mostly fibre and water with some bile salts and intestinal mucus

Solo - the one I did was 3 parts olive oil to one part red wine vinegar, salt, peppar, wholegrain mustard

I'm liking the sound of that one with honey

SFB,"I think it's mostly fibre and water" does that make it a fruit 😉

from wikipedia "Its brown coloration comes from a combination of bile and bilirubin, which comes from dead red blood cells."

does that make it a fruit

arsebiscuits ?

arsebiscuits ?

Carbs then.

from wikipedia "Its brown coloration comes from a combination of bile and bilirubin, which comes from dead red blood cells."

but that's the colour, not the main component

I'm not on the plan - I fear with as a veggie it would be too difficult to get the variety but i am trying to eat some meals along these lines.

last night had a salad last night with the usual stuff; onions, peppers, lettuce (from the garden), celery etc. etc.

then chopped a whole courgette, griddled it and dumped it on top.

lovely

apparently I was wrong:
[url= http://chestofbooks.com/health/nutrition/Diet-Theory/Faeces-And-Their-Composition.html ]"Strassburger has demonstrated that quite one-third of the weight of dried faeces consists of bacteria, chiefly dead, and that 128,000,000,000,000 are evacuated daily."[/url]

Not doing the diet, but thought I'd share an easy salad:

Base:
* Rocket
* Yellow pepper (not sure if this is a fruit or not!)
* Spring onions
* Celery

Dressing:
* Juice of half a lemon (yeah, that's definitely a fruit)
* Small pot of natural unsweetened yoghourt
* Mashed garlic clove

Salt and pepper to taste.

You could stick some cold grilled chicken in there, too. Probably not tuna.

SFB "apparently I was wrong"

my work here is done, what do i win?

my work here is done, what do i win?

I will post you some redolent samples...

Probably not tuna.

try not to get too fond of this, we've nearly eaten them all 🙁

enjoying my home made soup, it was supposed to be Chicken and Leek, but i only had Turkey and not alot of Leek.

So it's

Turkey
Onion
Leek
half a bag of left over stir fry veg
two handfuls of perl Barley (left over from Tea)
Carrot
Half a Red Pepper.
Rosemary
Salt & Black Pepper

It's Excellent!

* Yellow pepper (not sure if this is a fruit or not!)

Applying the Custard Rule establishes that it is not.

Ah !, the custard rule.

Excellent !.

That one's a keeper 🙂

Dinner: Venison steak with a red wine, leek and (teaspoon of) redcurrant sauce, spicy lentils as per richmtb's choice recipe, and a lettuce, red pepper and raw beetroot salad. Aaahh, bliss.

Breakfast and Lunch were the eternal spinach and chorizo omelette, and carrot and jalapeno hummus.

new to this. Is corn (sweet / baby) a cereal?

And, what do you have for pudding. No fruit, no dairy....

Vinnyeh.

Just showin-off now 😉
That sounds real good 😀

ToJV.
I took the cereal remark to refer to box'd breakfast food, with milk, etc.

Stick your baby corn into whatever you're making, see how you get on.

Its a long thread now, but if you've the time, it may be worth a read.

Cheers.
😀

S

baby corn - I just love raw as a snack.

OK, not as good as Walkers, but that I guess is the MTFU bit.

I just had my nicest soup ever:

Asparagus, Baby corn, mange tout, runner beans, onion, garlic, chili, pepper, kidney beans, black eye beans, peas, leek, carrot all cut up chunky, simmered for 2 hours in a nice veg stock, bit of balsamic.

Ace.

chorizo and whatever vegetable omlette is ace. Spicy lentils were not so great need more spice.

I made those spicy lentils, I used harissa paste i had left over from my morrocan chicken soup as i didnt have garam masala, chucked in a load of piri piri sauce for good measure as i had that to hand and they were really nice and spicy. I have those with a salad and some chicken for lunch.

Singapore fried lentils anyone reckon that's a goer?

I took the cereal remark to refer to box'd breakfast food, with milk, etc.

now thats really pushing the plan!!

this is [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cereal ]cereal[/url]

this is [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast_cereal ]breakfast cereal[/url]

all IMO

so we have fruits that aren't fruit AND cereals that aren't cereal ? Would I be right in thinking that chocolate is a vitimin ?

Steve-g.

I admire youre resourcefulness, which seems to result in some tasty, spin-off recipes
🙂

TT.
Yeah, I listen to an early morning, agricutltural radio program, most days, so I've a grip on the distinction between spelt and shreddies.
🙂

I'm choosing to cut-out the breakfast cereal stuff, as well as the bread, etc. (The one day a week thing, not withstanding)

I didn't really need that part of the advice, I just needed a nudge to get off that stuff, as it was leading to my putting on just a little weight.

I'm not saying that stuff is bad or anything, just that it wasn't good for keeping my weight as I want it.

I've known for years that bread puts it on me, but its also what I have with it. It all leads me into eating stuff thats makes me heavier.

So I've used the guidlines to just shake up my choices and get me thinking more about what to prepare.

Some of the suggestions submitted here have been ace, very helpful.

I'm not planning on spending my life standing at a chopping board.
For me, the next stage will be to [i]streamline[/i] some of these recipe ideas so that I can prepare stuff for during the week.
Hence the soup for lunch. Which I really enjoy.
Once I've made a batch, which takes less than an hour, I have my lunches for the entire week sorted, which I think actually saves me time during the week.
😉

My evening meals weren't actually too bad, I was on salad, stir-fries and sutff anyway.
The suggestion to eat legumes just got me looking at alternative/additional things to prepare.

Most difficult is breakfast. I've stopped the two toast and at the moment. So its almond nuts instead, as I don't want to eat eggs and meat first thing in the AM.
Long term I will need to find more than just almond nuts for breakfast, but for this initial 3 weeks, its no problem, especially as I'm still assessing the effectiveness of what it is I'm doing, with regard to weight control, within an acceptable daily diet.

Cheers
🙂

S

SFB.

It would seem that I possess the kind of mind that has no issue with the guidlines someone has kindly given to me.

You on the other hand appear to have [i]issues[/i]

I've seen your contribution to a recent picture thread here on the STW forum.
May I suggest that you are much better at taking pictures than you are [i]getting[/i] what we're doing here.

So perhaps play to your strengths and go take a picture and post it on a [b]relevant[/b] thread.

😉

S

Would I be right in thinking that chocolate is a vitimin

sfb - chocolate probably is a vitimin, but it's unlikely to be a vitamin

on another note, has anyone stuck to the plan and lost any weight?

So perhaps play to your strengths and go take a picture and post it on a relevant thread

unfortunately you're not in the universe where that happens 🙁

May I suggest that you are much better at taking pictures than you are getting what we're doing here.

may I suggest you don't know what I do and don't get ?

has anyone stuck to the plan and lost any weight?

judging by their posts they're eating themselves silly :o)

Ooh, is Barnes finally annoyed? Good on you 🙂

ooh, iDave, as you're here.

Can you clarify if corn is a veggie or a cereal?

And is there anything acceptable to eat for puddings??

Yes, SFB seems a little grumpy this morning.
I don't know. You try and let someone down gently by complimenting their photos. 🙄

He probably hasn't heated something up, sufficiently.
Or perhaps its something to do with the fact he's always hungry.
😆

iDave.

I'm sticking to what I think the plan is, and yes, it seems to be working, but want to go the full 3 weeks just to complete the suggestion and reflect on this exercise.

Cheers.
😉

Solo

judging by their posts they're eating themselves silly :o)

judging by your posts you're a tragic figure simon, but posts are hardly the basis for judging anything, hence my asking the question. and its not a carlorie restrictive plan, which of course you know, but never let knowledge stand in the way of a petty dig.......

And is there anything acceptable to eat for puddings??

If I am assuming that you are trying this 'lifestyle change' to lose some weight, then maybe knocking the puddings on the head for the foreseeable might be a good idea?

so we have fruits that aren't fruit AND cereals that aren't cereal ? Would I be right in thinking that chocolate is a vitimin ?

...and as much as it pains me sfb, albeit in an trademarked annoying fashion, has a point. Solo does seem to be deviating from the spirit of the plan in my eyes. Of course there is no hard and fast rules and adaptions can be made to suit the individual, but it seems pointless cutting one grain while still nailing another.

Personally I am following the no grains thing to the [s]lentil[/s] letter. Might as well do it for the first week at least and see what occurs.

on another note, has anyone stuck to the plan and lost any weight?

Day 3 at the mo, will be weighing in once a week so will let you know monday.

has anyone stuck to the plan and lost any weight?

2 days in 2 pounds gone!! 😀

I have "mucked up" couple of times though had some pineapple in a salad and had a banana without thinking.

Can't say I'm a fan of all these beans but once their gone I'll change it slightly in favour of normal veg.

Last night I enjoyed buffalo burger and a medley of fresh veg including spinach. 😀

i haven't read much of the thread, but didn't think the plan was that hard to follow or needed much interpretation? solo can do what he/she wants, but i suggest you just follow the stuff i set out originally.

Ooh, is Barnes finally annoyed?

here's a clue - if I'm grumpy I don't post on STW :o)

and its not a carlorie restrictive plan, which of course you know, but never let knowledge stand in the way of a petty dig.......

it wasn't a dig, I was just entertained by the way people were posting recipes and getting excited about food!

i haven't read much of the thread, but didn't think the plan was that hard to follow or needed much interpretation?

You gave us too much credit.

it wasn't a dig, I was just entertained by the way people were posting recipes and getting excited about food!

Which seems to be the crux of the matter really. If people are enjoying something then fair play. Who are you to sit on the sidelines s****ing? Not to labour the point, but if this thing holds no interest for you, then why not stroll on and post yet more pictures of ladies bottoms?

on another note, has anyone stuck to the plan and lost any weight?

7 days today, stuck [s]pretty[/s] religiously to Dave's instructions I think, gone from 15.6 to 14:13 - bathroom scales seem to have some fluctuation though, so not precise. I put on nearly 1.5 stone this year, nearly half a stone in the last 3 weeks- not sure whether there's any relationship to putting that extra on, and it coming off so quickly.

Not to labour the point, but if this thing holds no interest for you, then why not stroll on and post yet more pictures of ladies bottoms?

who said it held no interest ? Were that the case I'd not be reading it.

i haven't read much of the thread, but didn't think the plan was that hard to follow or needed much interpretation?

right from the start iDave has claimed indifference, and to not be involved or to be reading the thread, but then he pops up with another post which seems to indicate otherwise 🙂

Vinney - that is some wildly fluctuating weight. Maybe salty food leading to water retention, and by the sound of it severe constipation too!