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DaveGr

Oats have a low carb content when compared to other cereals so mebbe that's why it's ok.

Barley has a higher carb content than wheat and rice so no idea.

You'll have to ask iDave.

Edit - thought it may be to do with digestible carbs but that doesn't pan out for barley either. Also some beans and peas are loaded with carbs, especially chickpeas and kidney beans, Haricots however have very little carb content.

I'm not actually doing the diet, I'm the control - doing it the traditional way - restricting calories a bit and riding a lot.

DaveGr.

Thanks for the info, yes, always good to read the info on packets. I've done that more during the last few years, than ever before.

I sometimes use Tofu instead of fish in my stir fry.

I'm going to just stick to the suggestions and use this to make myself learn new recipes/meals.

I'm hoping that this way, I wont drop back to stuff I ate before, which may not have been ideal for me.
🙂

I want to emerge from this 3 weeks, armed with new stuff that I can continue to eat, indefinately.

Ta.

S

But not Veggie mince / Realeat as that contains wheat

wheat [b]protein[/b]...

[i]restricting calories a bit and riding a lot[/i]

This is an interesting idea to me.
🙂

While I was in my 20s and 30s, I could work hard enough on the bike or in the gym, to use-up the excess cals, or "burn" the fat laid down by the body. It worked, well seemed to...

However, it occured to me one day. Could I exercise at the same intensity when I'm in my 50s, or 60s ?.

I concluded that I probably wouldn't be able to.

This lead me to thinking that increased weight with age, would be unavoidable.

This is when I decided I had to learn to control my weight via my diet.

This would leave me to exercise, only to keep the body in good working order, fitness.

Weight control via my Diet
fitness through exercise - preferrably cycling 😉

I was reminded of this recently when iDave replied to CG about "creeping obesity"

I'm happy to be corrected on this.

S

Fair point Solo. The thing is I'm trying to train to race - not successfully really, but I'm working on it. It's a very fine line for me between eating enough to get the riding done and eating little enough to lose weight.

molgrips, why don't you concentrate on losing some weight first then once you've got a to a target weight build up the fitness and endurance to you need to race ?

Solo, sounds about right to me, I never have understood why people eat when they're not hungry. I also don't understand why people keep eating knowing full well they've eaten enough already.

Kev

molgrips, why don't you concentrate on losing some weight first then once you've got a to a target weight build up the fitness and endurance to you need to race ?

It has occurred to me.. but I like to ride hard too... so i'd have to sack the proper training for a long time.. and lose speed...

I also don't understand why people keep eating knowing full well they've eaten enough already.

Because food can be lovely. If you don't understand, I don't think you ever will... It's unfortunate 🙁

barley is mostly carbohydrate...

well done sfb, education not quite totally wasted then. you point is?

molgrips, why don't you concentrate on losing some weight first then once you've got a to a target weight build up the fitness and endurance to you need to race ?

I don't see the 2 aims as conflicting. The worst that can happen is he'll bonk on a ride if he's not eaten enough and have to scoff some carbs 🙂

will give this a go but am confused over what is a cereal as both oats and barley have been given the OK but to me they fall into the "no cereal"

I'd suggest a 'cereal' is something that comes from a box of processsed wheat/oat/maize product with added salt/sugar/chemical nastiness whereas pearl barley/oats are wholegrains with relatively low GI.

Dave has already mentioned it's not a zero carb eating plan, just one that restricts carbs to those present in unprocessed vegetable foodstuffs.

It seesm to me that one way of interpreting Dave's diet strategy is that you should be eating foodstuffs which are as close as possible to their native state, so a few wholegrains in a soup isn't so bad but stuff made from processed wheat (ie flour based foods) is not so hot.

It's a concept where a food is considered not on the basis of it's calorific content but it's 'nutritional value' - ie the balance of macro and micro nutrients.

It's learning to eat in a qualitative, rather than a quantitaive, way......

education not quite totally wasted then. you point is?

before you said not to eat carbs

[i]Because food can be lovely. If you don't understand, I don't think you ever will... It's unfortunate [/i]

it's not unfortunate for me at all, I'm just not greedy. That's why I've never had a weight problem in my life. I eat enough and and I'm satisfied, simple.

Kev

when did i say not to eat carbs?

I also don't understand why people keep eating knowing full well they've eaten enough already.

Because food can be lovely. If you don't understand, I don't think you ever will

It's not about greed. In some, nice food causes such simple pleasure that it's hard to stop. Can't really be blamed for doing things that give you pleasure, can you?

I'd suggest a 'cereal' is something that comes from a box of processsed wheat/oat/maize product with added salt/sugar/chemical nastiness whereas pearl barley/oats are wholegrains with relatively low GI

No, you are thinking of breakfast cereal. Cereal means wheat, barley, maize etc.

Cereals, grains, or cereal grains are grasses (members of the monocot families Poaceae or Gramineae)[1] cultivated for the edible components of their fruit seeds

EDIT:

I think that the more lovely a food is, the less likely you are to overeat

I find the opposite. If something's boring, I won't want to force my way through much of it. If it's delicious, I'll want to eat more. I've found a good way to reduce calorie intake is to eat the same boring foods all the time.

it's not unfortunate for me at all, I'm just not greedy. That's why I've never had a weight problem in my life. I eat enough and and I'm satisfied, simple

I meant it's unfortunate for those who do love to eat.

If you are not this way, then you are very lucky. But be careful of coming over too morally superior - if you are not prone to weight gain then you are frigging lucky, not better. Apologies if this was not your intention, but it could read like it.

No, you are thinking of breakfast cereal. Cereal means wheat, barley, maize etc

Yes, I agree - but In food sense I'd use the word to mean the breakfast product and 'grain' to mean the raw plant product - shows how important it is to call things by the same name !

I find the opposite. If something's boring, I won't want to force my way through much of it. If it's delicious, I'll want to eat more. I've found a good way to reduce calorie intake is to eat the same boring foods all the time.

Again, interesting point - I always get more satisfied by highly flavoured, well textured food than plain dull stodge, asnothe illustration that an eating plan tailored to the individual is better than a catch all.
That's why I like Dave's guidlines, they're making people think about and discuss what they eat rather than just picking items off a list....

Btw, muesli is a cereal and is highly nutritious 🙂

Edit: BREAKFAST cereal!

molgrips, point taken, I had misunderstood the 'unfortunate' part. scrolling back up I can see the sad face.

I'll still stick to my point though, I actually cannot stand the feeling of being so full that I'm bloated, uncomfortable and find it difficult to move - I'll stop eating before this happens regardless of how nice something tastes, because I don't want to be bloated. --that's what I don't understand, why anyone would want to make themselves feel that way.

On the other hand, I do have a habit of staying in the pub longer than I should do at times and don't like the way it makes me feel in the morning, but it soon wears off and it's never made me prone to putting on weight. I guess some people don't understand why anyone would make themselves feel that way too but I enjoy my time socialising if the atmosphere is there.

similar thing I guess, just a different method.

Kev

molgrips, are you suggesting that the people following the plan i've set out eat muesli? cos it's not anything i'd suggest. why not stay as a control, do your own thing but stop throwing bollox into the thread?

I actually cannot stand the feeling of being so full that I'm bloated, uncomfortable and find it difficult to move

Well that's taken to extremes. I don't think many people DO enjoy that, do they?

I certainly can eat more than I need without getting to that point. I find my brain prepares itself to eat whatever's on my plate - perhaps a hangup from the 'clean your plate' days of childhood. Nowadays I am making myself stop when I feel reasonably sated, even if it means leaving a fair bit of something tasty. Ironically, my Mum also used to tell me that it's more of a waste to eat it if you don't want it than it is to throw it away. I never understood this until I had to/chose to start watching my weight.

Molgrips.

Wasn't critisizing, I just wanted to put that out there, as much as a question than sharing my thoughts.
Stay with us.
🙂

Hilldodger.
I'm liking your posts, I'm finding them interesting. Agree about the cereal thing. I had taken it to be a referrence to boxed breakfast food.

[i]Dave has already mentioned it's not a zero carb eating plan, just one that restricts carbs to those present in unprocessed vegetable foodstuffs.[/i]
point well made.

[i]It's learning to eat in a qualitative, rather than a quantitaive, way......
[/i]
Totally agree.
🙂

SFB, I'd be grateful if you could start your own thread, invite whomever you wish to, to debate whatever it is you're interested in.
But as you point-out, nobody is going to make you.
😉

Anyway:
This diet advice is just that. I'm not going to pick it apart, over analyze it.

Its simple, I don't think its a bad idea, and I reckon it'll work. To which end, I am giving it a go.

I'm very grateful for iDave's contribution, I was part way there anyway, so I'm happy to have the additonal nudge in a certain direction.

🙂

S

I'd have been interested to try this purely for curiousity.

I certainly can eat more than I need without getting to that point. I find my brain prepares itself to eat whatever's on my plate - perhaps a hangup from the 'clean your plate' days of childhood. Nowadays I am making myself stop when I feel reasonably sated, even if it means leaving a fair bit of something tasty. Ironically, my Mum also used to tell me that it's more of a waste to eat it if you don't want it than it is to throw it away. I never understood this until I had to/chose to start watching my weight.

I have been known to eat 3 xmas dinners without feeling overly bloated, back when I was fit lol.

My problem with making small amounts of things is its ok if I judge the portion correctly, but if I under-size it I'm ravenous again by the end and have no good food left to eat so I'll eat something quick and easy, which is invariably something sweet.

molgrips, are you suggesting that the people following the plan i've set out eat muesli

No! Jesus, take it easy!

I was just referring to hilldodger's defamation of breakfast cereals! Muesli is nutritious, that's a fact, but it is also off the iDave diet as explicitly outlined. So please no-one take this as an instruction from anyone involved in the diet in any way!

Wasn't critisizing

Understood 🙂

and i should say it's not the 'iDave diet'. it's how i eat and it has a sound basis for shedding fat and feeling better. i didn't invent it, i drew from certain things I was aware of and certain new things i learned. i've never been on a 'diet' in my life and i'm not on one now. i just eat differently.

right now, i have a stone to shift to get to fighting weight for an event in september. i have no doubts i can shift it easily by then, but it won't be by avoiding fat and counting calories

Any chance of copy of the not-iDave-diet then?

[i]I'd have been interested to try this purely for curiousity.[/i]

Thats mostly my motivation, I'm curious and I could learn something from trying this too.
😉

S

What's the event, iDave?

tor des geants - a 330km run in the alps

cking, email me for info

330km run

EDIT: looked on web site 🙄
150 hrs if anyone else was wondering.

Nice, sounds like a cracking event 🙂

Yes molegrips I understood what you meant by a control, i.e. it's good to have you on board as a control. I have already read some of your criticisms (along with TJ's on the other thread).

anyway i think choritzo and spinach omelettes for breakfast sound pretty good as a starting point.

But as you point-out, nobody is going to make you

that's most extraordinarily kind of you 🙂

and i should say it's not the 'iDave diet'. it's how i eat and it has a sound basis for shedding fat and feeling better. i didn't invent it, i drew from certain things I was aware of and certain new things i learned. i've never been on a 'diet' in my life and i'm not on one now. i just eat differently.

right now, i have a stone to shift to get to fighting weight for an event in september. i have no doubts i can shift it easily by then, but it won't be by avoiding fat and counting calories

Now if you havent alreadly lost a load of weight you are a stone overwight from eating like this? Doesn't seem like a really achievable change in eating habits.

I was going to ask the same Maxray, how come you've a load of weight to shift if you're on this diet/non diet?

To be fair maxray and nickc it is possible to be a healthy bodyweight for every day life but need to lose an amount in order to compete in an event such as the one iDave is going to do.

Would think most athletes have an off season weight and an on season weight.

Would think most athletes have an off season weight and an on season weight.

but is this relevant to PorkyTrackWorld.com members ?

but is this relevant to PorkyTrackWorld.com members ?

Some of whom are hardcore athletes*, and some of whom want to be hardcore athletes**.

* not me
** me

Can someone point me in the direct of idaves food lists please!

Email him and he will send you it.

Can someone point me in the direct of idaves food lists please!

it's a secret, you have to be on the list or you're not joining in 🙁

simonfbarnes

Would think most athletes have an off season weight and an on season weight.

but is this relevant to PorkyTrackWorld.com members ?

Yes that is exactly why I'm doing it. What's the problem with that or any other personal reason someone has to have a go?

Have you not got anything better to do than haunt this thread like a bitter old lady?

Have you not got anything better to do than haunt this thread like a bitter old lady?

Now you have done it. Insults are like catnip to simonfbarnes.