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Can you home make beef jerky easily or is it worth buying from somewhere?

anyone know what quinoa fits under?
and still is pearl barley allowed?! 😀

sent another 10 or so emails!

yes to pearl barley

You can make jerkey with a dehydrator quite easily. Or maybe dry it out in the sun I'm not sure.

[i]You can make jerkey with a dehydrator quite easily[/i]

Must have a rummage in behind the ice cream maker and the electric carving knife to see if I've got one of them dehydrator in the kitchen.

and still is pearl barley allowed?!

barley is mostly carbohydrate...

They are common in the states 🙂

If you have a fan oven its pretty easy to make, just takes a while.

Here was my method the last time I did it:

Beef:
Lean steak thinly sliced works best, I used topside as its not too expensive and normally pretty lean. Slice up the beef as thinly as you can and then into strips 5-8cm long and about 1cm wide.

Marinade:
You will find loads of recipes for marinade however a lot of them contain sugary sauces.

A simple marinade is:
Soy sauce (enough to cover the meat)
Pepper (I use plenty a good tablepsoon)
Garlic (two or three large cloves finely chopped)
Onion (small onion finelt chopped)
Worcester sauce (a teaspoon - normally you would use more but it is sugary)
Chilli Sauce (to taste I use a good dollop of Encona Scotch Bonnet sauce)
You can subsitute fresh garlic and onion for poweder if you have it, celery salt is good to add if you have it lying around as well.

Soak the meat in the marinade for 24hour in the fridge.

Cooking:
Take each piece of beef and poke a toothpick through one end (so it looks like the top of a "T" with the meat hanging down. Use the toothpicks to hang the beef from your oven rack.

Set the oven to its lowest setting (70C) and jam the door open with a fork. (you are drying the meat not cooking it) Cooking time is 6 to 7 hours. Around the 6 hour mark test the meat, it should still be tender but not greasy if it is still a little greasy then test agin in half an hour

Molgrips, good to have you on board!

I'm not starting till next week, after a trip to london this weekend and then a visit from my mother. Then I'll MTFU... looking forward to it.

Hi all

will give this a go but am confused over what is a cereal as both oats and barley have been given the OK but to me they fall into the "no cereal" category along with rice, wheat and cous cous which I usually eat.

Someone asked about veggie alternatives to meat (to the best of my knowledge). Free range eggs, Tofu (soya bean), Quorn (loosely mushroom based though don't know if it has hidden cereal/dairy), soya mince (soya!!!), Textured Vegetable Protein (again soya based, not sure if it has hidden cereal). As these are packaged foods you should be able to check the ingredients list when you buy. But not Veggie mince / Realeat as that contains wheat.

Cheers for the email Alex & the info IDave. Will start straight after my holiday 😀

DaveGr

Oats have a low carb content when compared to other cereals so mebbe that's why it's ok.

Barley has a higher carb content than wheat and rice so no idea.

You'll have to ask iDave.

Edit - thought it may be to do with digestible carbs but that doesn't pan out for barley either. Also some beans and peas are loaded with carbs, especially chickpeas and kidney beans, Haricots however have very little carb content.

I'm not actually doing the diet, I'm the control - doing it the traditional way - restricting calories a bit and riding a lot.

DaveGr.

Thanks for the info, yes, always good to read the info on packets. I've done that more during the last few years, than ever before.

I sometimes use Tofu instead of fish in my stir fry.

I'm going to just stick to the suggestions and use this to make myself learn new recipes/meals.

I'm hoping that this way, I wont drop back to stuff I ate before, which may not have been ideal for me.
🙂

I want to emerge from this 3 weeks, armed with new stuff that I can continue to eat, indefinately.

Ta.

S

But not Veggie mince / Realeat as that contains wheat

wheat [b]protein[/b]...

[i]restricting calories a bit and riding a lot[/i]

This is an interesting idea to me.
🙂

While I was in my 20s and 30s, I could work hard enough on the bike or in the gym, to use-up the excess cals, or "burn" the fat laid down by the body. It worked, well seemed to...

However, it occured to me one day. Could I exercise at the same intensity when I'm in my 50s, or 60s ?.

I concluded that I probably wouldn't be able to.

This lead me to thinking that increased weight with age, would be unavoidable.

This is when I decided I had to learn to control my weight via my diet.

This would leave me to exercise, only to keep the body in good working order, fitness.

Weight control via my Diet
fitness through exercise - preferrably cycling 😉

I was reminded of this recently when iDave replied to CG about "creeping obesity"

I'm happy to be corrected on this.

S

Fair point Solo. The thing is I'm trying to train to race - not successfully really, but I'm working on it. It's a very fine line for me between eating enough to get the riding done and eating little enough to lose weight.

molgrips, why don't you concentrate on losing some weight first then once you've got a to a target weight build up the fitness and endurance to you need to race ?

Solo, sounds about right to me, I never have understood why people eat when they're not hungry. I also don't understand why people keep eating knowing full well they've eaten enough already.

Kev

molgrips, why don't you concentrate on losing some weight first then once you've got a to a target weight build up the fitness and endurance to you need to race ?

It has occurred to me.. but I like to ride hard too... so i'd have to sack the proper training for a long time.. and lose speed...

I also don't understand why people keep eating knowing full well they've eaten enough already.

Because food can be lovely. If you don't understand, I don't think you ever will... It's unfortunate 🙁

barley is mostly carbohydrate...

well done sfb, education not quite totally wasted then. you point is?

molgrips, why don't you concentrate on losing some weight first then once you've got a to a target weight build up the fitness and endurance to you need to race ?

I don't see the 2 aims as conflicting. The worst that can happen is he'll bonk on a ride if he's not eaten enough and have to scoff some carbs 🙂

will give this a go but am confused over what is a cereal as both oats and barley have been given the OK but to me they fall into the "no cereal"

I'd suggest a 'cereal' is something that comes from a box of processsed wheat/oat/maize product with added salt/sugar/chemical nastiness whereas pearl barley/oats are wholegrains with relatively low GI.

Dave has already mentioned it's not a zero carb eating plan, just one that restricts carbs to those present in unprocessed vegetable foodstuffs.

It seesm to me that one way of interpreting Dave's diet strategy is that you should be eating foodstuffs which are as close as possible to their native state, so a few wholegrains in a soup isn't so bad but stuff made from processed wheat (ie flour based foods) is not so hot.

It's a concept where a food is considered not on the basis of it's calorific content but it's 'nutritional value' - ie the balance of macro and micro nutrients.

It's learning to eat in a qualitative, rather than a quantitaive, way......

education not quite totally wasted then. you point is?

before you said not to eat carbs

[i]Because food can be lovely. If you don't understand, I don't think you ever will... It's unfortunate [/i]

it's not unfortunate for me at all, I'm just not greedy. That's why I've never had a weight problem in my life. I eat enough and and I'm satisfied, simple.

Kev

when did i say not to eat carbs?

I also don't understand why people keep eating knowing full well they've eaten enough already.

Because food can be lovely. If you don't understand, I don't think you ever will

It's not about greed. In some, nice food causes such simple pleasure that it's hard to stop. Can't really be blamed for doing things that give you pleasure, can you?

I'd suggest a 'cereal' is something that comes from a box of processsed wheat/oat/maize product with added salt/sugar/chemical nastiness whereas pearl barley/oats are wholegrains with relatively low GI

No, you are thinking of breakfast cereal. Cereal means wheat, barley, maize etc.

Cereals, grains, or cereal grains are grasses (members of the monocot families Poaceae or Gramineae)[1] cultivated for the edible components of their fruit seeds

EDIT:

I think that the more lovely a food is, the less likely you are to overeat

I find the opposite. If something's boring, I won't want to force my way through much of it. If it's delicious, I'll want to eat more. I've found a good way to reduce calorie intake is to eat the same boring foods all the time.

it's not unfortunate for me at all, I'm just not greedy. That's why I've never had a weight problem in my life. I eat enough and and I'm satisfied, simple

I meant it's unfortunate for those who do love to eat.

If you are not this way, then you are very lucky. But be careful of coming over too morally superior - if you are not prone to weight gain then you are frigging lucky, not better. Apologies if this was not your intention, but it could read like it.

No, you are thinking of breakfast cereal. Cereal means wheat, barley, maize etc

Yes, I agree - but In food sense I'd use the word to mean the breakfast product and 'grain' to mean the raw plant product - shows how important it is to call things by the same name !

I find the opposite. If something's boring, I won't want to force my way through much of it. If it's delicious, I'll want to eat more. I've found a good way to reduce calorie intake is to eat the same boring foods all the time.

Again, interesting point - I always get more satisfied by highly flavoured, well textured food than plain dull stodge, asnothe illustration that an eating plan tailored to the individual is better than a catch all.
That's why I like Dave's guidlines, they're making people think about and discuss what they eat rather than just picking items off a list....

Btw, muesli is a cereal and is highly nutritious 🙂

Edit: BREAKFAST cereal!

molgrips, point taken, I had misunderstood the 'unfortunate' part. scrolling back up I can see the sad face.

I'll still stick to my point though, I actually cannot stand the feeling of being so full that I'm bloated, uncomfortable and find it difficult to move - I'll stop eating before this happens regardless of how nice something tastes, because I don't want to be bloated. --that's what I don't understand, why anyone would want to make themselves feel that way.

On the other hand, I do have a habit of staying in the pub longer than I should do at times and don't like the way it makes me feel in the morning, but it soon wears off and it's never made me prone to putting on weight. I guess some people don't understand why anyone would make themselves feel that way too but I enjoy my time socialising if the atmosphere is there.

similar thing I guess, just a different method.

Kev

molgrips, are you suggesting that the people following the plan i've set out eat muesli? cos it's not anything i'd suggest. why not stay as a control, do your own thing but stop throwing bollox into the thread?

I actually cannot stand the feeling of being so full that I'm bloated, uncomfortable and find it difficult to move

Well that's taken to extremes. I don't think many people DO enjoy that, do they?

I certainly can eat more than I need without getting to that point. I find my brain prepares itself to eat whatever's on my plate - perhaps a hangup from the 'clean your plate' days of childhood. Nowadays I am making myself stop when I feel reasonably sated, even if it means leaving a fair bit of something tasty. Ironically, my Mum also used to tell me that it's more of a waste to eat it if you don't want it than it is to throw it away. I never understood this until I had to/chose to start watching my weight.

Molgrips.

Wasn't critisizing, I just wanted to put that out there, as much as a question than sharing my thoughts.
Stay with us.
🙂

Hilldodger.
I'm liking your posts, I'm finding them interesting. Agree about the cereal thing. I had taken it to be a referrence to boxed breakfast food.

[i]Dave has already mentioned it's not a zero carb eating plan, just one that restricts carbs to those present in unprocessed vegetable foodstuffs.[/i]
point well made.

[i]It's learning to eat in a qualitative, rather than a quantitaive, way......
[/i]
Totally agree.
🙂

SFB, I'd be grateful if you could start your own thread, invite whomever you wish to, to debate whatever it is you're interested in.
But as you point-out, nobody is going to make you.
😉

Anyway:
This diet advice is just that. I'm not going to pick it apart, over analyze it.

Its simple, I don't think its a bad idea, and I reckon it'll work. To which end, I am giving it a go.

I'm very grateful for iDave's contribution, I was part way there anyway, so I'm happy to have the additonal nudge in a certain direction.

🙂

S

I'd have been interested to try this purely for curiousity.

I certainly can eat more than I need without getting to that point. I find my brain prepares itself to eat whatever's on my plate - perhaps a hangup from the 'clean your plate' days of childhood. Nowadays I am making myself stop when I feel reasonably sated, even if it means leaving a fair bit of something tasty. Ironically, my Mum also used to tell me that it's more of a waste to eat it if you don't want it than it is to throw it away. I never understood this until I had to/chose to start watching my weight.

I have been known to eat 3 xmas dinners without feeling overly bloated, back when I was fit lol.

My problem with making small amounts of things is its ok if I judge the portion correctly, but if I under-size it I'm ravenous again by the end and have no good food left to eat so I'll eat something quick and easy, which is invariably something sweet.

molgrips, are you suggesting that the people following the plan i've set out eat muesli

No! Jesus, take it easy!

I was just referring to hilldodger's defamation of breakfast cereals! Muesli is nutritious, that's a fact, but it is also off the iDave diet as explicitly outlined. So please no-one take this as an instruction from anyone involved in the diet in any way!

Wasn't critisizing

Understood 🙂

and i should say it's not the 'iDave diet'. it's how i eat and it has a sound basis for shedding fat and feeling better. i didn't invent it, i drew from certain things I was aware of and certain new things i learned. i've never been on a 'diet' in my life and i'm not on one now. i just eat differently.

right now, i have a stone to shift to get to fighting weight for an event in september. i have no doubts i can shift it easily by then, but it won't be by avoiding fat and counting calories

Any chance of copy of the not-iDave-diet then?

[i]I'd have been interested to try this purely for curiousity.[/i]

Thats mostly my motivation, I'm curious and I could learn something from trying this too.
😉

S

What's the event, iDave?

tor des geants - a 330km run in the alps

cking, email me for info

330km run

EDIT: looked on web site 🙄
150 hrs if anyone else was wondering.

Nice, sounds like a cracking event 🙂

Yes molegrips I understood what you meant by a control, i.e. it's good to have you on board as a control. I have already read some of your criticisms (along with TJ's on the other thread).

anyway i think choritzo and spinach omelettes for breakfast sound pretty good as a starting point.

But as you point-out, nobody is going to make you

that's most extraordinarily kind of you 🙂

and i should say it's not the 'iDave diet'. it's how i eat and it has a sound basis for shedding fat and feeling better. i didn't invent it, i drew from certain things I was aware of and certain new things i learned. i've never been on a 'diet' in my life and i'm not on one now. i just eat differently.

right now, i have a stone to shift to get to fighting weight for an event in september. i have no doubts i can shift it easily by then, but it won't be by avoiding fat and counting calories

Now if you havent alreadly lost a load of weight you are a stone overwight from eating like this? Doesn't seem like a really achievable change in eating habits.

I was going to ask the same Maxray, how come you've a load of weight to shift if you're on this diet/non diet?

To be fair maxray and nickc it is possible to be a healthy bodyweight for every day life but need to lose an amount in order to compete in an event such as the one iDave is going to do.

Would think most athletes have an off season weight and an on season weight.

Would think most athletes have an off season weight and an on season weight.

but is this relevant to PorkyTrackWorld.com members ?

but is this relevant to PorkyTrackWorld.com members ?

Some of whom are hardcore athletes*, and some of whom want to be hardcore athletes**.

* not me
** me

Can someone point me in the direct of idaves food lists please!

Email him and he will send you it.

Can someone point me in the direct of idaves food lists please!

it's a secret, you have to be on the list or you're not joining in 🙁

simonfbarnes

Would think most athletes have an off season weight and an on season weight.

but is this relevant to PorkyTrackWorld.com members ?

Yes that is exactly why I'm doing it. What's the problem with that or any other personal reason someone has to have a go?

Have you not got anything better to do than haunt this thread like a bitter old lady?

Have you not got anything better to do than haunt this thread like a bitter old lady?

Now you have done it. Insults are like catnip to simonfbarnes.

any chance of a copy of the info please

I didn't mean it as an insult, more of concern. 🙂

Have you not got anything better to do than haunt this thread like a bitter old lady?

as it happens I'm interested in the dynamics of belief as reflected in this thread. So far bitterness hasn't come into it.

as it happens I'm interested in the dynamics of belief as reflected in this thread. So far bitterness hasn't come into it.

Why not give it a go and then see it from a different/ clearer angle?

as I said, I'm interested in what people will believe, not weight loss. Whether it works or not is beside the point.

jeeeysus, your mum must be proud

What, because he's examining how people behave and not handing out unoriginal insults?

he's a patronising ****, its like me signing up to a Christian forum and saying what about buddah, how about the big bang.. ect..

im sure 99.9% of the people on this thread dont give a toss to what he says, its a sorry state of affairs

I see where he's going with it... but I can see how it's annoying.

molgrips - Member

What, because he's examining how people behave and not handing out unoriginal insults?

Personally I think "haunt this thread like a bitter old lady" is a little more original than calling over weight people "porkie". Also you can't really examine anything if you approach it in a bias opinionated way can you?

jeeeysus, your mum must be proud

As for Barnes, I think he's commenting on the way that when this diet thing first came up, everyone sort of fell to iDave's feet asking for enlightenment and salvation from all the confusion and struggle they've been labouring over... Ok that's exaggerating a lot, but that's what I think he is getting at!

I think its probably just that time of year where dieting is on peoples minds and it just happened to fit a niche that people were wanting

anyway day 2 and i feel great, not hungry at all, god its a hard life.

Alexxx trust me when I say Barnes is mere shadow of his former self, this is positively chatty for him.

he's asking reasonable questions as well.

alexxx - FWIW I think you are spot on re SFB. I have been following this thread as I have been following a similar plan to the one suggested by iDave for 3 weeks but haven't posted as I'm not on 'this plan'.

His comment "[i]as it happens I'm interested in the dynamics of belief as reflected in this thread[/i]" boiled my piss. WTF does he think he is that he can 'study' people. Its all bolox of course, he's just a sad attention seeking ****t who can't bear to be left out, even when his input is neither constructive or wanted.

Good luck to you all BTW, the weight is dropping off me quite nicely 😉

just to clarify, i'm not a bloater, but have a stone to shift to get to the race weight i want to be for the event in September

also to clarify, i had 6 weeks without any training

my apologies for not being like lord adonis

like i said, shifting a stone in 6 weeks will not be difficult

idave, and everyone else...........
i have been reading this thread, and someone kindly emailed me the list of foodstuff and the plan.
one thing that i thought straight away........this is the atkins diet, or very very similar.
am i wrong??

Sorry idave, wasn't meaning to sound mocking or whatever, misunderstood and thought it was a way of life rather than a crash diet. To my mind subtle changes that are permanent must be a better plan for all the mere mortals on here rather than yoyo style diets which are fine if you need to go from healthy to race trim rather than chunky to healthy.

i did the atkins diet................i stunk like a rotting corpse.... 😀

no worries, in my mind it isn't a crash diet at all and weight tends to stabilse when all the fat is shifted.

ton - Member
idave, and everyone else...........
i have been reading this thread, and someone kindly emailed me the list of foodstuff and the plan.
one thing that i thought straight away........this is the atkins diet, or very very similar.
am i wrong??

Yes - plenty of carbs in this diet.

it lookes like it is all protein stuff to me.
very good for muscle growth i suppose.
and wind........... 😉

" is a little more original than calling over weight people "porkie".

however, it was non specific, and for all you know might apply equally to myself...

Also you can't really examine anything if you approach it in a bias opinionated way can you?

does suspecting people believe things on inadequate justification amount to bias ?

WTF does he think he is that he can 'study' people

He can study us all he likes, so can I or you for that matter.

Ton, the carbs comes from the pulses/legumes (from memory, currently surfing on a painful dongle with poor signal so can't look back to the original post).

Just as long as you don't call it a cult...

[i]it's a secret, you have to be on the list or you're not joining in[/i]
No, I don't think its a secret, you just have to mail iDave or someone and ask for a copy.

It may interest you to know that this isn't a [i]Diet[/i] for me.

I intend to use what I learn from participating, to compliment my existing eating habits, my existing, daily diet.

However, [u]I am not[/u] [i]on a Diet[/i].

Furthermore, I'm not interested in being [i]on a diet[/i]. The modern, media fuelled, concept of [i]dieting[/i] is complete rubbish, imo. In the same category as the use of the phrase "[i]De-tox[/i]".

I am using this to make me think about what alternatives I can come up with, rather than eating stuff that puts weight on me.

I'm a significant part of the way there, already (soup for lunch rather than a sarny), but these ideas just might help tie-up some loose ends in my eating habits.
Intend to prove iDave's suggestions, for myself, by trying them for a few weeks, after which there'll be no harm done, and I'll be, hopefully, a little wiser.

[i]that's most extraordinarily kind of you
[/i]

SFB. I'm not looking to pick on anyone or get into an argument 😉
Observation is fine 🙂 by me.
If people do not wish to be [i]studied[/i], then posting on an open forum may not be for them.
However, I have felt at times that you're just out to trip people up, catch them out.
As I think you can see, that would be irritating to folk.
But if you think you're going to understand something, then stay with us.

[i]anyway day X and i feel great, not hungry at all,[/i]
Yeah, me too. Its no trouble at all.
🙂

Cheers.

Solo