[Closed] iDave diet downsides

My new 32" waist jeans are very loose now and I'm going to have to put a new hole in my belt.

My belt has also moved up a notch or two! Main courses are fine but what I am missing is a small sweet dessert, does anyone have any ideas?

try making your own ice-lollies? or do what i do and do some exercise in the evenings you're desperate for a pudpud so you can have some simple carbs AKA pudding*

*i dont actually do this, but it sounds like a good idea

Im going shopping tomorrow as i look like im wearing my big brothers clothes,two stone 4lbs down and just a couple more pounds to go.

Well happy. 😀

[i]Main courses are fine but what I am missing is a small sweet dessert, does anyone have any ideas? [/i]

stop eating dessert? I did when I moved out of mothers aged about 17.

Kev

I had to take 8 bin bags of clothes to the clothing bank place. Bought a new pair of smaller jeans about a month ago and they're already too big for me 🙁 😀

I've got a permanent hangover from all the extra red wine I'm drinking.

but what I am missing is a small sweet dessert, does anyone have any ideas?

Yeah, just have some dark chocolate... it won't kill you.

but what I am missing is a small sweet dessert, does anyone have any ideas?

It's a habit to be broken.

but what I am missing is a small sweet dessert, does anyone have any ideas?
It's a habit to be broken.

Agreed, think its easier to leave sugar alone altogether than just have a little bit...

The tiredness (when trying to run) that hit me within 24 hours and only goes away when I stop the diet.

Maybe its just me as any lack of carbs wouldnt hit that soon.

The tiredness (when trying to run) that hit me within 24 hours and only goes away when I stop the diet.

Maybe its just me as any lack of carbs wouldnt hit that soon.

I still can't believe the idiots that still think this is a low carb diet...

It was funny for maybe the first 20 times...

May I share an analogy which comes into my tiny mind ?.
It may be wrong / inaccurate, but this is how I sometimes view it.

You've got a car which can use both regular and high octane fuel.

You've always used high Octane and you've got use to the performance.

However, with fuel prices and all.

You've decided to run on regular octane fuel.

But now you notice a change in performance.

I still can't believe the idiots that still think this is a low carb diet..

Easy Tiger.

May I share an analogy which comes into my tiny mind ?.
It may be wrong / inaccurate, but this is how I sometimes view it.

You've got a car which can use both regular and high octane fuel.

You've always used high Octane and you've got use to the performance.

However, with fuel prices and all.

You've decided to run on regular octane fuel.

But now you notice a change in performance.

What are you on about? I have more energy if I stick to the idiet properly...

fogliettaz - Member
My belt has also moved up a notch or two! Main courses are fine but what I am missing is a small sweet dessert, does anyone have any ideas?

What are you on about? I have more energy if I stick to the idiet properly...

+1

Yesterday I ate

Some chicken for breakfast
Handful of cashew nuts mid morning
Chicken and salad for lunch
Handful of cashew nuts mid afternoon

Then did 2 hours of brutal Muay Thai in a room pushing 30 degrees. Had a recovery drink afterwards.

Today I feel great and I'll do it all again tonight. I never have any energy crashes. In fact I probably feel worst after a cheat meal or day but I've more or less eliminated them now anyway.

[i]What are you on about?[/i]

In my limited experience, I've noticed remarks from people who use to consume a lot of simple carbs, comment that in their early days of iDiet, they can't [i]perform[/i] quite as they use to before trying the iDiet.

I think this fits in with the suggestion that if you are iDiet and are going to undertake vigirous exercise.
That you supplement with simple carbs.
Some may find this useful, some may not.

It was just a thought.
🙂

Easy Tiger.

Sorry Surfer, not a personal attack... But it seems like the same questions come up again and again...

If you want to lose fat, you've got to substitute the nasty fast carbs (spuds, rice, pasta etc..) for nice slow carbs (beans, pulses etc..) so you still have the energy but without the insulin response triggered by fast carbs

if you add up all the carbs from beans and pulses using something like myfitnesspal its amazing how easily you can go over the RDA for carbs in one meal!

but they is slow carbs so they wont catch up with me 😀

No clothes size changes yet, but it's early days and I never altered my clothes (just got less comfortable in them). Looking forward to a bit more room (1/2 stone down after 3-4 weeks; 2 stone to go).

Carrot cake with chocolate... yummy.
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Just celebrated my 50th birthday at the weekend 2st 8lbs lighter than I was at the beginning of March. I had a bunch of mates round for a BBQ on Saturday afternoon and, not wanting to be a diet nazi, opted to put out a reasonable selection of buns and such like to go with a selection of iDave inspired bean salads, shredded carrot in pesto and plenty of lean handmade beefburgers, sausages and chicken from our local butcher. I've just chucked out several bags of unused buns and so on, as everyone chose to go iDave for the afternoon and thoroughly enjoyed it.

On the dessert front, I've found that going cold turkey is the only way to overcome my sweet tooth - I've been addicted to chocolate, ice cream and cake since I was a kid, which has probably been a significant factor in me becoming the lard bucket I am today.

if you add up all the carbs from beans and pulses using something like myfitnesspal its amazing how easily you can go over the RDA for carbs in one meal!

LOL - I realised this last night after using up leftover falafal mix and some baked onion bhajis that I'd made up at the weekend... chickpea heaven!

[i]Just celebrated my 50th birthday [/i]

[i]2st 8lbs lighter than I was at the beginning of March[/i]

Good lad 😉

On the dessert front, I've found that going cold turkey is the only way to overcome my sweet tooth

Biggest challenge for me following the current regime. But, equally, if I don't feed the addiction, so the cravings have lessened.

Could still eat druidh's cake in one easy sitting....

Some chicken for breakfast Handful of cashew nuts mid morning
Chicken and salad for lunch Handful of cashew nuts mid afternoon

Interested to see the references to "lean" meat. That runs contrary to Gary Taubes take on these things ( [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Get-Fat-about/dp/0307949435/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1338298861&sr=1-1 ]Why we get fat - and what to do about it[/url] ) doesn't it? Also the idiet allows for chorizo and nuts etc.....

Downsides...

Once you start talking about it... you're trapped.

I still can't believe that people actually follow it to the letter.

It didn't work for me, I missed cheese on toast, beer etc. too much

I'm now on a more traditional 'eat less, move more' programme, 16lbs so far in 4 weeks and plenty of energy.
Still get to have a beer and bread, cheese etc. as long as I remember to earn it

jota180 - Member
It didn't work for me, I missed cheese on toast, beer etc. too much

I'm now on a more traditional 'eat less, move more' programme, 16lbs so far in 4 weeks and plenty of energy.
Still get to have a beer and bread, cheese etc. as long as I remember to earn it

Darcy - you need me to 'vanish' him?

If I need a pudding I have a 10 cal jelly with a pinch of chopped nuts.

I don't bother following it to the letter anymore but I have cut right down the amount of rice, pasta, potato and fruit.

I still have milk in my tea and have the odd bit of cheese on omlettes but I'm down about 2st since Oct last year and my weight has been stable for the past couple of months

[i]'eat less, move more' [/i]

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EDIT:

Eating less doesn't work, for if it did, you wouldn't be fat in the first place

I was never a chubber, but have been iDieting anyway. My weight used to wobble up and down between 73 and 75kg. Since the end of the first week of iDiet I've been dead on 70kg every morning.

There's very little weight loss, but I'm definitely leaner and my waist measurement has dropped, so the idea that your body self-regulates seems to work.

On Saturday I skipped breakfast (apart from coffee and a pint of water) and did [url= http://mactually.co.uk/?p=385 ]a 108km mixed on- and off-road singlespeed ride[/url] (with around 1700m of climbing) fueled by water only for the first hour, then bottles of diluted applejuice (2l juice and 3l water in total), three mini pork pies and a small tub of chicken and lentil dahl. Felt absolutely fine.

I'm convinced by it 🙂

[i]Felt absolutely fine[/i]

Mike, I'm failing to see your down side to the iDave diet.
😆

Eating less doesn't work, for if it did, you wouldn't be fat in the first place

Eating less definitely works, if I done that over the Winter rather than lay by the pool in Lanzarote drinking and eating too much, I wouldn't need to lose 2 stone.
I deliberately didn't eat less over the Winter

just seen this.........it is ace.
i am back in a 38'' waist trousers, down from 42''
also in a xxl shirt rather than a tight 3xl.
and i went thru 10 pairs of shorts for my holiday on saturday, they are all too big.

idiet/primal rocks............ 8)

Ton you're going to have to post an 'after' wrestling video for our delights...

yeti, when i get to my goal i will do............just need a worthy oppo.
now fred has gone i aint got one..... 😆

While you're all in here...

I've got 4 weeks before Morzine and need/want to drop 10lb or so...

Help please...

I'm happy to give iDave a go if someone can tell me where the F to begin please.

Ton.

I love seeing your posts and learning how you're getting along.

What do the medicos say when they note the amount of weight you've lost ?.

just need a worthy oppo.

Edukator are yoooou ready?

[i]I'm happy to give iDave a go if someone can tell me where the F to begin please.

[/i]

Mail me if you wish, I can send over a copy of the Free version, iDiet.

Help please...

Eat around 1450 calories a day less than you burn
So eating around 2200 and doing 2 hrs good CV exercise per day should do it

[i]Eat around 1450 calories a day less than you burn
So eating around 2200 and doing 2 hrs good CV exercise per day should do it [/i]

Interesting insight there.

I would respectfully suggest watching the Taubes video I linked to.
Its only just over an hour and time well spent, I think.

Solo, not seen the consultant since march the 5th.
but i am back 2nd week in june for a 24hr trace doing.
by then i will be just over 3 stone lighter than when i last saw him.

to be honest, i still cant understand how this works.
i am never hungry between meals, i still dont really do the days off, my biggest sins are a square of 80% dark chocolate now and again or a bowl of air popped corn, or if i wanna be really bad, a shop bought scotch egg.
i feel 100% better than before i started in march, and the wife tells me i look loads better too.
everyone i see comments on the weight loss.
the idiet/primal deffo rocks for me...... 8)

Its only just over an hour and time well spent, I think.

I think not
I don't need evangelical lectures thanks [especially at an hour long], if it works for you, great, just keep shouting hallelujah and take the benefits, as I said, it didn't do it for me

Interesting insight there.

Works for me to get me back where I want to be when I decide to have a few weeks pigging out [usually every 2nd or 3rd Winter]

Ton.

Excellent news, good luck with stuff in June.
As far as understanding and implementing your new changes to your lifestyle, re, diet.
I think YOU rock !.

😀

[b]jota180 - Member[/b]
Eat around 1450 calories a day less than you burn
So eating around 2200 and doing 2 hrs good CV exercise per day should do it

So just by being hungry and committing to 14 hours a week of exercise, people can lose weight? I can't think why more people aren't successful at losing weight this way.

Nor can I. It can only be that they eat too much and don't do enough exercise.

So just by being hungry and committing to 14 hours a week of exercise, people can lose weight? I can't think why more people aren't successful at losing weight this way.

2200 calories wouldn't see most people hungry
The 14 hours was just an example for the fella that wanted to shed 10lbs in 4 weeks not a general thing at all

How many times in the past have you posted 'eat less, move more' as an answer to someone claiming to not be able to lose weight?

How many times in the past have you posted 'eat less, move more' as an answer to someone claiming to not be able to lose weight?

Probably lots. Isn't learning new things fun?

everyone i see comments on the weight loss.

I've experienced this a lot. Bizarrely if I look in the mirror I don't notice that much change but others are gobsmacked (30lbs lost). The only place I've noticed it is in photographs. Previously I hated getting my photo taken as I looked like a bifter but I've relented recently and it's then that I notice my face isn't like a beachball anymore.

[i]Isn't learning new things fun[/i]

Yes, I think so.

Its got to have been almost an hour since I posted the link to that video.

I've seen it before, but its certainly given me something to think about.

I don't know the ins and outs of iDave, but it does seem to work well for some people it seems. I found the main culprits for putting weight on for me were gluten (coeliac) and dairy. I think I'd struggle with lots of pulses though, they tend to give me pain and bloating if I eat too many of them.

I'm not sure exactly that grains are the enemy, it's more that they are grown with pesticides and things that our ancestors didn't have to deal with and we just eat too much of the damn stuff especially wheat, you only have to spend a few days being gluten free to realise it's in a hell of a lot of stuff. Can't be good for you to eat that much of it even if you don't have an allergy or sensitivity to it!

Where can i get a copy of the iDave diet? Thanks

[i]even if you don't have an allergy or sensitivity to it![/i]

Interesting point.

I've come to question the [i]effects[/i] of certain foods types, based on what we [u]see[/u] and [u]feel[/u].

Seeing a reaction or feeling a reaction to something you've eaten, is relying on easily detectable symptoms.

However, it is possible for food to still cause a reaction, but that its so small, or that the subject is so tolerant, that no physically noticeable symptoms may develop.

But this doesn't mean that theres no reaction to that food stuff, at all.
It just means that we aren't aware of the reaction, if there is one.

For example.
I doubt I could [i]feel[/i] the reactions that occur in my body which bring on the accumilation of arterial plaque.
But that doesn't mean its not happening.

Seeing as we're patting each other on the back I just want to say well done to Jota for finding a way to lose weight that works for him. Well done sir.

You don't have to iDiet but it can help.

[i]Where can i get a copy of the iDave diet? Thanks[/i]

Mail me and I'll send you a copy.

bloody stuck, weight won't come off, training increased and weight still sitting there waving at me. The only recourse is to go back to being a fat knacker and then start again so I can feel like I'm getting somewhere 🙁

Tazzy - you shuld hang out with Ben and Jerry for a while.

I just want to say well done to Jota for finding a way to lose weight that works for him

Why, thank you sir

another 3 weeks and I'm off it, back on holiday pigging out 🙂

EDIT: The good news just keeps coming ...... just had this from Planet-X

[b][i]Your bike is now expected to be complete and ready for dispatch by Thursday 31st.

We are taking every possible step to ensure your bike is with you prior to the bank holiday weekend[/i][/b]

I of course put this good fortune down to being able to lose weight without eating chorizo for breakfast - although it does sound good

hmmmm 20 lucky strike, some ale and my body weight in cakes will sort it

😆 Jota180...

I hear there's an idave dieters team at MM this year, wonder what they do instead of carb loading the night before? 😉

[i]wonder what they do instead of carb loading the night before[/i]

Probably sleep like babies, then get up the next morning and rip round the course.

I hadn't heard of such a team, but good luck to them.

Solo, I have sent you a email.

[i]Solo, I have sent you a email.

[/i]

YGM.
😉

I always follow these idiet debates with interest and would love to loose a bit of timber. I gave the old idiet a shot but hit a wall about 5 days in, it was almost like bonking which makes think I got it wrong.

Solo, any chance of the new updated idiet?

fueled by water only

this is all very dr gillian mckeith.

fueled by water only

Nice selective quoting. I should perhaps have said "I consumed", rather than "I was fueled by".

this is all very dr gillian mckeith.

Not once has iDave made me show him my poo.

I'm down from 111.8kg on New Years day to 93.6kg today, have been flying (well for me) on my bikes, knocked 49mins off my Dyfi Enduro time this year so well chuffed with the results to date.

The only downside I've found is that if you fall off the wagon it's really hard to get back on. I started in Jan, lost nearly 3 stone and have gone from tight 42" waist jeans to 38's almost falling down (but not quite into 36's cos of my thighs!) I'd not felt so good in years either, loads of energy and my ulcerative colitis which has fluctuated between bad and really bad over the last 5 years seemed to have gone away. Then about 3 weeks ago a combination of my daughters birthdays, my birthday and a few other family events meant that my cheat day slipped into a cheat week and then a cheat fortnight (you can't turn down birthday cake when it's your kids parties)
I've tried to get back on it but it's been really hard, I've no energy or motivation to cook and am really craving the crap sugary things, the recent nice weather hasn't helped either, I like red wine but beer is best in the sun!

I've tried to get back on it but it's been really hard, I've no energy or motivation to cook and am really craving the crap sugary things, the recent nice weather hasn't helped either, I like red wine but beer is best in the sun!

Try something else, if you can't make it work again, there a loads of other approaches.
In the big scheme of things doesn't really matter that you're doing something different right now, besides beer is very nice.
idave type diets work for some but - contrary to what some here say - it isn't for everyone and most people would be better off simply working out what works for their lifestyle
Try a low cal or a high fat, high protein diet maybe or just exercise a whole bunch more

You do know that what's happened to you really can't happen on the idave don't you? - that sort of up and down shenanigans is reserved for traditional low cal diets.
You'll have to sit through a 1 hour youtube vid to be re-educated. 😉

[i]Solo, any chance of the new updated idiet? [/i]

Mail me and I can furnish you with the free, 2 page doc kindly released by iDave.
What you do with it is down to you thereafter.

The iDave diet may be for you, it may not be for you.

Theres more than one way to lose weight, some methods appear to suit some people, better than others, for a variety of reasons.
🙂

[i]contrary to what some here say - it isn't for everyone[/i]
Exactly.
I've never seen anyone here post that [i]you[/i] should do the iDave diet and only the iDave diet.

[i]You'll have to sit through a 1 hour youtube vid to be re-educated[/i]
Nah, don't bother.
An hour watching Eastenders is probably more appropriate.
😉

Is there any reason why this would work for men better than women? I'm finding it effective but it's not doing anything for my girlfriend

[i]Is there any reason why this would work for men better than women? I'm finding it effective but it's not doing anything for my girlfriend
[/i]

My initial thoughts are to recall iDave's remarks that following the basic rules as outlined in the PDF file he released.
Men might hope to achieve a body fat percentage in the range of 12 to 15 percent.
Women, [b]IIRC[/b], may get to about 15 - 18 percent.

The science behind this difference between men and women appears to have some hormonal basis, as briefly outlined by Taubes in that video that I linked to....

As far as the effectiveness of the iDave diet goes.
iDave has posted that reports of effectiveness do vary between people who report losing a Kg or two a week in the early stages, to those who report no significant weight loss at all.

cos she's cheating steve!

all it takes is one little sugary treat a day to slow/halt the progress entirely as it undoes the 'insulemic response conditioning' as i'm now going to call it....

Men might hope to achieve a body fat percentage in the range of 12 to 15 percent.
Women, IIRC, may get to about 15 - 18 percent.

wimmin are biologically evolved to store more subcutaneous fat around the hips and bum so as a natural state will have a proportionally higher body fat percentage.... lets not forget boobs after all!

i still think she's cheating if mrsconsequence is anything to go by (i'm not exactly following it strictly so i'm not exactly one to preach!! i do try and take certain elements from the iDiet however and have indeed found what works for me 🙂