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Help please...

Eat around 1450 calories a day less than you burn
So eating around 2200 and doing 2 hrs good CV exercise per day should do it


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 3:48 pm
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[i]Eat around 1450 calories a day less than you burn
So eating around 2200 and doing 2 hrs good CV exercise per day should do it [/i]

Interesting insight there.

I would respectfully suggest watching the Taubes video I linked to.
Its only just over an hour and time well spent, I think.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 3:53 pm
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Solo, not seen the consultant since march the 5th.
but i am back 2nd week in june for a 24hr trace doing.
by then i will be just over 3 stone lighter than when i last saw him.

to be honest, i still cant understand how this works.
i am never hungry between meals, i still dont really do the days off, my biggest sins are a square of 80% dark chocolate now and again or a bowl of air popped corn, or if i wanna be really bad, a shop bought scotch egg.
i feel 100% better than before i started in march, and the wife tells me i look loads better too.
everyone i see comments on the weight loss.
the idiet/primal deffo rocks for me...... 8)


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 3:55 pm
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Its only just over an hour and time well spent, I think.

I think not
I don't need evangelical lectures thanks [especially at an hour long], if it works for you, great, just keep shouting hallelujah and take the benefits, as I said, it didn't do it for me

Interesting insight there.

Works for me to get me back where I want to be when I decide to have a few weeks pigging out [usually every 2nd or 3rd Winter]


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 3:59 pm
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Ton.

Excellent news, good luck with stuff in June.
As far as understanding and implementing your new changes to your lifestyle, re, diet.
I think YOU rock !.

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Posted : 29/05/2012 4:00 pm
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Eat around 1450 calories a day less than you burn
So eating around 2200 and doing 2 hrs good CV exercise per day should do it

So just by being hungry and committing to 14 hours a week of exercise, people can lose weight? I can't think why more people aren't successful at losing weight this way.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:18 pm
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Nor can I. It can only be that they eat too much and don't do enough exercise.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:19 pm
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So just by being hungry and committing to 14 hours a week of exercise, people can lose weight? I can't think why more people aren't successful at losing weight this way.

2200 calories wouldn't see most people hungry
The 14 hours was just an example for the fella that wanted to shed 10lbs in 4 weeks not a general thing at all

How many times in the past have you posted 'eat less, move more' as an answer to someone claiming to not be able to lose weight?


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:24 pm
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How many times in the past have you posted 'eat less, move more' as an answer to someone claiming to not be able to lose weight?

Probably lots. Isn't learning new things fun?


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:29 pm
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everyone i see comments on the weight loss.

I've experienced this a lot. Bizarrely if I look in the mirror I don't notice that much change but others are gobsmacked (30lbs lost). The only place I've noticed it is in photographs. Previously I hated getting my photo taken as I looked like a bifter but I've relented recently and it's then that I notice my face isn't like a beachball anymore.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:30 pm
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[i]Isn't learning new things fun[/i]

Yes, I think so.

Its got to have been almost an hour since I posted the link to that video.

I've seen it before, but its certainly given me something to think about.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:50 pm
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I don't know the ins and outs of iDave, but it does seem to work well for some people it seems. I found the main culprits for putting weight on for me were gluten (coeliac) and dairy. I think I'd struggle with lots of pulses though, they tend to give me pain and bloating if I eat too many of them.

I'm not sure exactly that grains are the enemy, it's more that they are grown with pesticides and things that our ancestors didn't have to deal with and we just eat too much of the damn stuff especially wheat, you only have to spend a few days being gluten free to realise it's in a hell of a lot of stuff. Can't be good for you to eat that much of it even if you don't have an allergy or sensitivity to it!


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 4:59 pm
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Where can i get a copy of the iDave diet? Thanks


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:10 pm
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[i]even if you don't have an allergy or sensitivity to it![/i]

Interesting point.

I've come to question the [i]effects[/i] of certain foods types, based on what we [u]see[/u] and [u]feel[/u].

Seeing a reaction or feeling a reaction to something you've eaten, is relying on easily detectable symptoms.

However, it is possible for food to still cause a reaction, but that its so small, or that the subject is so tolerant, that no physically noticeable symptoms may develop.

But this doesn't mean that theres no reaction to that food stuff, at all.
It just means that we aren't aware of the reaction, if there is one.

For example.
I doubt I could [i]feel[/i] the reactions that occur in my body which bring on the accumilation of arterial plaque.
But that doesn't mean its not happening.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:10 pm
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Seeing as we're patting each other on the back I just want to say well done to Jota for finding a way to lose weight that works for him. Well done sir.

You don't have to iDiet but it can help.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:13 pm
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[i]Where can i get a copy of the iDave diet? Thanks[/i]

Mail me and I'll send you a copy.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:14 pm
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bloody stuck, weight won't come off, training increased and weight still sitting there waving at me. The only recourse is to go back to being a fat knacker and then start again so I can feel like I'm getting somewhere ๐Ÿ™


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:27 pm
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Tazzy - you shuld hang out with Ben and Jerry for a while.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:29 pm
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I just want to say well done to Jota for finding a way to lose weight that works for him

Why, thank you sir

another 3 weeks and I'm off it, back on holiday pigging out ๐Ÿ™‚

EDIT: The good news just keeps coming ...... just had this from Planet-X

[b][i]Your bike is now expected to be complete and ready for dispatch by Thursday 31st.

We are taking every possible step to ensure your bike is with you prior to the bank holiday weekend[/i][/b]

I of course put this good fortune down to being able to lose weight without eating chorizo for breakfast - although it does sound good


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:31 pm
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hmmmm 20 lucky strike, some ale and my body weight in cakes will sort it


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:32 pm
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๐Ÿ˜† Jota180...


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:41 pm
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I hear there's an idave dieters team at MM this year, wonder what they do instead of carb loading the night before? ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:47 pm
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[i]wonder what they do instead of carb loading the night before[/i]

Probably sleep like babies, then get up the next morning and rip round the course.

I hadn't heard of such a team, but good luck to them.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 5:50 pm
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Solo, I have sent you a email.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 6:09 pm
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[i]Solo, I have sent you a email.

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YGM.
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Posted : 29/05/2012 6:12 pm
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I always follow these idiet debates with interest and would love to loose a bit of timber. I gave the old idiet a shot but hit a wall about 5 days in, it was almost like bonking which makes think I got it wrong.

Solo, any chance of the new updated idiet?


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 9:11 pm
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fueled by water only

this is all very dr gillian mckeith.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 9:33 pm
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fueled by water only

Nice selective quoting. I should perhaps have said "I consumed", rather than "I was fueled by".

this is all very dr gillian mckeith.

Not once has iDave made me show him my poo.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 11:06 pm
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I'm down from 111.8kg on New Years day to 93.6kg today, have been flying (well for me) on my bikes, knocked 49mins off my Dyfi Enduro time this year so well chuffed with the results to date.


 
Posted : 29/05/2012 11:11 pm
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The only downside I've found is that if you fall off the wagon it's really hard to get back on. I started in Jan, lost nearly 3 stone and have gone from tight 42" waist jeans to 38's almost falling down (but not quite into 36's cos of my thighs!) I'd not felt so good in years either, loads of energy and my ulcerative colitis which has fluctuated between bad and really bad over the last 5 years seemed to have gone away. Then about 3 weeks ago a combination of my daughters birthdays, my birthday and a few other family events meant that my cheat day slipped into a cheat week and then a cheat fortnight (you can't turn down birthday cake when it's your kids parties)
I've tried to get back on it but it's been really hard, I've no energy or motivation to cook and am really craving the crap sugary things, the recent nice weather hasn't helped either, I like red wine but beer is best in the sun!


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 12:09 am
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I've tried to get back on it but it's been really hard, I've no energy or motivation to cook and am really craving the crap sugary things, the recent nice weather hasn't helped either, I like red wine but beer is best in the sun!

Try something else, if you can't make it work again, there a loads of other approaches.
In the big scheme of things doesn't really matter that you're doing something different right now, besides beer is very nice.
idave type diets work for some but - contrary to what some here say - it isn't for everyone and most people would be better off simply working out what works for their lifestyle
Try a low cal or a high fat, high protein diet maybe or just exercise a whole bunch more

You do know that what's happened to you really can't happen on the idave don't you? - that sort of up and down shenanigans is reserved for traditional low cal diets.
You'll have to sit through a 1 hour youtube vid to be re-educated. ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 7:12 am
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[i]Solo, any chance of the new updated idiet? [/i]

Mail me and I can furnish you with the free, 2 page doc kindly released by iDave.
What you do with it is down to you thereafter.

The iDave diet may be for you, it may not be for you.

Theres more than one way to lose weight, some methods appear to suit some people, better than others, for a variety of reasons.
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[i]contrary to what some here say - it isn't for everyone[/i]
Exactly.
I've never seen anyone here post that [i]you[/i] should do the iDave diet and only the iDave diet.

[i]You'll have to sit through a 1 hour youtube vid to be re-educated[/i]
Nah, don't bother.
An hour watching Eastenders is probably more appropriate.
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Posted : 30/05/2012 8:30 am
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Is there any reason why this would work for men better than women? I'm finding it effective but it's not doing anything for my girlfriend


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 8:36 am
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[i]Is there any reason why this would work for men better than women? I'm finding it effective but it's not doing anything for my girlfriend
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My initial thoughts are to recall iDave's remarks that following the basic rules as outlined in the PDF file he released.
Men might hope to achieve a body fat percentage in the range of 12 to 15 percent.
Women, [b]IIRC[/b], may get to about 15 - 18 percent.

The science behind this difference between men and women appears to have some hormonal basis, as briefly outlined by Taubes in that video that I linked to....

As far as the effectiveness of the iDave diet goes.
iDave has posted that reports of effectiveness do vary between people who report losing a Kg or two a week in the early stages, to those who report no significant weight loss at all.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 8:41 am
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cos she's cheating steve!

all it takes is one little sugary treat a day to slow/halt the progress entirely as it undoes the 'insulemic response conditioning' as i'm now going to call it....

Men might hope to achieve a body fat percentage in the range of 12 to 15 percent.
Women, IIRC, may get to about 15 - 18 percent.

wimmin are biologically evolved to store more subcutaneous fat around the hips and bum so as a natural state will have a proportionally higher body fat percentage.... lets not forget boobs after all!

i still think she's cheating if mrsconsequence is anything to go by (i'm not exactly following it strictly so i'm not exactly one to preach!! i do try and take certain elements from the iDiet however and have indeed found what works for me ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 8:47 am
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Got that email Solo, ๐Ÿ˜€ thanks very much


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 8:55 am
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[i]wimmin are biologically evolved to store more subcutaneous fat around the hips and bum so as a natural state will have a proportionally higher body fat percentagepe[/i]

Well, yes, we see this as children progress to adulthood.

Where boys are predisposed to convert more of their excess calories into muscle, while women allocate more of their excess calories to [i]subcutaneous fat around the hips and bum[/i]

I learnt this, again, while watching that video yesterday....
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Posted : 30/05/2012 8:56 am
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i learnt it at uni

no videos for philly ๐Ÿ˜€

you forgot to mention the boobs solo

i am disappoint.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 8:58 am
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Thanks to Solo for the info.

Sadly... i just can't see any world in which i live in that cutting out ALL of the bad foods are viable for me personally.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 9:05 am
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[i]you forgot to mention the boobs solo

i am disappoint.

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I didn't forget, but upon my first reading of that line, TSY come to mind.
However, in light of TSY's and I, new Truce and general love-in with each other now.
I thought better of it....

DOH !.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 9:07 am
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[i]Thanks to Solo for the info.

Sadly... i just can't see any world in which i live in that cutting out ALL of the bad foods are viable for me personally.

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No worries, as I wrote in my reply.
Its not for eveyone.

Good luck though, with whatever route you take.
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Posted : 30/05/2012 9:08 am
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I gave the old idiet a shot but hit a wall about 5 days in, it was almost like bonking which makes think I got it wrong

Not enough carbs in general. More veggies and beans.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 9:22 am
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Can I suggest all of the low calorie dieters ignore the scales and get your body fat measured by someone who knows what they are doing. Weight is a small part of the story, plenty of lightweight people have high levels of body fat!

Last nights almost idinner.

Turkey, lentil and quality sausage chilli

fry off a large onion, then add 700g of chopped turkey steak and ten big fat juicy lovely high meat content sausages and brown.

Add two tins of chopped tomatoes
a pint of chicken stock
two cups of red lentils
one tin of red kidney beans
a teaspoon of chilli
two teaspoons of paprika
salt/pepper
half a spoon of cumin and a shake of mixed herbs
some red jalapenos and a little of the juice they are pickled in
garlic puree and a spoon of honey (yes I know)

cook on a low heat for at least an hour making sure you stir regularly or the lentils stick to the bottom.

Tastes much better than it sounds and I have some for my lunch today.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 10:10 am
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LOL Solo... you should jam your head between me an' Philly and do the 'motorboat'.


 
Posted : 30/05/2012 10:16 am
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Can I suggest all of the low calorie dieters ignore the scales and get your body fat measured by someone who knows what they are doing. Weight is a small part of the story, plenty of lightweight people have high levels of body fat!

Why just the low cal dieters?
the idaves seem to use the scales as their measure too

Besides visceral fat is the one that matters, how can that be measured accurately? a CT scan?


 
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