[Closed] Heathrow third runway

So the Gov put commercial benefits before climate commitments. No shit Sherlock. Does this then mean they also can't extend Gatwick because I sincerely hope they can't.

poor ol' boris will be conflicted, anti runway == pro environmental.

So the Gov put commercial benefits before climate commitments. No shit Sherlock. Does this then mean they also can’t extend Gatwick because I sincerely hope they can’t.

It would appear so, at least unless they address the issue. Even if you argued that only outbound flights needed to be carbon offset, that's a whole lot of land/trees they would;d need to buy.

poor ol’ boris will be conflicted, anti runway == pro environmental.

Boris wants a runway, just located inaccessibly the far side of London in the sea.

"the government said it would not appeal."

I reckon Boris and his cronies will be quite happy with that result. They've dodged what looked like a massive expensive mess, and they can blame it those nasty judges. (And Chris Grayling)

Boris wants a runway, just located inaccessibly the far side of London in the sea.

Only if it's his idea (or can be manipulated a bit to make it look like his idea).

He'd be much more pro-HS2 if he'd thought of that too.

Boris wants a runway, just located inaccessibly the far side of London in the sea.

Potential for a big bridge?

Good.

Government could massively reduce the amount of unnecessary flying by getting rid of all the rules on non-domicile tax evasion avoidance, and there's enough capacity around the UK.

They could pump the money into something useful to the UK like bus provision or the northern powerhouse

Good.

London and the SE doesn't need another runway, they have enough capacity already for people who live there and people who want to visit there.

Heathrow wanted to suck more traffic from regional airports making the already horrifically bad for the environment business of flying worse by making more people travel from all over the country to them.

Government could massively reduce the amount of unnecessary flying by getting rid of all the rules on non-domicile tax evasion avoidance

Doubt that's got much to do with it, I'd be blaming the demand on the fact you can get flights to Spain (or wherever) for less than 50 quid.

Edit: unless you mean that's how airlines can be profitable at those prices, maybe?

London and the SE doesn’t need another runway, they have enough capacity already for people who live there and people who want to visit there.

Problem is air travel needs to be a hub and spoke model. The point of a hub is that there's ONE hub where everyone goes to get their long-haul flights. Two smaller hubs doesn't make as much sense.

Problem is air travel needs to be a hub and spoke model. The point of a hub is that there’s ONE hub where everyone goes to get their long-haul flights. Two smaller hubs doesn’t make as much sense.

Only to an extent, some routes might only be viable with people catching connecting flights added on, eg emirates makes their business model work by flying everyone in Europe to Dubai, then everyone in Dubai to Oceania / Asia. There aren't enough people in Dubai to bother running flights just for the local market to the rest of the world.

Heathrow's justification for expansion was that businesses needed more flights. But arguably the connecting flights through hub airports are of little or no economic value to anyone other than the airport.

Good.

London and the SE doesn’t need another runway, they have enough capacity already for people who live there and people who want to visit there.

Heathrow wanted to suck more traffic from regional airports making the already horrifically bad for the environment business of flying worse by making more people travel from all over the country to them.

Damn tootin'

Pjay for pres

Problem is air travel needs to be a hub and spoke model. The point of a hub is that there’s ONE hub where everyone goes to get their long-haul flights. Two smaller hubs doesn’t make as much sense.

Isn't the industry heading towards point to point? That's the primary reason A380 manufacture is being wound down in favour of mid-sized jets (A350, 787 etc) that give airlines more flex.

Problem is air travel needs to be a hub and spoke model.. .

Nonsense. Outdated nonsense. Look at the white elephant that is the airbus a380. They built that based on the same outdated idea. They can't shift them because decent airlines have realised that people want to fly direct

... and mid-sized jets can now fly distances once the preserve of just the big boys.

Problem is air travel needs to be a hub and spoke model

So I should fly from Birmingham to Heathrow to be able to fly from Heathrow to anywhere else?

Arguably you should just not fly at all is sort of the point of the judgement.

Nonsense. Outdated nonsense.

So you're saying they should run flights to New York from London AND from Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Leeds, Exeter...? Sounds efficient.

Heathrow wanted to suck more traffic from regional airports

Most regional airport traffic is going TO Heathrow anyway isn't it?

So you’re saying they should run flights to New York from London AND from Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Leeds, Exeter…? Sounds efficient.

to be fair, new york is a bad exmaple there. There's something like 30 flights a day lon-nyc, you could spread them out a bit without any impacts

Most regional airport traffic is going TO Heathrow anyway isn’t it?

Erm. Not sure what to say to this.

Er, no. It's not.

So I should fly from Birmingham to Heathrow to be able to fly from Heathrow to anywhere else?

No, just jump on HS2.

It'll be the same timescale by the time both get built but the whole point of HS2 was to tap into the potential of airports like Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds-Bradford and Liverpool (that one via NPR).

Not really much different to the Ryanair model of flying you to an out of the way airport "near" Barcelona and then getting high speed rail the rest of the way.

Not really much different to the Ryanair model of flying you to an out of the way airport “near” Barcelona

So which airport 200 miles from Barcelona does RA fly to and claim it to be Barcelona?

So you’re saying they should run flights to New York from London AND from Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Leeds, Exeter…? Sounds efficient.

All rather depends on emissions per passenger mile, and the mid size jets are now way ahead of the jumbos, IIRC.

So yes, that's exactly what we're saying.

And yes, it's more efficient.